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#2911 Smashian Kassian

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Posted 26 January 2013 - 09:53 PM

Just thought I would re-post this, this was pre-draft, just after the combine.

9.Jordan Schroeder – Prior Lake, MN – 5’9″ – 180 lbs – WCHA – Minnesota – RW

One-Timer: Although most will dwell on his size, Schroeder more than makes up for this deficiency with his outstanding hockey sense and intelligence, poise, pucks skills and blazing speed. He is the ultimate team player, has excellent creativity and is not intimidated by the physical play despite his size. Actually, as noted below in scouting combine notes, he is very stocky and has a rock solid core. He is described as more of a playmaker, but the shot he exhibited at the WJC was just as lethal as his passing.

NHL Player(s) Comparison: Paul Kariya, Pierre-Marc Bouchard,Zach Parise

Bio/Interview Links: http://www.westernco...ordan-schroeder

Scouting Combine Performance:

  • Sorokin stated Schroeder “Looked about 5’7 to me…Is that a problem? Somehow I don’t think it will be, and you gotta see the guy’s body to understand why. It’s his build – which is stocky and very muscular. Also looks like a kid with a really good attitude, which should help him succeed at the next level.”
  • Gare Joyce noted that in the bench press and for push-ups, “U of Minnesota’s Jordan Schroeder also posted big numbers even though he’s short and pretty slight.” Gare also stated that with respect to the interview process, was among “those who might have talked themselves into disrepute.”
  • TSN staff reported “Jordan Schroeder, a top prospect at #5, did his wingate test and vomited once it was complete. He also completed 17 bench presses at 150 pounds, one of the best showings we’ve seen through two groups so far. Schroeder, who measured in at 5’8, seemed to enjoy the Combine experience. In one of his meetings with a GM, the 18-year-old said he was asked who he would most like to go out to dinner with - Barack Obama, Maria Sharapova orSean Avery. “I would have liked to have picked Sharapova but I went with Avery,” Schroeder said with a smile. {I think he should’ve went with Sharapova, as well, or even Obama, but he didn’t really say Avery, did he?!?}.
International Tournaments: At the WJC-U20s, Schroeder registered 11 points in 6 games, but some critics said he disappeared once Team USA faced tougher competition. I, for one, was impressed with the skill set he displayed.

ETA = 1 to 3 years

Risk-Reward Analysis: Risk = 1.5/5 Reward = 5/5

NHL Potential: 1st line scoring winger

Fantasy Hockey Potential: Offensive = 9/10 Defensive = 7/10

Other Rankings:
  • ISS: 14
  • CSB: 5-NA
  • TSN: 12
  • THN: 9


As you can see alot of hype surrounded him.

I agree with the one-timer section, 1st line scoring winger seems high now. But I agree with how they broke down the rest of it.

Perhaps I'm being too optimistic but I could see 60+ point from him, I think he will continue to get better as his career goes along, and I don't expect to see his best production until 25-27 myself.

When you look at comparable players (IMO) Like Cammalleri and Briere.

Cammalleri was drafted in 2001 (2nd Round/49th) and was in and out of the NHL until after the lockout when he put up 55 Points and just got better from then on.

Briere was a bit of a late bloomer, he was drafted in 96 (1st Round/24th) but didn't do anything impressive in the NHL until the 01-02 season in which he exploded for 60 Points.

I know it seems far fetched cause Schroeder has been on the backburner it seems since we got him (and had high projections like Parise, Kane, exc.) But I could seem him in the mold of these 2 eventually myself.

Edited by Smashian Kassian, 26 January 2013 - 09:55 PM.

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Posted 27 January 2013 - 12:09 AM

Do you guys think Schroeder will stick once Kes, or even Booth come back? Assuming Kassian continues to play well with the twins, there's going to be a logjam of wingers, and Raymond has actually been playing well lately, if he keeps it up it will be hard to scratch him. If Kass and Schroeder stay up, maybe lines like this?

