[therosberg]

Sundin, Sundin our big Swede.. I really want him to play just one more season for us. In the playoffs he was a PPG player getting 8 pts in 8 games. His chemistry with Demo and Kes is great and I think they really came together at the end of the season. Imagine this:

Sundin signs a one year deal 1-3 million dollars (would answer so many questions and posts on the CDC boards if he resigned) starts from the START of the season kicking of where he started with Demo and Kes and gets more conditioning at training camp. Fans love to see how much he is efecting the team after just 5 games, scoring two goals and three helpers. Kesler has 3 goals 1 helper and Demo has 1 goal 4 helpers. This could very much be a true and posible future.

also leaving cap space for signing an PUCK-MOVING defensemen with grit, (Beauchemin or even Cam Barker, unlikely)


Sedin - Sedin - Burrows
Demitra - Sundin - Kesler
Bernier - Hodgson - Grabner (Bernie has a big body and is good infront of the net, CoHo develops into a great playmaker and gets 50+ points in his first season, Grabner shows his soft hands making us proud!)
Hordichuk - Johnson - Rypien
Hansen
As said above, the signing leaves space for signing that defensmen we really need.

Bieksa - Mitchell
Edler - Beuchemin/Salo
Salo - Seidenberg/McIver
Rome

Luongo resigns, Schneider sadly has to leave along with raymond and wellwood in a trade. (could also bring us a really good player or a few of them

Luongo
Back-up required in trade. With a cap hit of 1 mil or less.

[xXnotoriousXx]

id take him for under 4 M

[towelpoweralltheway]

I would love to see Sundin signing for 1-3 million x 1, but we all know that isn't going to happen. Sundin although had great chemistry but could run "n" gun with that explosive second line

[Gyraf17]

LMAO @ Hodgson getting 50+ points in first season......wake up from dreamland! He will be a solid third line center this season, but come on, don't get your hopes up that high or you will the first one saying "trade him!!!, he never lived up to expectations!"

Honestly, if at 2 mil or so, bring in Sundin again. He will always be a threat (even a diminished one). If you can't get those numbers, I still say look at Ales Kotalik. His money last season was 2.5m, and he has good skills. With the Sedin's, expect him to be more consistent here. Then Burr could drop to the second line and we'd have a couple solid front lines, a potential line in the third line (hodgson as center) and make a tough fourth line of bruisers.

[therosberg]

Gyraf17, on Jul 2 2009, 02:16 PM, said:

LMAO @ Hodgson getting 50+ points in first season......wake up from dreamland! He will be a solid third line center this season, but come on, don't get your hopes up that high or you will the first one saying "trade him!!!, he never lived up to expectations!"

Honestly, if at 2 mil or so, bring in Sundin again. He will always be a threat (even a diminished one). If you can't get those numbers, I still say look at Ales Kotalik. His money last season was 2.5m, and he has good skills. With the Sedin's, expect him to be more consistent here. Then Burr could drop to the second line and we'd have a couple solid front lines, a potential line in the third line (hodgson as center) and make a tough fourth line of bruisers.

okay, 50 + maybe was a bit high but i really think this guy could make 40 points next season. BUT, we should sign wellwood for one year and then bring in Hodgson when both Demitra and Wellwood are UFA's. Kotalik.. RUSLAN FEDOTENKO is the cheapest and best fit for our forward lines in my opinion. read my other thread if your interested in hearing why. Kotalik is not a bad player, don't get me wrong but Fedotenko is a better fit looking at cap and what he can bring to the team

[Canuckk]

Sundin for $3M, 1-year is reasonable, I think. Still, I doubt he'll play next year at all.

Gyraf17, on Jul 2 2009, 02:16 PM, said:

LMAO @ Hodgson getting 50+ points in first season......wake up from dreamland! He will be a solid third line center this season, but come on, don't get your hopes up that high or you will the first one saying "trade him!!!, he never lived up to expectations!"

I could see him pulling off an excellent rookie campaign at 50+ points, but I'm not at all expecting it. I'm expecting a solid all-around performance by him with around 30 points. The following season, though, I can easily see 50-60 points from him, so long as he develops well this season.

[Gyraf17]

therosberg, on Jul 2 2009, 02:21 PM, said:

okay, 50 + maybe was a bit high but i really think this guy could make 40 points next season. BUT, we should sign wellwood for one year and then bring in Hodgson when both Demitra and Wellwood are UFA's. Kotalik.. RUSLAN FEDOTENKO is the cheapest and best fit for our forward lines in my opinion. read my other thread if your interested in hearing why. Kotalik is not a bad player, don't get me wrong but Fedotenko is a better fit looking at cap and what he can bring to the team

I don't think Fedetenko is a bad option. I guess it depends on what you want from your signing. I think if Sundin DOES NOT sign, you take Kotalik. Same type of money. If Sundin is back, then you don't sign Kotalik, as your spending to much money on the front end, and have nothing left to fill our defensive needs.

Fedetenko is not as good a fit on the top line with the Sedins as Kotalik, I think. This is where we need to assess a forward need better. IF you are comfortable having Burrows as a top line forward with the Sedins, then Fedetenko is a good signing as a second liner. I think your better option is to sign Kotalik as a top liner with the Sedins, and drop Burrows down to the second line. Not that I don't like Burrows, I do. I just think his speed may be better suited to playing with Kesler, who should get even better this year, or even with Hodgson, as Hodgson should be able to hit him with a nice pass as he blazes through the neutral zone. I think Kotalik has more offensive(read goal scoring) to his game, which would work good with the Sedins. I also think he will be much more consistent if playing with them.

