[Nuxin07]

Linden The Reason, on Jul 4 2009, 12:54 PM, said:

Why would Boston throw a party if we got Kessel at 3 mil? id throw a party, it would be like trading
a 2nd round pick for Kessel, what a steal !!!!!

Because Boston would match it. Kessel is looking for $4.5-$5M on a multi year deal

[King Kopitar]

Hagis99, on Jul 4 2009, 01:17 AM, said:

Unless a trade happens, in my opinion best lines on paper with what we have and what we can afford. Here's hoping our prospects step up!

These are actual numbers with the exceptions of Wellwood (guessed at 1 million) SOB, (guessed at 1.1 million) and the backup goalie (guessed at 0.8 million)


Sedin-Sedin-Samuelsson .............. 14.7 million............ Had good results in international play.
Kesler-Demitra-Grabner ............... 6.59333 million.......Kesler's speed/grit with Demitra's playmaking abilities and Grabner's speed/finish.
Burrows-Hodgson-Bernier.............. 5.725 million...........Hard working, full of heart, good offence. Good learning line for Hodgson's first year.
Johnson-Wellwood-Rypien ............ 2.650 million............Shot blocking, (Johnson) good defensive/offense (Wellwood) and speed/toughness. (Rypien)

Mitchell-Salo .............................. 7 million....................Shut down!
Edler-Rahimi???........................... 3.9 million.................Not sure about Rahimi, he's huge and a defensive Defensemen. Almost made the team last year.
Bieksa-SOB................................. 5 million....................Had good success last year.

Luongo.........................................6.75 million
Backup.........................................0.8 million

Raymond, Hordichuk and Nycolat as needed. 2.45 million.

Total:...........................................53.12 million.

3.68 million under budget. Enough for call ups or Trade deadline.

Any better suggestions?

I like it a lot. Especially the fact that you have given Grabner a shot on the second line. Kesler should center and if Demitra or Samuelsson doesn't produce i wouldn't hesitate in swapped either for burrows. Hopefully we can sign another D man cause I don't think Rahimi is strong enough but overall thumbs up.

This post has been edited by King Kopitar: 04 July 2009 - 02:34 PM

[luongo55]

Linden The Reason, on Jul 4 2009, 12:54 PM, said:

Why would Boston throw a party if we got Kessel at 3 mil? id throw a party, it would be like trading
a 2nd round pick for Kessel, what a steal !!!!!

because they would match the offer

[Thomas Gradin]

Rahimi as a top 4 defenseman?

Rahimi as a NHL starter next year?

Are you joking?

[canuck2xtreme]

Thomas Gradin, on Jul 4 2009, 04:37 PM, said:

Rahimi as a top 4 defenseman?

Rahimi as a NHL starter next year?

Are you joking?

lol. This.

[Canuck23]

therosberg, on Jul 4 2009, 01:27 AM, said:

I don't agree with a lot with this post.

Sedin - Sedin - Burrows (it worked last year and unless Burrows and the twins don't pick up Sammy is here to help!)
Demitra - Kesler - Samuelsson (posibly Burrows)
Raymond - Wellwood - Bernier (worked great at the end of last season)
HORDICHUK - JOHNSON - RYPIEN (one of the best fourth lines in the league, if not THE best)
Grabner
Mitchell - Salo (YES)
Edler - McIver (from what is on our roster right now)
Bieksa - SOB

Luongo
Schneider (gains market value)

we still have cap space to sign Foster who would go in for McIver.
notice that CoHo is not in the line-up.. why rush let him develop!!
THIS IS OUR BEST LINE-UP
//thread ended, thank you. Aquillini call me later for the GM job you were talking about.

Its not we still need a puck moving defenseman, plus i can see a trade coming because we have alot of younf offensive guys we can trade, im sorry Aquillini will not be calling

[tom_1]

Thomas Gradin, on Jul 4 2009, 04:37 PM, said:

Rahimi as a top 4 defenseman?

Rahimi as a NHL starter next year?

Are you joking?

Rahimi wasn't even good enough to crack Manitoba's playoff roster.

on the subject

FORWARDS
Daniel Sedin ($6.1m) / Henrik Sedin ($6.1m) / Alexandre Burrows ($2.0m)
Pavol Demitra ($4.0m) / Ryan Kesler ($1.8m) / Mikael Samuelsson ($2.5m)
Mason Raymond ($0.9m) / Cody Hodgson ($1.7m) / Steve Bernier ($2.0m)
Darcy Hordichuk ($0.8m) / Ryan Johnson ($1.1m) / Rick Rypien ($0.6m)
Michael Grabner (.843)

DEFENSEMEN
Kevin Bieksa ($3.8m) / Willie Mitchell ($3.5m)
Sami Salo ($3.5m) / Alexandre Edler ($3.2m)
Shane O'Brien (?) / _____________
Lawrence Nycholat (.5)


GOALTENDERS
Roberto Luongo ($6.8m) / Cory Schneider ($1.1m)

Question Marks
Kyle Wellwood (RFA) and/or Jannik Hansen (RFA) over Grabner and/or Hodgson?
Nathan McIver (RFA) or Aaron Rome (.53) or Nolan Baumgartner (.55) over Lawrence Nycholat?

CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS
ROSTER: 20; PAYROLL: $52.6m; CAP ROOM: $4.2m - needed to sign O'Brien and a 6th D-MAN

So really the Canucks have roughly 1.5 to 3 million to spend on a 6th D-Man; Considering whether the Canucks re-sign Wellwood, Hansen and O'Brien, and whether they keep Schneider as an overpriced backup.

This post has been edited by tom_1: 04 July 2009 - 07:36 PM

[absent]

Something really needs to be done about the defence, there's a HUGE hole there right now, and i can't imagine Gillis isn't incredibly aware of it.

On top of that, regardless of what i'd really like to see for lines, AV will undoubtedly fiddle and tinker 'till we're all ready to pull our hair out and lynch him. But say what you will about his line juggling and how it messes with line chemistry, if it weren't for his willingness to move people around and try different things, we would never have seen some of the great chemistry that we had at the end of the season.

Not strictly speaking in terms of lines, there are quite a few pairings that i'd like to see next season. From the roster we have shaping up, AV should have a TON of flexibility with his lines, as we've stockpiled a whole bunch of players who can effectively slot in on any number of different lines in a wide range of roles.

I would really like to see how the Sedins with Samuelsson works out, but failing that...Burrows is still a very good fallback option.

I'd also be curious to see how Hodgson would do centering a line with Bernier and Raymond, making the 3rd line more of a conventional shutdown line with offensive upside.

As well, Wellwood and Bernier with Grabner sounds like an interesting prospect to me; including much of that 'BMW line' magic, but with Grabner instead of Raymond, as he has much of that same speed that Raymond brought to the line, but is a more natural sniper who could potentially cap off some more of those long offensive zone possessions in goals. That would very much rule the line out as a 'checking line' though.

Most of all, i'd like to see a 4th line where Hordichuk is used more sparingly. ESPECIALLY in the playoffs. I really felt that the 4th line matchup was a major achilles heal in that Chicago series, and when you look around the league at teams excelling in the playoffs...very few of them have 'designated tough guys' on their 4th lines in the playoffs. Sure they have toughness and grit, but i'm not sure a heavyweight is needed in the playoffs as much. Not a lot of fighting going down. So i'd like to see something like Rypien-Johnson-Hansen a bit more next year.

I can't even try to sort out the defence as it stands because no matter what they do, it is suddenly a very weak defensive core. And of course, there's a lot more i'd like to see. In any event, it's certainly shaping up to be another intriguing season.

[#12]

What a lot of people are saying is that this team is too similar to the one that made the early exit last year, but what they don't realize is that players like Burrows, Kesler, Raymond, Edler, Bieksa, and even the Sedins are more likely to be better this year than last. These are our young players, our rising stars. They will build on what they had last year and improve. Plus we could have players like Hodgson, Grabner, Ellington, Rahimi etc. who have potential to make the team.

The way I see it, our forwards are fine, and all we need is one more above-average defensman.

EDIT: And possibly a back-up goaltender, depending on whether we want Schnieder or perhaps Sanford (not 100% sure if he's under contract. Too lazy to check) in that spot.

This post has been edited by #12: 04 July 2009 - 07:59 PM

[tom_1]

#12, on Jul 4 2009, 07:55 PM, said:

What a lot of people are saying is that this team is too similar to the one that made the early exit last year, but what they don't realize is that players like Burrows, Kesler, Raymond, Edler, Bieksa, and even the Sedins are more likely to be better this year than last. These are our young players, our rising stars. They will build on what they had last year and improve. Plus we could have players like Hodgeson, Grabner, Ellington, Rahimi etc. who have potential to make the team.

The way I see it, our forwards are fine, and all we need is one more above-average defensman.

EDIT: And possibly a back-up goaltender, depending on whether we want Schnieder or perhaps Sanford (not 100% sure if he's under contract. Too lazy to check on my own) in that spot.

1. Edler
2. Bieksa
3. Mitchell
4. Salo
5. O'Brien
6. and 7. Nycholat, Rome, Ellington or Baumgartner

O'Brien, Bieksa and Mitchell aren't mobile enough, it would probably be prudent to replace 1 in a trade to get either a Cam Barker, Tomas Kaberle type player.