Sedin - Sedin - Kassian
Booth - Kesler - Burrows
Raymond - Schroeder - Hansen
Higgins - Malhotra - Lapierre

Higgins was originally brought in the play on the fourth line wasnt he? cant be too bad of a fit, better than Raymond would. Really don't want to see Patti or Weise come out though, they add a lot of toughness. If Raymond starts to play crappy again maybe start scratching him again, move up Higgins and toss in Volpatti or Weise.
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Posted 27 January 2013 - 12:21 AM

Do you guys think Schroeder will stick once Kes, or even Booth come back? Assuming Kassian continues to play well with the twins, there's going to be a logjam of wingers, and Raymond has actually been playing well lately, if he keeps it up it will be hard to scratch him. If Kass and Schroeder stay up, maybe lines like this?

Sedin - Sedin - Kassian
Booth - Kesler - Burrows
Raymond - Schroeder - Hansen
Higgins - Malhotra - Lapierre

Higgins was originally brought in the play on the fourth line wasnt he? cant be too bad of a fit, better than Raymond would. Really don't want to see Patti or Weise come out though, they add a lot of toughness. If Raymond starts to play crappy again maybe start scratching him again, move up Higgins and toss in Volpatti or Weise.


I like it. In all honesty Higgins has been crap this season, I'm hoping he picks it up. He's been great on the PK but that's about all. I'm a huge Schroeder supporter and I hope he keeps it up. I think at worse, when Kesler and Booth come back, Schroeder forces Ebbett out of a spot, becoming the 13th forward.
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Posted 27 January 2013 - 12:36 AM

Do you guys think Schroeder will stick once Kes, or even Booth come back? Assuming Kassian continues to play well with the twins, there's going to be a logjam of wingers, and Raymond has actually been playing well lately, if he keeps it up it will be hard to scratch him. If Kass and Schroeder stay up, maybe lines like this?

Sedin - Sedin - Kassian
Booth - Kesler - Burrows
Raymond - Schroeder - Hansen
Higgins - Malhotra - Lapierre

Higgins was originally brought in the play on the fourth line wasnt he? cant be too bad of a fit, better than Raymond would. Really don't want to see Patti or Weise come out though, they add a lot of toughness. If Raymond starts to play crappy again maybe start scratching him again, move up Higgins and toss in Volpatti or Weise.


My exact thoughts on how the lines should be.

The Raymond - Schroeder combo has just been too good to separate IMO. Hansen adds more grit too the line, and they all have blazing speed.
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Posted 27 January 2013 - 06:00 AM

I like Schroeder. I like his work ethic. I like that he's paid his dues, and doesn't come across as entitled.
I liked that he's made efforts to round out his two way game.

Whether or not he's in the long-term plans remain to be seen.
He's got skill. He's got speed. I think ultimately he'll have to produce to to stay longer with us.

But I'm glad he's getting his shot now. He's earned it.
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Posted 27 January 2013 - 07:37 AM

The coaching staff needs to figure out why Schroeder seems to have trouble converting to wing, except when he was playing alongside Hodgson.

We all know that Cody Hodgson has elite playmaking abilities, was probably only behind Daniel and Henrik when he was here. So was the problem with JS is that there's no longer and equally/greater talented centre to set him up?
Maybe playing on Kesler's wing might be a good thing as Kesler has proven to be a decent playmaker in the past.
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Posted 27 January 2013 - 08:42 AM

The coaching staff needs to figure out why Schroeder seems to have trouble converting to wing, except when he was playing alongside Hodgson.

We all know that Cody Hodgson has elite playmaking abilities, was probably only behind Daniel and Henrik when he was here. So was the problem with JS is that there's no longer and equally/greater talented centre to set him up?
Maybe playing on Kesler's wing might be a good thing as Kesler has proven to be a decent playmaker in the past.

or maybe it would be a bad thing because he never passea
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Posted 27 January 2013 - 09:50 AM

Personally, I think Schroeder has a laser of a shot and I'd like to see him use it much more. I am aware he has great hockey sense and vision and creates opportunities for his linemates, but I'd sure like to see him use that shot of his more often. It's a true sniper shot. He'd bag more than a few if he'd use it. Yes, he IS a great setup guy but he's also a great scorer with a wicked shot. USE IT JORDAN!
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Posted 27 January 2013 - 03:25 PM

The coaching staff needs to figure out why Schroeder seems to have trouble converting to wing, except when he was playing alongside Hodgson.

