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Posted 22 February 2010 - 05:36 PM

i don't recall him being burned on the outside by anyone in any of the games I've watched, and he tends to join the rush like Ehrhoff. I never really paid attention to his speed, but I know he's thrown some thunderous hits, and can handle himself in the fisticuffs as well. Next time I watch I'll try to pay attention to his speed.


Thanks man. Check his first few strides, see if he gets good separation. Nonetheless, even if his speed isn't all-wordly, his numbers are quite impressive and I've youtubed some of his fights. Nice to have some grit alony with the finesse.
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Posted 24 February 2010 - 08:35 AM

no points last night, but he was +1. I didn't get a chance to watch the game (nor will I have a chance tonight). I'm sure you guys can probably figure out why.
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Posted 24 February 2010 - 07:33 PM

Connauton with 1 assist and an even rating going into the 3rd period.
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Posted 24 February 2010 - 08:21 PM

he finished with 1 assist and was +1
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Posted 24 February 2010 - 08:27 PM

good job K-Con keep on rolling what is he a +7 now?
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Posted 24 February 2010 - 08:42 PM

Slowly creeping up on tha money...

Here comes Conn-vict! :P I kid.
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Posted 24 February 2010 - 08:44 PM

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Posted 24 February 2010 - 10:26 PM

Here we go again... Does no one read? I've explained my reasoning several times in this thread as well as listed my top5 prospects.

1st know I'm a big fan of the pick, I think Gillis made a cagey decision to take a kid who needs a TON of work but does have more talent and ability than hes gotten credit for playing at a very bad program.

That said people need to temper their enthusiasm over him for several reasons.

1. He is no where NEAR NHL ready, he to get stronger before he will be able to deal with big NHL forwards down low and in front of the net. He still has boy strength.

2. His defensive game tho very improved is still sub par even by WHL standards, he gets minutes strictly because of his offensive talents. Hes a well below average defender who makes poor reads and losses alot of puck battles. His poke check ability and ability to keep players to the outside and control angles is a work in progress at best.

3. As impressive as his offensive stats are for a WHL rookie they are very misleading. He's a 19yr old who is taking a BIG step DOWN in competition and is a young man playing with alot of boys and still struggles at times. He racks up ALOT of PP pts which isnt a negative but its misleading in that he is not a complete offensive Dman. Hes a PP specialist who is learning the rest of the game and everything but his PP game needs work even to accell at the WHL level. Big offensive numbers dont always translate to other leagues..

Cam Plante - 140pts Mike Green - 66pts

Who's Cam Plante you ask? Exactly my point, not 1 NHL game after setting and still holding the all time scoring record by WHL Dmen.

Lastly in comparing him with other compareables and how to project him, remember he is the same age as Yann Sauve. He went undrafted by 30 NHL teams for 9 rds before the Nucks selected him 2 rds earlier than where he was slated to go.

Im not saying hes Cam Plante, but at this point hes much closer to the stature of Cam Plante than he is Mike Green. Keep a clear mind when accessing Connauton's play and his future as an NHL player. He has a chance to be a gem of a pick, but he has atleast an equal chance to never put on a Nucks uni at this point.
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Posted 24 February 2010 - 10:31 PM

I'm sorry, did you call the Giants a bad program? Or Western Michigan?
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Posted 24 February 2010 - 10:34 PM

Also, Cam Plante's stats are misleading because he played with Ray Freaking Ferraro, Plante only had 20 something goals, same as Kevin has now, and basically just got the puck to Ray who took it the rest of the way and past the goalline

It's not like the guy was a 60/60 player, he was a 22/118
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Posted 24 February 2010 - 10:35 PM

Connauton has the giants record for most goals by a defenseman in a season. he's a powerplay kind of guy, he stood out when i watched a couple giants game this year.
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Posted 24 February 2010 - 10:48 PM

+1 tonight in a 4-3 Giants win in Regina vs. Pats.
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Posted 24 February 2010 - 10:54 PM

3. As impressive as his offensive stats are for a WHL rookie they are very misleading. He's a 19yr old who is taking a BIG step DOWN in competition and is a young man playing with alot of boys and still struggles at times. He racks up ALOT of PP pts which isnt a negative but its misleading in that he is not a complete offensive Dman. Hes a PP specialist who is learning the rest of the game and everything but his PP game needs work even to accell at the WHL level. Big offensive numbers dont always translate to other leagues..


