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Luongo for Lecavalier

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When was the last time the canucks had a top line centre who is good enough to play for team canada?

Both these lifelong contracts will be moved for the other.

Luongo does it because he likes it in Florida, and he probably has some friends on the team. Playing behind Victor Hedman and Steven Stamkos will also be appealing.

They're both not meeting immediate expectations for what their worth is, and although the TB owners (or at least one) has a stiff for him it is a trade that MAKES SENSE for both clubs.

I don't want to see Lu go, nor do I care about this. I personally could see Gillis sticking with a young AMAZING goalie in Corey Schnedier and he will get his 9 games for sure. Why trade him when he has a lower value than Luongo.

Yay or Nay is fine. If not, then I ask with more impressive play, what can Schneider haul in? veterans (jason arnott would be nice)? prospects? picks?

the leafs are an interesting team... we could maybe poach a few decent players for him and our 1st. Burke is sure to want at least one or two other nucks he picked. Jason Blake?

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I woudln't do it.

Besides Luongo has a no trade clause..

Taking in Lecavaliers 7 million + contract will kill us..

Luongo will only be 5.3 million in caphit which is much more managable.

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Luongo for Lecavalier, Stamkos, St.Louis, Stamkos, and Hedman and we could talk.

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Luongo for Lecavalier, Stamkos, St.Louis, Stamkos, and Hedman and we could talk.

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When was the last time the canucks had a top line centre who is good enough to play for team canada?

Both these lifelong contracts will be moved for the other.

Luongo does it because he likes it in Florida, and he probably has some friends on the team. Playing behind Victor Hedman and Steven Stamkos will also be appealing.

They're both not meeting immediate expectations for what their worth is, and although the TB owners (or at least one) has a stiff for him it is a trade that MAKES SENSE for both clubs.

I don't want to see Lu go, nor do I care about this. I personally could see Gillis sticking with a young AMAZING goalie in Corey Schnedier and he will get his 9 games for sure. Why trade him when he has a lower value than Luongo.

Yay or Nay is fine. If not, then I ask with more impressive play, what can Schneider haul in? veterans (jason arnott would be nice)? prospects? picks?

the leafs are an interesting team... we could maybe poach a few decent players for him and our 1st. Burke is sure to want at least one or two other nucks he picked. Jason Blake?

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Post your Canuck Roster/Off-Season changes if you don't want to make a thread, here, or if you have a line-up change suggestion, post it here as well.

To PHILADELPHIA: Cory Schneider, 1st round pick

To VANCOUVER: Ryan Parent, 2nd round pick

Philadelphia gets their top-notch goal-tending prospect, and a 1st round pick, Vancouver gets its top-notch defensive prospect, and a 2nd round pick.

RE-SIGN: Ryan Parent (3 years, 1.45 million)

RE-SIGN: Willie Mitchell (2 years, 3 million)

RE-SIGN: Mason Raymond (3 years, 2.5 million)

RE-SIGN: Jannik Hansen (1 year, .550 k)

RE-SIGN: Tanner Glass (2 years, .500 k)

RE-SIGN: Alexander Bolduc (2 years, .550 k)

RE-SIGN: Andrew Raycroft (1 year, .600 k)

RE-SIGN: Shane O'Brien (2 years, 1.8 million)

To FLORIDA: Steve Bernier, Kevin Bieksa

To VANCOUVER: Shawn Matthias, Jason Garrison

RE-SIGN: Jason Garrison (2 years, .800 k)

Then send to minors.

Florida gets two physical players. I think they want to change up their team, and by adding Steve Bernier and Kevin Bieksa, and already having Horton, Ballard, McCabe and Allen - you have a fierce group right their.

SIGN: Noah Welch (1 year, .500k)

Daniel Sedin [6.1] - Henrik Sedin [6.1] - Alexander Burrows [2]

Mason Raymond [2.5] - Ryan Kesler [5] - Mikael Samuelsson [2.5]

Shawn Matthias [.822] - Cody Hodgson [.875] - Jannik Hansen [.550]

Tanner Glass [.500] - Alexander Bolduc [.550] - Rick Rypien [.500]

Mario Bliznak [.500]

Willie Mitchell [3] - Sami Salo [3.5]

Ryan Parent [1.45] - Alexander Edler [3.25]

Christian Ehrhoff [3.1] - Shane O'Brien [1.8]

Andrew Alberts [1.05]

Noah Welch [.500]

Roberto Luongo [5.33]

Andrew Raycroft [.600]

CAP HIT - 51.577 (including 3 spares)

CAP SPACE - 5.223

Basically same forward group from this year (which has been excellent), with an improved (hopefully) Michael Grabner, and a healthy back of Cody Hodgson.