We all know that Cody Hodgson has elite playmaking abilities, was probably only behind Daniel and Henrik when he was here. So was the problem with JS is that there's no longer and equally/greater talented centre to set him up?
Maybe playing on Kesler's wing might be a good thing as Kesler has proven to be a decent playmaker in the past.


when cody got hurt jordan's centre was some ahl plug and i cant even remember his name. hard for a small winger to contribute if his centre cant get him the puck or finish plays off.

edit: they were also making him be F1 on the forecheck which is ridiculous, if you watch pat kane he is almost never in the corners as the first guy on the puck, he swoops in and steals the puck with quick hands and makes a play.

Have to put players in a situation where they can succeed and in my opinion when they put jordan on the wing he had little to no chance.

Edited by stexx, 27 January 2013 - 03:27 PM.

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Posted 27 January 2013 - 09:13 PM

i thought jordan had his best offensive game today, made some nice plays, struggled on the faceoffs today vs a great veteran centre group from san jose.
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Posted 28 January 2013 - 10:22 AM

He is coming along just fine. Sees the ice well.
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Posted 28 January 2013 - 11:45 AM

i thought jordan had his best offensive game today, made some nice plays, struggled on the faceoffs today vs a great veteran centre group from san jose.


Yeah, he was outmatched in faceoffs, but the team didn't suffer for it (was not scored against).

Schroeder has played well, and played smart. Great passes, no giveaways, hasn't been on the ice for a goal against. I've been surprised at how well he has played defensively - positionally sound, has a takeaway, and has even thrown a couple decent hits!

Other than that RIDICULOUS penalty he took in his first game, he's been as good as anyone could (or at least, should) have hoped for.

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Posted 29 January 2013 - 08:24 AM

Got state it somewhere.

I am not a believer in Jordan.


Would love to be wrong but I just don't see him doing well in the big show.



Thus far he is quelling my concerns


Good job Jordan :)
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Posted 29 January 2013 - 10:23 AM

Another solid game for Schroeder last night. Went 64% in draws, and is now up to 50% on the season.

If he keeps playing like this, I'd be all for going with a Higgins-Schroeder-Hansen 3rd line when Kesler is back. Kesler's line would be getting most of the tough defensive assignments, and the 4th line would be getting the tough draws, leaving the 3rd line to focus more on offense.

Not having a 3rd line that can put the puck in the net has cost us in playoffs past, whereas 3rd liners (the Bollands and Marchands) have at the same time destroyed us. It would be nice to go forward with a system that corrects this.
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Posted 29 January 2013 - 01:45 PM

i am so impressed by his faceoff ability and defensive play, the canucks could be pretty darn deep when kes/booth come back. I hate how they are using him on the 2nd PP unit, i think its a horrible scheme and hope they change it once they get some PP practice time.
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Posted 29 January 2013 - 05:17 PM

Seems like Marc Savard or Brendan Morrison (in his prime)

He is a bit different from Savard in that he is a better skater and has a better shot, also strong on the puck.

I think he will be at his best if we can put a good sniper/finisher along side him as he looks to pass alot, Weise has been on the receiving end of some quality opportunities but hasn't been able to finish which is why I want Burrows there.

But I could see him at his best with a good finisher like Morrison and Savard both had (Kessel and Naslund)

Maybe Schroeder & Nick Jensen would be a good combo for us. Schroeder feeds Nick finishes.
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Posted 29 January 2013 - 05:23 PM

Seems like Marc Savard or Brendan Morrison (in his prime)

He is a bit different from Savard in that he is a better skater and has a better shot, also strong on the puck.

I think he will be at his best if we can put a good sniper/finisher along side him as he looks to pass alot, Weise has been on the receiving end of some quality opportunities but hasn't been able to finish which is why I want Burrows there.

But I could see him at his best with a good finisher like Morrison and Savard both had (Kessel and Naslund)

Maybe Schroeder & Nick Jensen would be a good combo for us. Schroeder feeds Nick finishes.


Jensen - Schroeder - Kassian gaining even more potential to become a poor man's WCE or even WCE 2.0 for the future.