I think you need to actually watch some NCAA games and talk to people who have played NCAA then come to the WHL. They all say the speed of the game is the same but the WHL is FAR more physical as well as the season is FAR more of a grind.

You know there is a reason why the WHL sends the most players on to NHL careers compared to any other league right? So to call the WHL a step down in competition is baseless.
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Posted 24 February 2010 - 11:48 PM

Haven't been on here for so long. But it's great to hear Kevin's progress with the Giants this season. I would love to see this guy in a Moose uni so I can get an up close and in person look on what this kid is really made of :)


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Posted 25 February 2010 - 02:05 AM

Wow...just popping back into the thread but Kevin is a +7 or 8 now??! Didn't he start out minus 8 or more? Hay is a bloody master...this is excellent news. :)
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Posted 25 February 2010 - 03:07 AM

Wow...just popping back into the thread but Kevin is a +7 or 8 now??! Didn't he start out minus 8 or more? Hay is a bloody master...this is excellent news. :)


He's probably not quite there yet, but the fact that he's improving steadily is definitely encouraging.
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Posted 25 February 2010 - 08:12 AM

Wow...just popping back into the thread but Kevin is a +7 or 8 now??! Didn't he start out minus 8 or more? Hay is a bloody master...this is excellent news. :)

he was -9 on nov 27th, he is now +7, He's been +16 in just under 3 months, that's a hell of a increase, especially since he scores the majority of his points on the PP (as does the rest of the team).
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Posted 26 February 2010 - 11:18 PM

Ever since his plus/minus increased, his points production somehow dropped. But hey, if he becomes a Duncan Keith type of player, I'm all for it.
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Posted 26 February 2010 - 11:46 PM

Ever since his plus/minus increased, his points production somehow dropped. But hey, if he becomes a Duncan Keith type of player, I'm all for it.


What do you mean somehow?

He's been concentrating on improving his defensive game, when a player does that and tries to improve it his offensive game will suffer. He needs to find a balance between playing solid defensive hockey while still contributing.

And to the guy who quoted me and talked about the WHL not being a step down... Seriously?

How many players eventually make the jump has nothing to do with it, Sidney Crosby and 16 wouldnt be 1/2 the player that say Ryan Stoa was last year in the NCAA. Kevin is going from dealing with big nearly NHL ready players like Stoa and other far more developed players to playing against 16 to 19yr olds. Its a very big skill difference, sure the WHL has more NHL quality players but they are FAR less developed than players who are in the NCAA.
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Posted 28 February 2010 - 11:28 AM

Kevin Connauton is tied for the lead for Defensemen in the entire CHL with 64 points!

http://www.chl.ca/fo...e=d&stat=points
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Posted 28 February 2010 - 12:19 PM

now THAT is hella impressive. Especially in the WHL.
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Posted 28 February 2010 - 05:20 PM

What do you mean somehow?

He's been concentrating on improving his defensive game, when a player does that and tries to improve it his offensive game will suffer. He needs to find a balance between playing solid defensive hockey while still contributing.

And to the guy who quoted me and talked about the WHL not being a step down... Seriously?

How many players eventually make the jump has nothing to do with it, Sidney Crosby and 16 wouldnt be 1/2 the player that say Ryan Stoa was last year in the NCAA. Kevin is going from dealing with big nearly NHL ready players like Stoa and other far more developed players to playing against 16 to 19yr olds. Its a very big skill difference, sure the WHL has more NHL quality players but they are FAR less developed than players who are in the NCAA.




Hey Lamb Cops, there are also 20 year old players in the WHL.
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Posted 28 February 2010 - 05:33 PM

Hey Lamb Cops, there are also 20 year old players in the WHL.

and a number of them are very well developed. if anything the WHL is slightly harder with the increase in the # of games and the increase in physicality (not to mention fighting, which kevin has shown he can handle)
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Posted 01 March 2010 - 04:23 PM

And the NCAA has 24yr old men and the likes Ryan Stoa last year. There's a big difference in level of competition. Jordan Schroeder would be putting up well over a PPG in the WHL well without Stoa he has struggled to put up a PPG.

