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#811 Teemu Selšnne

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Posted 14 April 2010 - 08:10 AM

Connauton will be with the Moose (or Canucks) next year as he is no longer eligible to play in the WHL.


Huh? I'm pretty sure he's eligible for one more year, however, it would be stupid to have him down there, using up a year of his entry-level.
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Posted 14 April 2010 - 08:11 AM

3-5 years in the AHL. ;)
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Posted 14 April 2010 - 10:36 AM

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3-5???? you gotta be kidding.... i say 2 years at max. how can you say he needs 5 years to develop? or even 3???

how many games have you seen him play?
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Posted 14 April 2010 - 12:04 PM

2 years should do it, one year to get accustomed, and maybe a couple call ups if we have injuries like we did this year. then the second season he step up into a major role (if he wasn;t already) and gets a number of callups, potentially sticking with the team.
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Posted 14 April 2010 - 12:05 PM

2 years should do it, one year to get accustomed, and maybe a couple call ups if we have injuries like we did this year. then the second season he step up into a major role (if he wasn;t already) and gets a number of callups, potentially sticking with the team.


Yeah, that's how I see it.

Maybe a third year depending on our defensive depth.
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Posted 14 April 2010 - 04:05 PM

3-5???? you gotta be kidding.... i say 2 years at max. how can you say he needs 5 years to develop? or even 3???

how many games have you seen him play?


I agree.

Edler already started playing some games in 2007. 3 years after his draft year.

Cannauton was drafted in 09, but his natural draft year is 2008.

3 years after his draft is 2011. I think if it all works out, and he's proven he's good enough to play in the NHL, they will phase him in with some games, like did they did to Edler, because looking at Connauton's progress through the WHL, it looks like hes vastly improving the atritubutes he needs to improve. He's currently the +/- leader amongs all Defencemens for the Giants in the playoffs. It looks like he's improving his defensive game.

Won't be surprised to see him in our lineup next season, of course not as a full time player.
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Posted 14 April 2010 - 04:27 PM

3-5 years in the AHL. ;)

Ugh... no.

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Posted 14 April 2010 - 05:40 PM

I was wondering wouldn't Connauton, have been able to bypass the WHL and play in the AHL, since he already played in the NCAA? (Similar to Schroeder ) Wouldn't that have been better for his developement?
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Posted 14 April 2010 - 05:57 PM

I was wondering wouldn't Connauton, have been able to bypass the WHL and play in the AHL, since he already played in the NCAA? (Similar to Schroeder ) Wouldn't that have been better for his developement?

he could have, but the moose had a full d-corps at the beginning of the year, and he would have had less time on ice and played a limited role on the moose this season (at least that's how it appeared at the time). He probably wouldn't have developed as much as he did this year on the Giants; however, he's surpassed the talent level of the WHL in that process, so he is best suited to continue developing on the moose next season.

Edited by avelanch, 14 April 2010 - 05:58 PM.

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Posted 14 April 2010 - 10:00 PM

I'd just like to submit the following statistics; those of TJ Galiardi and Kevin Connauton.

Galiardi: http://www.hockeydb....y.php?pid=97750

Connauton: http://www.hockeydb.....php?pid=112494

The similarities are quite uncanny. Obviously stats don't really mean anything, but we can hope that KC follows the same development path that TJ did. It's not beyond the realm of possibility.
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Posted 14 April 2010 - 10:36 PM

I'd just like to submit the following statistics; those of TJ Galiardi and Kevin Connauton.

Galiardi: http://www.hockeydb....y.php?pid=97750

Connauton: http://www.hockeydb.....php?pid=112494

The similarities are quite uncanny. Obviously stats don't really mean anything, but we can hope that KC follows the same development path that TJ did. It's not beyond the realm of possibility.


Well, Connauton stats >>>>>>> Galiardi's stats. Connauton is a defencemen while Galiardi is a winger. Not even close. Also Galiardi's chances at the NHL is higher because he's on a inferior team.
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Posted 14 April 2010 - 10:40 PM

I'd just like to submit the following statistics; those of TJ Galiardi and Kevin Connauton.