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Posted 29 January 2013 - 05:29 PM

Jensen - Schroeder - Kassian gaining even more potential to become a poor man's WCE or even WCE 2.0 for the future.


I actually agree, with Schroeder showing he is more developed than anyone thought to match where Zack and Jensen are, that line could bring alot of the same qualities.
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Posted 29 January 2013 - 06:17 PM

I would like to see him get more shots off thought. He should have atleast 3 shots on goal game.
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Posted 30 January 2013 - 08:41 AM

Seems like Marc Savard or Brendan Morrison (in his prime)


LOL.

C'mon man. Brendan Morrison is one thing, but Marc Savard in his prime was a top-10 scorer in this league. You ruin all credibility and subject yourself to Homer-status with statements like that.

You're better than that!
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Posted 30 January 2013 - 08:42 AM

if he turns out like pat kane or zach parise then we got a crazy steal


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Posted 30 January 2013 - 12:04 PM

LOL.

C'mon man. Brendan Morrison is one thing, but Marc Savard in his prime was a top-10 scorer in this league. You ruin all credibility and subject yourself to Homer-status with statements like that.

You're better than that!


i think his playstyle is like savard, doesnt mean he is going to score 80+points like savard, but he plays a similar game which is why comparisons are made.

When people say "he looks like lidstrom" doesnt mean that player is a top3 all time defenseman and going to be one of the best all time. Just means he plays a similar sort of game but probably not up to that level.
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Posted 30 January 2013 - 04:19 PM

LOL.

C'mon man. Brendan Morrison is one thing, but Marc Savard in his prime was a top-10 scorer in this league. You ruin all credibility and subject yourself to Homer-status with statements like that.

You're better than that!


How so? If Schroeder received any of the hype Hodgson did, I guarantee people would still be holding on hopes that he could still be a 1st liner like he was once projected to be.

Again the Savard comparison was playing style, do I expect him to score 80 Points? No not anymore, do I think he can he play a similar style to Savard with a bit more of a defensive minded style, and hit 50-60 points? Yeah I think he can.

He has been put on the backburner for so long with all the hype on Cody and Schneider, but really he is a pretty good prospect in his own right.
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Posted 30 January 2013 - 04:34 PM

Again the Savard comparison was playing style, do I expect him to score 80 Points? No not anymore, do I think he can he play a similar style to Savard with a bit more of a defensive minded style, and hit 50-60 points? Yeah I think he can.


Then your Brendan Morrison comparison was fine. Or you could throw out Ribeiro, Derek Roy, etc...so many others whose level of play is at least remotely achievable for Jordan. No need to exaggerate beyond that.
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Posted 30 January 2013 - 04:54 PM

Then your Brendan Morrison comparison was fine. Or you could throw out Ribeiro, Derek Roy, etc...so many others whose level of play is at least remotely achievable for Jordan. No need to exaggerate beyond that.


I simply threw out Savard because I believe his offensive style is much more comparable to Marc than Brendan. If he was given a top sniper like Savard was with Heatley, Kovalchuk, Kessel, exc. He could pattern after the way they did.

No need to take my comment further than that though, although I will say, Schroeder will surprised some people in the coming years IMO.
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Posted 30 January 2013 - 11:27 PM

I simply threw out Savard because I believe his offensive style is much more comparable to Marc than Brendan. If he was given a top sniper like Savard was with Heatley, Kovalchuk, Kessel, exc. He could pattern after the way they did.

No need to take my comment further than that though, although I will say, Schroeder will surprised some people in the coming years IMO.


He does look a lot like Savard when he's skating on the ice, doesn't he? People take these things too far. You say a player reminds you of a better player and people jump on you. I know what you mean, though. I do see a lot of Savard in Schroeder in the way he skates, and basically just in his stature and playing style.

Does he ever become as good as Savard? Probably not, but who the hell knows? It's not out of the question though. The thing is, for any player to get that good he needs the ice time and the prime responsibilities. For Schroeder to develop into a top line playmaker centre he'd pretty much need to be given that role to run with and with good linemates.

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Posted 31 January 2013 - 12:12 AM

Comparison talk is getting old.