Sure there's more NHL talent in the WHL like i said, but Crosby at 17 is a much different player than he is now. Obviously is not that massive of a drop, but playing against men is much different than playing against boys even if the potential is greater.

The WHL is much tougher no doubt, but the level of competition is lower, im not saying its not a hard grind or that its not a tough league. But Connauton's a perfect example, look at his numbers from last year compared to this year. That isnt 1 season of development, thats a clear sign of drop in competition. He has shined no doubt, but he wouldnt be doing this in college.

Basically what you guys are saying is that Connauton is a better offensive player than Schroeder. He has struggled to get close to a PPG while Connauton puts up over a PPG. Yet Schroeder is a much much better prospect, its all caliber of competition guys. Peter Andersson's season in Sweden is just as impressive as Connautons but no one takes notice because the numbers arent there, but thats because hes playing in a mens league.

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Posted 01 March 2010 - 08:15 PM

And the NCAA has 24yr old men and the likes Ryan Stoa last year. There's a big difference in level of competition. Jordan Schroeder would be putting up well over a PPG in the WHL well without Stoa he has struggled to put up a PPG.

Sure there's more NHL talent in the WHL like i said, but Crosby at 17 is a much different player than he is now. Obviously is not that massive of a drop, but playing against men is much different than playing against boys even if the potential is greater.

The WHL is much tougher no doubt, but the level of competition is lower, im not saying its not a hard grind or that its not a tough league. But Connauton's a perfect example, look at his numbers from last year compared to this year. That isnt 1 season of development, thats a clear sign of drop in competition. He has shined no doubt, but he wouldnt be doing this in college.

Basically what you guys are saying is that Connauton is a better offensive player than Schroeder. He has struggled to get close to a PPG while Connauton puts up over a PPG. Yet Schroeder is a much much better prospect, its all caliber of competition guys. Peter Andersson's season in Sweden is just as impressive as Connautons but no one takes notice because the numbers arent there, but thats because hes playing in a mens league.




1) Schroeder is struggling without Stoa because of leadership which Stoa provided.
2) Connauton is a better D-man than Schroeder, and Schroeder is a better forward, you can not compare the 2.
3) Try comparing Hodgson to Schroeder and you tell me who is better.
4) Andersson is playing in a league equal to the AHL because of his size for a D-man.
5) Do I think Andersson would have as good a point production as Connauton, NO. Anderson is a more Defensive D-man.

again please compare apples to apples and not oranges to apples.
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Posted 01 March 2010 - 08:31 PM

1) Schroeder is struggling without Stoa because of leadership which Stoa provided.
2) Connauton is a better D-man than Schroeder, and Schroeder is a better forward, you can not compare the 2.
3) Try comparing Hodgson to Schroeder and you tell me who is better.
4) Andersson is playing in a league equal to the AHL because of his size for a D-man.
5) Do I think Andersson would have as good a point production as Connauton, NO. Anderson is a more Defensive D-man.

again please compare apples to apples and not oranges to apples.



I believe he was comparing Connauton's offensive abilities to that of Schroeder's, which was in response to people considering KC's great offensive season to be comparable to Schroeder putting up PPG numbers in Universty. It's the classic response to stats. Level of competition always needs to be considered. Looking back do you think Phoenix would still choose Kyle Turris 3rd overall in 2007 after putting up such huge numbers in the BCHL?

As for Andersson, he's playing in the SEL as an 18/19 year old because of his skill set and composure, not due to his size. His size certainly makes him a more attractive prospect but would never alone garner him a spot in a very competitive professional mens league.

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Posted 01 March 2010 - 11:25 PM

I believe he was comparing Connauton's offensive abilities to that of Schroeder's, which was in response to people considering KC's great offensive season to be comparable to Schroeder putting up PPG numbers in Universty. It's the classic response to stats. Level of competition always needs to be considered. Looking back do you think Phoenix would still choose Kyle Turris 3rd overall in 2007 after putting up such huge numbers in the BCHL?

As for Andersson, he's playing in the SEL as an 18/19 year old because of his skill set and composure, not due to his size. His size certainly makes him a more attractive prospect but would never alone garner him a spot in a very competitive professional mens league.