Galiardi: http://www.hockeydb....y.php?pid=97750

Connauton: http://www.hockeydb.....php?pid=112494

The similarities are quite uncanny. Obviously stats don't really mean anything, but we can hope that KC follows the same development path that TJ did. It's not beyond the realm of possibility.


Are you serious? They play different positions.
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Posted 14 April 2010 - 11:03 PM

Are you serious? They play different positions.



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Posted 14 April 2010 - 11:15 PM

I'd just like to submit the following statistics; those of TJ Galiardi and Kevin Connauton.

Galiardi: http://www.hockeydb....y.php?pid=97750

Connauton: http://www.hockeydb.....php?pid=112494

The similarities are quite uncanny. Obviously stats don't really mean anything, but we can hope that KC follows the same development path that TJ did. It's not beyond the realm of possibility.


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Posted 14 April 2010 - 11:30 PM

Are you serious? They play different positions.


Yes, I realize this. What I should have emphasized was the development path. And yes Galiardi jumped to the NHL because the Avalanche were terrible last season, I know. All I was trying to say was; let's hope Kevin can take a similar route/timeline (considering he pretty much has the same route thus far.)
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Posted 15 April 2010 - 12:17 AM

I'm sure Fogducker is conscious to the fact Galiardi is a forward. But it is true there development path (and even point totals) to this point are very similar. Although as a defenseman Connauton will likely spend more time in the AHL.

Another forward/defenseman pairing with similarities is Oberg and Raymond. 2 Years in AJHL at with Camrose, started in NCAA at age 19 turning 20, played 2 years there then turned Pro. But again, as a Defenseman Oberg will likely do 2 full years in the AHL, whereas Raymond did 1/2 a season.

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Posted 15 April 2010 - 11:26 AM

I'm sure Fogducker is conscious to the fact Galiardi is a forward. But it is true there development path (and even point totals) to this point are very similar. Although as a defenseman Connauton will likely spend more time in the AHL.

Another forward/defenseman pairing with similarities is Oberg and Raymond. 2 Years in AJHL at with Camrose, started in NCAA at age 19 turning 20, played 2 years there then turned Pro. But again, as a Defenseman Oberg will likely do 2 full years in the AHL, whereas Raymond did 1/2 a season.


Not to say Connauton won't spend much time in the AHL, but Raymond and Oberg didn't have the same numbers. A defenseman's point totals mean a little more, especially in this case when a third are goals.

Anyways, I don't think making comparisons are really the way to go about things; you have to consider each player a separate case. Call me crazy, but I could live in a world where Connauton plays another season for the Giants.

Just to put it out there, if Connauton plays in the AHL and has defensive issues, he may be treated more as a PP quarterback. Connauton himself will probably focus more on his offensive abilities in order to prove himself where he knows he can have the most success. This wouldn't exactly be great for his overall development. In the WHL, he'll get tonnes of ice time in all situations and get more defensive responsibility. By the time he hits the AHL, he won't be treated as just a specialist, and will get more ice time. More ice time = more development.

We all know his offensive ability is there, but I'd rather see him become a well-rounded defenseman. I don't want to see him as a PP specialist, I think he has more potential than that.
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Posted 15 April 2010 - 11:33 AM

Not to say Connauton won't spend much time in the AHL, but Raymond and Oberg didn't have the same numbers. A defenseman's point totals mean a little more, especially in this case when a third are goals.

Anyways, I don't think making comparisons are really the way to go about things; you have to consider each player a separate case. Call me crazy, but I could live in a world where Connauton plays another season for the Giants.

Just to put it out there, if Connauton plays in the AHL and has defensive issues, he may be treated more as a PP quarterback. Connauton himself will probably focus more on his offensive abilities in order to prove himself where he knows he can have the most success. This wouldn't exactly be great for his overall development. In the WHL, he'll get tonnes of ice time in all situations and get more defensive responsibility. By the time he hits the AHL, he won't be treated as just a specialist, and will get more ice time. More ice time = more development.