[#12]

tom_1, on Jul 4 2009, 08:01 PM, said:

1. Edler
2. Bieksa
3. Mitchell
4. Salo
5. O'Brien
6. and 7. Nycholat, Rome, Ellington or Baumgartner

O'Brien, Bieksa and Mitchell aren't mobile enough, it would probably be prudent to replace 1 in a trade to get either a Cam Barker, Tomas Kaberle type player.

Good point. It probably would be best to sign a defenceman and trade for another. Barker and Kaberle would be awesome.

[canuck2xtreme]

#12, on Jul 4 2009, 08:10 PM, said:

Good point. It probably would be best to sign a defenceman and trade for another. Barker and Kaberle would be awesome.

Barker if he goes to UFA. If not, Kurtis Foster.

No point trading for Kaberle, we'd have to give up assets and then we'd still have holes to fill with less cap space to do it.

[Donnie Shulzhoffer]

I like the forwards even without Demitra*

Sedin Sedin Samuelsson
Burrows Kesler Bernier
Raymond Wellwood Hansen
Hodgson Johnson Rypien
Hordichuk

Bieksa Mitchell
Edler Salo
* Nycholat
Rome

Luongo

Not to pick on Demitra but he is the most logical way to upgrade the D.

[Lenny Jones]

therosberg, on Jul 4 2009, 01:27 AM, said:

I don't agree with a lot with this post.

Sedin - Sedin - Burrows (it worked last year and unless Burrows and the twins don't pick up Sammy is here to help!)
Demitra - Kesler - Samuelsson (posibly Burrows)
Raymond - Wellwood - Bernier (worked great at the end of last season)
HORDICHUK - JOHNSON - RYPIEN (one of the best fourth lines in the league, if not THE best)
Grabner
Mitchell - Salo (YES)
Edler - McIver (from what is on our roster right now)
Bieksa - SOB

Luongo
Schneider (gains market value)

we still have cap space to sign Foster who would go in for McIver.
notice that CoHo is not in the line-up.. why rush let him develop!!
THIS IS OUR BEST LINE-UP
//thread ended, thank you. Aquillini call me later for the GM job you were talking about.

i agree but.. dont we have Sanford already??? shnieder and hansen for someone other than McIver... then we are set!

[TheKottonmouthed]

Mine would be

Sedin-Sedin-Samuelsson
Demitra-Kesler-Grabner
Burrows-Hodgson-Bernier
Raymond-Johnson-Rypien
*Wellwood

Edler-Bieksa
Mitchell-Salo
O'Brien-Rome
*Nycholat

Luongo
Schneider

[Nuckz4life]

pretty good

[Iamcanadian16]

Burrows is staying on that first line i dont care what AV thinks, HES STAYING THERE, if its not broken dont fix it. Samuelson on the PP MAYBE, however i still wanna see Burr get some PP time. 28 goals... hes bound to pot a few with his determination. Drop Sam to the second Demo/Kes/Sam decent line with speed playmaking and shooting, responsible in their own end too. Third drop Grabs to the 3rd, i know he should be in the top 6 or not at all but lets see what we can have with Hodgson and Grabner together, possible a little chemistry with Bernier causing some havoc in front(PLZ DONT BE ANOTHER PYATT). 4th is good.

[GrassyPonderous]

luongo55, on Jul 4 2009, 02:37 PM, said:

because they would match the offer

The players themselves must sign the offer sheet before it is to be matched. So, if we were to offer Kessel 3M he would not have to sign the offer, and therefore nothing would come of it. If he signed the offer, however, then there would be a party in Boston's pants with MG invited.

[canuck2xtreme]

Iamcanadian16, on Jul 5 2009, 08:43 PM, said:

Burrows is staying on that first line i dont care what AV thinks, HES STAYING THERE, if its not broken dont fix it. Samuelson on the PP MAYBE, however i still wanna see Burr get some PP time. 28 goals... hes bound to pot a few with his determination. Drop Sam to the second Demo/Kes/Sam decent line with speed playmaking and shooting, responsible in their own end too. Third drop Grabs to the 3rd, i know he should be in the top 6 or not at all but lets see what we can have with Hodgson and Grabner together, possible a little chemistry with Bernier causing some havoc in front(PLZ DONT BE ANOTHER PYATT). 4th is good.

I do think Burrows should stay on the top line, he had great chemistry with the Sedins. But...

... you are aware that it's AV that puts the lines together right?? I would think you'd have to care what AV thinks, because it's ultimately his decision.

[Dark_Knight]

Should be Burrows Hodgeson Kesler So Hodgeson can develop