*EDIT: By same type of money, I am assuming Sundin is not being offered $10m again. By all reports, if he does come back, it will be at around $2m to $3m.

This post has been edited by Gyraf17: 02 July 2009 - 02:50 PM

[therosberg]

Gyraf17, on Jul 2 2009, 03:47 PM, said:

I don't think Fedetenko is a bad option. I guess it depends on what you want from your signing. I think if Sundin DOES NOT sign, you take Kotalik. Same type of money. If Sundin is back, then you don't sign Kotalik, as your spending to much money on the front end, and have nothing left to fill our defensive needs.

Fedetenko is not as good a fit on the top line with the Sedins as Kotalik, I think. This is where we need to assess a forward need better. IF you are comfortable having Burrows as a top line forward with the Sedins, then Fedetenko is a good signing as a second liner. I think your better option is to sign Kotalik as a top liner with the Sedins, and drop Burrows down to the second line. Not that I don't like Burrows, I do. I just think his speed may be better suited to playing with Kesler, who should get even better this year, or even with Hodgson, as Hodgson should be able to hit him with a nice pass as he blazes through the neutral zone. I think Kotalik has more offensive(read goal scoring) to his game, which would work good with the Sedins. I also think he will be much more consistent if playing with them.

*EDIT: By same type of money, I am assuming Sundin is not being offered $10m again. By all reports, if he does come back, it will be at around $2m to $3m.

okay that sounds like a good plan.. I don't like burrows on the first line either and reuniting him and Kes now.. sparks mig fly in a good way Kotalik is a good option. I was thinking of signing Fedotenko for a 1-2 year deal 1-1.5 mil cap hit. You get a lot of things from that little money.

[underoath1234]

it makes me happy to see reasonable deals being played out, the only way we were going to get a big name is if the sedins didnt resign. i like the idea of kotalik or fedotenko cause the are cheep and aer capable at putting the puck in the net. plus they will take shorter deals for an assurance at a top-6 spot. thus allowing the youngsters to play another year with the moose. plus if kotalik or fedotenko dont work on the first line i can see them both on the second, switchin gspots with burrows.

overall i think there will be less buyers for kotalik because he was terrible for the oilers last year, and fedotenko has 2 rings.

[westcoast]

No Sundin.

[Boom Boom Bieksa]

Definitely re-sign Sundin if he's going to play a full season and its under 3 million.

[WillMit]

3-4 Million for 1 season would be perfectly reasonable.

He'll put up 60-70 pts, and we'll all be stoked about it at the end of the year.

It's too bad that Gillis wouldn't even think of trading demitra, cause if we sign Sundin, then move demitra... that would be great.


Sedin,Sedin,UFA/Grabner/Trade
Kesler,Sundin,Burrows
Raymond,Hodgson,Bernier
Hordi,Johnson,Rypien
(Grabner/Wellwood spare)

Make a trade where Demitra, Schnieder and our 1st for Kovalchuk .... mmmmmm.....

Then if our team sucks this year and tanks the whole season, We can always trade away Kovalchuk for picks and prospects.


I think the biggest Key to the Canucks success is to make a lineup that is interchangeable, as we all know AV will be moving people around when he feels like it, so we might as well give him players that can all player with each other.

This post has been edited by WillMit: 02 July 2009 - 05:55 PM

[TopNuck]

I actually want him to stay and play for Vancouver one more year. I just want to see what kind of points he'll put up if he plays the whole season and with Kesler and Demitra.

[Stanley to Vancouver]

Sundin at 2mill tops. Starting to show age and not able to keep up last year. Even after he was gettin back into the groove. If he is serious about winning a cup he'll take a discount

[39CoDyHoDgSoN]

sundin at 3mil or less would be great, might be a good mentor for Hodgson

[Grind-Like-Lightning]

Hahahaha.... no.

[playstasian]

sign sundin 1 year for 2mill. i think he can be in shape and produce more points with a full training camp.

[AmazingNuck]

If we have no other option, I think he's a decent one.. he was a beast in the playoffs, so I'm guessing if he's in shape, he'll do some damage.

[canucks22222]

i would want sundin forsure

[canacks1970]

therosberg, on Jul 2 2009, 12:56 PM, said:

Sundin, Sundin our big Swede.. I really want him to play just one more season for us. In the playoffs he was a PPG player getting 8 pts in 8 games. His chemistry with Demo and Kes is great and I think they really came together at the end of the season. Imagine this:

Sundin signs a one year deal 1-3 million dollars (would answer so many questions and posts on the CDC boards if he resigned) starts from the START of the season kicking of where he started with Demo and Kes and gets more conditioning at training camp. Fans love to see how much he is efecting the team after just 5 games, scoring two goals and three helpers. Kesler has 3 goals 1 helper and Demo has 1 goal 4 helpers. This could very much be a true and posible future.

also leaving cap space for signing an PUCK-MOVING defensemen with grit, (Beauchemin or even Cam Barker, unlikely)


Sedin - Sedin - Burrows
Demitra - Sundin - Kesler
Bernier - Hodgson - Grabner (Bernie has a big body and is good infront of the net, CoHo develops into a great playmaker and gets 50+ points in his first season, Grabner shows his soft hands making us proud!)
Hordichuk - Johnson - Rypien
Hansen
As said above, the signing leaves space for signing that defensmen we really need.

Bieksa - Mitchell
Edler - Beuchemin/Salo
Salo - Seidenberg/McIver
Rome

Luongo resigns, Schneider sadly has to leave along with raymond and wellwood in a trade. (could also bring us a really good player or a few of them

Luongo
Back-up required in trade. With a cap hit of 1 mil or less.

Iwouldn't mind having him back ,But at what price. Plus i wouldn't want him to play half a season.