We all know his offensive ability is there, but I'd rather see him become a well-rounded defenseman. I don't want to see him as a PP specialist, I think he has more potential than that.

except his development will become stagnated playing against inferior competition. there is no valid arguement to keeping him in the WHL. even if he plays half as much in the AHL, he'll still be progressing while working against future and former NHLers, instead of against children 16-20 yrs of age.
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Posted 16 April 2010 - 01:10 AM

except his development will become stagnated playing against inferior competition. there is no valid arguement to keeping him in the WHL. even if he plays half as much in the AHL, he'll still be progressing while working against future and former NHLers, instead of against children 16-20 yrs of age.


I hope so. I guess I'm just saying I would create a development path based mostly off his defensive performance, not his offensive. You know your sh*t much better than I do, so I'm not going to argue with you; if you think he's ready for the AHL on both fronts of his game, I'm happy. I just don't want to see him become one dimensional because he can't catch up defensively. That would be a big misstep.
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Posted 16 April 2010 - 07:49 AM

I hope so. I guess I'm just saying I would create a development path based mostly off his defensive performance, not his offensive. You know your sh*t much better than I do, so I'm not going to argue with you; if you think he's ready for the AHL on both fronts of his game, I'm happy. I just don't want to see him become one dimensional because he can't catch up defensively. That would be a big misstep.

Arniel has been great in developing our players for years now. He's why Burr, Kes, Raymond, Grabs, Edler, Hansen, Burdon (RIP), Beiksa, etc. made it to the NHL. Connauton will develop much better for him on the moose next year then he would in the WHL. Even though the Giants have a great program and Hay is a great coach, thw WHL just isn't enough of a challenge for Connauton to progress properly next year.
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Posted 16 April 2010 - 02:52 PM

Arniel has been great in developing our players for years now. He's why Burr, Kes, Raymond, Grabs, Edler, Hansen, Burdon (RIP), Beiksa, etc. made it to the NHL. Connauton will develop much better for him on the moose next year then he would in the WHL. Even though the Giants have a great program and Hay is a great coach, thw WHL just isn't enough of a challenge for Connauton to progress properly next year.


If he can dominate the WHL defensively as well as offensively, then I'd be all for him making the jump to the Moose next year. I've only seen very little of him, so I have no idea, really. The thing is that if he's struggling to contain boys age 16-20 in the Dub now, what would become of him if he goes to the Moose to play against bigger, stronger and faster men? He'd get eaten alive. I really hope he'll be able to make that transition to pro hockey, and like bluesy_shoes mentioned, it'd be awesome if he didn't develop into only a one-dimensional PP specialist/quarterback.

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Posted 16 April 2010 - 03:30 PM

except his development will become stagnated playing against inferior competition. there is no valid arguement to keeping him in the WHL. even if he plays half as much in the AHL, he'll still be progressing while working against future and former NHLers, instead of against children 16-20 yrs of age.


But yet these "children" can still undress him and make him look clueless in his own end sometimes.

He has a hard, accurate shot and knows when and where to let it go to get it thru traffic. But you can't get points in consecutive shifts just to be on the ice 2 shifts later and allow the other team to get the lead again.

He will get eaten alive in the AHL defensivley.
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Posted 16 April 2010 - 08:27 PM

Connauton just made a key defensive play to save a SH goal.

It's not like connauton hands over the game to the other team with horrid defensive play. he is a good d-man with a great offensive upside, and will be much better off if he plays in the AHL next year. the WHL as an overager is a pointless proposition. He'll never be a shutdown d-man, that's just not his play-style/strength, but he's not going to be eaten alive by the increase in talent in the AHL either.

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Posted 16 April 2010 - 09:16 PM

Connauton with an assist on the 4-2 insurance PP marker. Unfortunately the stats page has no +/- right now, but considering the Americans haven't scored at even strength, it's safe to say he's not negative.
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Posted 17 April 2010 - 02:21 PM

Obviously a player to keep an eye on but doesn't really mean too much. Its how they handle the change to the pro's than a whole different story yet again by getting NHL action.

We won't honestly know where he fits in until he gets his chance and it could go either way. Lets wait and see.


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Posted 20 April 2010 - 08:49 AM

Giants were shutout on saturday, Tri-cities tied up the series 1-1, hopefully the giants can sweep their home games (starting with tonight) to put them nicely ahead in the series.
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Posted 20 April 2010 - 11:27 PM

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Posted 20 April 2010 - 11:39 PM

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