In answer to you, first of all, I never compared Schroeder to Connauton, this would help if you read back a few pages. As for Kyle Turris, I am quite sure Phoenix had scouted him before drafting, but as always some turn out for the better and some don't we can always revisited the Canucks drafting if you like. Which is better the KHL or the SEL? Here is what I am saying, the SEL is no better than the AHL and Kevin would do very well in the AHL, I would go as far as saying on a point system Connauton is 7.5 and Andersson is 6.5, this is out of 10.
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Posted 01 March 2010 - 11:36 PM

In answer to you, first of all, I never compared Schroeder to Connauton, this would help if you read back a few pages. As for Kyle Turris, I am quite sure Phoenix had scouted him before drafting, but as always some turn out for the better and some don't we can always revisited the Canucks drafting if you like. Which is better the KHL or the SEL? Here is what I am saying, the SEL is no better than the AHL and Kevin would do very well in the AHL, I would go as far as saying on a point system Connauton is 7.5 and Andersson is 6.5, this is out of 10.


Connauton would do very well in the AHL? Are you serious? Cuz if so then all your posts just lost any shred of credibility they ever had.

Are you aware he was eligible to play in the AHL this year? And the Nucks chose him to move to the WHL because he needs ALOT of work, they could have even sent him to the ECHL if they thought he was ready to play with men. Ill bet you $100 right now Connauton is either with the Giants or the Salmon Kings to start next year. Hes not ready for the AHL nevermind thrive in the AHL.

Its sad really, hes a great kid and has some solid upside. But the CDC builds him into something isnt, nor is he expected to be. Hes a late rd pick who has a long ways to go before he will ever make a real impact in the pro game if ever. People really need to take the homer goggles off and look at things logically.

The only point i was trying to convey with the Connauton/Schroeder comment was this:

If the WHL really is on par with the NCAA in terms of competition then how does a kid who went through an entire draft plus 2 rds before getting picked, and who did even put up a PPG last season in the NCAA and is now over a PPG in the WHL, out produce a 1st rd pick who was over a PPG in the NCAA and set the all time scoring record for American born players at the WJC.

If those leagues really are on par then either Connauton is the second coming of Paul Coffey, or Jordan Schroeder is going to be the biggest bust this team has ever seen. Really guys, wake up and smell the roses.
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Posted 01 March 2010 - 11:48 PM

If Connauton was eligible to play for the moose this year..then next year he can't play for the Giants..
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Posted 02 March 2010 - 12:24 AM

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The only point i was trying to convey with the Connauton/Schroeder comment was this:

If the WHL really is on par with the NCAA in terms of competition then how does a kid who went through an entire draft plus 2 rds before getting picked, and who did even put up a PPG last season in the NCAA and is now over a PPG in the WHL, out produce a 1st rd pick who was over a PPG in the NCAA and set the all time scoring record for American born players at the WJC.


Actually, Connauton wasn't a point-per-game player in the NCAA last season. Not even half. He was just under 0.5 PPG, which is actually not bad for a D-man in his first year of college hockey.

How did this thread turn into a debate of whether juniors or college hockey is better?! Posted Image Even if everyone here on this board agrees that college is the better option, he was in a really bad program last year at WMU. And I think if he wanted to transfer to another school he'd have to sit out a year or something. Not sure why, but it doesn't make any sense unless it's a punitive measure for bailing on your school? But then that'd really screw up his development if he had to miss a year. So for K-Con, the junior-vs-college debate is kind of a moot point Posted Image. As for Schroeder, however... I mean, his program isn't quite as bad, but you have to wonder what's going on with the Golden Gophers when both the Islanders and the Canucks have expressed concern about that school.

Also, I'm sure the Canucks will make the best decision as to where he plays next year, whether it be an overage year or in the pros with the Salmon Kings or Moose (hopefully the Moose of course if it's off to the pros for him). He's played against grown men before at WMU, so it might not take too long for him to adjust to the pros. The only thing would be the grind of the long regular season which he's already learning to deal with right now. The continual rise in his +/- is also very nice to see. He hasn't been putting up as many points recently as he did before, so I guess his defensive game is really shaping up and he probably hasn't been taking as many chances as he used to, so his offensive production will drop a little. But I'm willing to accept that if it means he'll be more reliable in his own end. Those offensive instincts that he naturally has and uses so well on the PP won't really go away, I don't think.

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