Ryan Parent > Kevin Bieksa. Parent seems like the perfect partner for Edler.

With 5.223 million dollars of cap-space, we could add a solid 3rd line center. Also with this much cap-space, it could be possible, that we negate the 'Shane O'Brien' signing, and have 7.023 cap-space, and sign a #1 defenseman such as - Scott Niedermayer, Anton Volchenkov, Pavel Kubina or Sergei Gonchar. It could also be possible we negate the Willie Mitchell signing, and a top 4 defenseman like Dan Hamhuis, Zybnek Michalek or anyone else still available July 1st.

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Sedin - Sedin - Burrows

Raymond - Kesler - Samuelsson

Grabner - Hodgeson/Wandell - Bernier

Glass - Reasoner - Rypien

**Hordichuk

Salo - Mitchell

Edler - Ehrhoff

Bieksa - O'Brien

*Baumgartner or Lukowich

**Rome or another 8th defenseman

Luongo

Raycroft if he decides to re-sign or else wait till 2nd-3rd week of UFA and take the decent goalie who is desperate for a spot(last year it was Biron, Raycroft, etc) cause then they will come cheap.

ATL:

Wellwood

M.Schneider

Van:

Reasoner

7th round pick (6th round pick if they use Schneider)

DAL:

C.Schneider

Hansen

Van:

Wandell

2nd round pick

Signings

3.0million Mitchell(3 year contract 3.5,3.0,2.5)

2.0milion O'Brien(3 year contract 2.5,2.0,1.5)

backup goalie 1 year 0.5-0.7million

0.8-1.0 million Baumgartner or Lukowich 1 year contract

0.5-0.75 million Rome or 8th defenseman 1 year contract

didn't bother to write Raymond and Kesler new contract amounts, cause quite frankly it could be anything what with Kesler's discount, Gillis's smarts and length of contract. But we should still be under the cap.

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Copying your format. :P

UFA's

Mitchell - Re-sign (2 years, $3mil/yr)

Demitra - Walk

Wellwood - Walk

Johnson - Walk

Pettinger - Walk

Lukowich - Re-sign (1 year, $900k/yr)

Schneider - Walk

Raycroft - Re-sign (1 year, $500k/yr)

RFA's

Kesler - Re-sign (4 years, $4mil/yr)

Raymond - Re-sign (4 years, $3mil/yr)

O'Brien - Re-sign (1 year, $1.8mil/yr)

Hansen - Re-sign (1 year, $700k/yr)

Glass - Re-sign (1 year, $600k/yr)

Bolduc - Re-sign (2 years, $500k/yr)

Bliznak - Re-sign (2 years, $500k/yr)

Rome - Walk

Funk - Re-sign (1 year, $500k/yr)

Trades:

Cory Schneider to Dallas for Matt Niskanen (sign 2 years, $1.5mil/yr)

Kevin Bieksa to anywhere for picks. :P

D.Sedin [6.1] - H.Sedin [6.1] - Burrows [2.0]

Raymond [3.0] - Kesler [4.0] - Grabner [.787]

Bernier [2.0] - Hodgson [.875] - Samuelsson [2.5]

Glass [.600] - Bolduc/Bliznak [.500] - Rypien [.500]

Hansen [.500]

Edler [3.25] - Mitchell [3.0]

Ehrhoff [3.1] - Niskanen [1.5]

O'Brien [1.8] - Salo [3.5]

Lukowich [.900]

Luongo [5.33]

Raycroft [0.500]

52.400

Solid lineup with enough cap space to make a move at the deadline to acquire whatever the hell we would need at that point.

:towel:

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@ Al

I would rather see Grabner playing with the Raymond and Kesler because those three players bring speed to the team and are the fastest one team. It will be hard for the other team's second line to stop these three player because everyone is equal if we're talking about speed and speed beats everything.