The only forwards with more ice time tonight were the Sedins and kassian. Says something... And heyo for everyone who bashed vigneault not playing young guns.
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Posted 31 January 2013 - 12:46 AM

I remember when people were comparing Coho to Joe Sakic and Stevie Y. Now I hear Jordon being compared to Kane, Savard and Parise. Why do fans have to hype these these guys before they even get a season under their belt? Schroeder has been a great surprise so far and I am hoping he can stay with the team. Let's just sit back and enjoy watching him develop into a solid NHL player.
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Posted 31 January 2013 - 01:28 AM

He does look a lot like Savard when he's skating on the ice, doesn't he? People take these things too far. You say a player reminds you of a better player and people jump on you. I know what you mean, though. I do see a lot of Savard in Schroeder in the way he skates, and basically just in his stature and playing style.

Does he ever become as good as Savard? Probably not, but who the hell knows? It's not out of the question though. The thing is, for any player to get that good he needs the ice time and the prime responsibilities. For Schroeder to develop into a top line playmaker centre he'd pretty much need to be given that role to run with and with good linemates.


I agree with this, his upside doesn't seem to be what it once was but in some respects it is really unkown, atleast from our perspective we haven't had a rookie step in right away and look as impressive in his first in the league in awhile.

His potential might not be as sky high as some thought but who knows, like you I agree it's unlikely but being the optimist I am around this guy I wouldn't completely rule out him become a really good player.

Also I think he is a bit better defensively and a better skater than Savard, does he have quite the offensive ability? maybe not. Although I don't think many expected Savard to be an 80-90+ point player until he was put with elite snipers like Kovalchuk, Heatley and Kessel.

Maybe Schroeder won't hit 80-90+, he probably won't but with an elite sniper like Morrison and Savard had I could see him being a real good player for us.

Anyways I'll try to leave comparisons aside for now as it is still early, he was pretty impressive tonight aswell, he has this unbelievable ability to make passes that I don't even see, he can identify and open man without much of a look and make a perfect pass, crisp and tape to tape, it's get me excited to see what he will be like mid-way through the year and next season.

I remember when people were comparing Coho to Joe Sakic and Stevie Y. Now I hear Jordon being compared to Kane, Savard and Parise. Why do fans have to hype these these guys before they even get a season under their belt? Schroeder has been a great surprise so far and I am hoping he can stay with the team. Let's just sit back and enjoy watching him develop into a solid NHL player.


No one is making Parise and Kane comparison's, Savard and Morrison yes.

And for those who had followed the Wolves and him closely, I don't think it is quite as big a surprise, I'm not really all that surprised at all, I was confident he would step in and impress like this.

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Posted 31 January 2013 - 01:51 AM

I agree with this, his upside doesn't seem to be what it once was but in some respects it is really unkown, atleast from our perspective we haven't had a rookie step in right away and look as impressive in his first in the league in awhile.

His potential might not be as sky high as some thought but who knows, like you I agree it's unlikely but being the optimist I am around this guy I wouldn't completely rule out him become a really good player.

Also I think he is a bit better defensively and a better skater than Savard, does he have quite the offensive ability? maybe not. Although I don't think many expected Savard to be an 80-90+ point player until he was put with elite snipers like Kovalchuk, Heatley and Kessel.

Maybe Schroeder won't hit 80-90+, he probably won't but with an elite sniper like Morrison and Savard had I could see him being a real good player for us.

Anyways I'll try to leave comparisons aside for now as it is still early, he was pretty impressive tonight aswell, he has this unbelievable ability to make passes that I don't even see, he can identify and open man without much of a look and make a perfect pass, crisp and tape to tape, it's get me excited to see what he will be like mid-way through the year and next season.



No one is making Parise and Kane comparison's, Savard and Morrison yes.

And for those who had followed the Wolves and him closely, I don't think it is quite as big a surprise, I'm not really all that surprised at all, I was confident he would step in and impress like this.


"I know it seems far fetched cause Schroeder has been on the backburner it seems since we got him (and had high projections like Parise, Kane, exc.) But I could seem him in the mold of these 2 eventually myself."
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