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@ Al

I would rather see Grabner playing with the Raymond and Kesler because those three players bring speed to the team and are the fastest one team. It will be hard for the other team's second line to stop these three player because everyone is equal if we're talking about speed and speed beats everything.

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Trade deadline:

To STL: Cory Schneider, Jannik Hansen

To VAN: Patrik Berglund

Too many rumors going around to warrant an explanation, Bergy is the guy I'm hoping for.

Taking a guess, we pick around 22nd overall (just for argument's sake). At the draft:

Trade:

To ATL: Kevin Bieksa, Steve Bernier, 2010 1st (22nd overall)

To VAN: 2010 1st (6th overall), 2010 3rd (76th overall)

It is no secret that Kovalchuk is as good as gone, and with so much uncertainty with Atlanta's revenue (or lack thereof) they need to try to win to sell some tickets. Bieksa and Bernier speed that process, and we get another pick as well as moving up in the first round.

Select: Erik Gudbranson.

Not sure where this guy is going to go, but he looks like a beast and is something that we could get really excited about. Captain in major junior at 16 - Gillis loves it.

UFA's

Mitchell - Walk

Demitra - Walk

Wellwood - Walk

Johnson - Walk

Pettinger - Walk

Lukowich - Re-sign (1 year, $900k/yr)

Schneider - Walk

Raycroft - Re-sign (1 year, $500k/yr)

RFA's - Sign 2-ways to those that are waiver exempt, as an ownership money-saving tactic (not that I care, but I suppose it's more realistic for guys that do not have penciled in roster spots).

Kesler - Re-sign (6 years, $26M 4.333 hit - 4, 4, 4, 4.5, 4.5, 5)

Raymond - Re-sign (4 years, $11M - 2.5, 2.5, 3, 3)

O'Brien - Re-sign (1 year, $1.8mil/yr)

Glass - Re-sign (1 year, $600k/yr)

Bolduc - Re-sign (2 years, $500k/yr, 2-way)

Bliznak - Re-sign (2 years, $500k/yr, 2-way)

Rome - Walk

Funk - Re-sign (1 year, $500k/yr, 2-way)

Free Agency:

Anton Volchenkov: 3 years, 10.5M - 3.5, 3.5, 3.5

Dan Hamhuis: 3 years, 10.5M - 3.5, 3.5, 3.5

New Lineup:

D.Sedin [6.1] - H.Sedin [6.1] - Burrows [2.0]

Raymond [2.75] - Kesler [4.333] - Grabner [.843]

Hodgson [1.696] - Berglund [1.247] - Samuelsson [2.5]

Glass [.600] - Bolduc [.500] - Rypien [.500]

Hordichuk [.775] Bliznak [.500]

Edler [3.25] - Hamhuis [3.5]

Ehrhoff [3.1] - O'Brien [1.8]

Volchenkov [3.5] - Salo [3.5]

Lukowich [.900]

Luongo [5.33]

Raycroft [0.500]

55.827

Considered buying Salo out, but maybe it's worth just suffering one more season of him as opposed to ghost cap hit.

EDIT: Bolded new acquisitions/signings and players that were not in this year's regular lineup (ie. Grabner).

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1. At deadline, Get Gillis to pull an Ehrhoff and get Kaberle for cheap.

2. At deadline, Get Gillis to pull an Ehrhoff and get Backes for cheap.

3. Win Cup

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Trade deadline:

To STL: Cory Schneider, Jannik Hansen

To VAN: Patrik Berglund

Too many rumors going around to warrant an explanation, Bergy is the guy I'm hoping for.

Taking a guess, we pick around 22nd overall (just for argument's sake). At the draft:

Trade:

To ATL: Kevin Bieksa, Steve Bernier, 2010 1st (22nd overall)

To VAN: 2010 1st (6th overall), 2010 3rd (76th overall)

It is no secret that Kovalchuk is as good as gone, and with so much uncertainty with Atlanta's revenue (or lack thereof) they need to try to win to sell some tickets. Bieksa and Bernier speed that process, and we get another pick as well as moving up in the first round.

Select: Erik Gudbranson.

Not sure where this guy is going to go, but he looks like a beast and is something that we could get really excited about. Captain in major junior at 16 - Gillis loves it.

UFA's

Mitchell - Walk

Demitra - Walk

Wellwood - Walk

Johnson - Walk

Pettinger - Walk

Lukowich - Re-sign (1 year, $900k/yr)

Schneider - Walk

Raycroft - Re-sign (1 year, $500k/yr)

RFA's - Sign 2-ways to those that are waiver exempt, as an ownership money-saving tactic (not that I care, but I suppose it's more realistic for guys that do not have penciled in roster spots).

Kesler - Re-sign (6 years, $26M 4.333 hit - 4, 4, 4, 4.5, 4.5, 5)

Raymond - Re-sign (4 years, $11M - 2.5, 2.5, 3, 3)

O'Brien - Re-sign (1 year, $1.8mil/yr)

Glass - Re-sign (1 year, $600k/yr)

Bolduc - Re-sign (2 years, $500k/yr, 2-way)

Bliznak - Re-sign (2 years, $500k/yr, 2-way)

Rome - Walk

Funk - Re-sign (1 year, $500k/yr, 2-way)

Free Agency:

Anton Volchenkov: 3 years, 10.5M - 3.5, 3.5, 3.5

Dan Hamhuis: 3 years, 10.5M - 3.5, 3.5, 3.5

New Lineup:

D.Sedin [6.1] - H.Sedin [6.1] - Burrows [2.0]

Raymond [2.75] - Kesler [4.333] - Grabner [.843]

Hodgson [1.696] - Berglund [1.247] - Samuelsson [2.5]

Glass [.600] - Bolduc [.500] - Rypien [.500]

Hordichuk [.775] Bliznak [.500]

Edler [3.25] - Hamhuis [3.5]

Ehrhoff [3.1] - O'Brien [1.8]

Volchenkov [3.5] - Salo [3.5]

Lukowich [.900]

Luongo [5.33]

Raycroft [0.500]

55.827

Considered buying Salo out, but maybe it's worth just suffering one more season of him as opposed to ghost cap hit.

EDIT: Bolded new acquisitions/signings and players that were not in this year's regular lineup (ie. Grabner).

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The Canucks have a fairly deep roster with a few young players who could enter the NHL. I don't see much point in signing an average free agent or two for our forward corps. Either we should go big with one signing to take our offense over the top or give the extra roster spaces to guys like Hodgson and Grabner. No point signing average veterans to fill that spot.

I like the idea of signing Hamhuis as many have mentioned. I think Mitchell has a good year or two left in him as a shut down d-men. Edler, Salo and Ehrhoff are good offensively from the back end so we can fit Mitchell in nicely as a defensive oriented guy.

At the draft: Bieksa, 1st for higher first round pick

Johnson is a great character guy who blocks shots and is defensively responsible for our fourth line.

As I said, we do not need average players, we need a star to complement all the players we have.

Option 1: Kovalchuk long term at 7 mil a year

D.Sedin [6.1] - H.Sedin [6.1] - Burrows [2.0]

Kovalchuk [7] - Kesler [4.1] - Bernier [2.0]

Raymond [2.5] - Hodgson [1.696] - Samuelsson [2.5]

Glass [.600] - Johnson [1] - Rypien [.500]

Hordichuk [.775], Grabner [in minors]

Edler [3.25] - Hamhuis [3.5]

Ehrhoff [3.1] - Salo [3.5]

O'Brien [1.75] - Rome/Lukowich/Baumgartner .6

Luongo [5.33]

Raycroft [0.500]

Cap Hit: 58.452

Defense isn't as good but offense is unreal

Could trade Grabner for a young #6 defenseman

Option 2:

Scott Niedermayer for one year at 5 million

Trade O'Brien for a draft pick

D.Sedin [6.1] - H.Sedin [6.1] - Burrows [2.0]

Raymond [2.5] - Kesler [4.1] - Grabner [.843]

Bernier [2] - Hodgson [1.696] - Samuelsson [2.5]

Glass [.600] - Johnson [1] - Rypien [.500]

Hordichuk [.775]

Niedermayer [5.0] - Ehrhoff [3.1]

Edler [3.25] - Hamhuis [3.5]

Mitchell [3] - Salo [3.5]

best d-corps in the league

Luongo [5.33]

Raycroft [0.500]

Cap Hit: 57.944

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Proposals Advice

Team Needs

Please take into account both teams' needs in terms of positions and skill. Don't fall into the trap of looking at one team's need and then fulfilling it at the expense of the other team. Both teams need to have motivation to do the trade, not just your preferred team.

Contract Status

Is the player a UFA next season? Is he signed long-term? Is he being paid more than they're worth? Does he have a NTC? Contract status is a very big part of trades, as teams tend to value players who are signed long-term more than impending UFAs. On the other hand, however, trade deadline deals more often than not are for UFAs who teams are interested in "renting" for a playoff run. Obviously, how much a player is being paid is a big part of it as well. A player who is making less than he could has significantly higher value than one who is making more than he should be. Don't forget to check if a player has a No Trade/Movement Clause in his contract. If a player has a NTC, he's very likely not going to a team which isn't a strong contender. Though things like personal connections and whether a player has played for his potential destination before, as well as the desire of the respective city, can also affect a player's decision. Chances are, however, that if the team is unlikely to make a Cup run sometime during the remaining years on the player's contract, the player would rather stay home.

Salary Cap

To go along with contract status, looking at a team's Cap status in relation to the price of the contracts being moved is a must. If a team doesn't have room to make a trade, the trade doesn't happen, simple as that. Along the same lines, teams often have a self-imposed Salary Cap. Do your best to find out what payroll a team is looking to operate at. Don't forget, not only is there a Salary Ceiling, but there's also a Salary Floor. A team cannot go below the Salary Floor in the same way they cannot go above the Ceiling. You can use the fact that contracts are pro-rated to your advantage if necessary. For example, a trade halfway through the season would only move the remaining half of the player's contract that has yet to be paid. So even if a team doesn't have enough room for a player at the beginning of the season, they may have room for him at the trade deadline.

Finally, don't just look at contracts for one year; if a contract will put a team over the cap for next year, or cuff them in terms of re-signing players with expiring contracts, they likely won't do it. Obviously this doesn't apply to UFA rentals.

Team Goals

All teams are trying to win a Stanley Cup, but not all of them are doing it in the same way. Some are happy with their rosters and not looking to make a trade, some are geared up for a Cup run and looking to make minor tweaks, others are retooling, and again others are looking to rebuild entirely. Not all of these teams are looking for the same thing in trades. A team who wants to make a Cup run isn't going to trade their star for picks and/or prospects, while a team that's rebuilding isn't going to be looking to trade their future for a trade deadline rental. Figure out what the team's looking to do, then make your proposal accordingly.

Draft Picks

Not all draft picks are alike. A 1st from one team in one year would not be the same as a 1st from another team in another year. Obviously, team placement in the final standings affect the quality of the draft pick, so a higher ranked team would have lower quality draft picks than a lower ranked team. Also, different draft years are different quality. Some drafts are very top heavy, with the first 5 picks or so being quality, but have it drop off significantly. In drafts like this, picks that aren't likely to be in this top 5 are not nearly as good as ones that are likely to place in the top.

Draft picks are not always the quick fix solution to make up the difference in a trade, so think about the value of a pick with regards to the developement time and the likely skill level of the resulting player. This, again, varies by draft and team, so be careful.

Prospects

Do not overrate potential; teams prefer proven, young talent over unproven prospects. Don't fall into the trap of thinking anyone is a sure bet to make it big, as players like Alexander Daigle and Patrick Stefan show that even top picks can miss. There are many prospects who don't make it to the NHL, even ones who seem like sure bets, so don't think if you can throw enough prospects at one team, it will land you a top player in return.

Franchise Players

Much like trading for top prospects, there are many established players who are very unlikely to be traded from their team. You need to recognize which players are deemed as franchise players by the team, and then steer clear of them.

Multi-Way Trades

Trades that involve more than 2 teams can be especially tricky, as it adds more players to the equation, and that makes it much tougher to estimate the value of what each team gives up and receives. It can help if you break each team's involvement up into "[Team] Receives" and "[Team] Gives Up." This will help how good well balanced the trade is as far as each team's return on their players.

Rules

"Homerism"

Just because a player plays for your team, doesn't mean he's better than he would be if he played elsewhere. Be very careful when evaluating your own players, too often posters overvalue their own players and pay a price for it.

"Quantity=Quality"

Sending a bunch of trash players to one team will not net the other team a star. If you want quality, you need to give quality in return, it's that simple.

"It Worked in "enter video game title here"

This is not video game hockey, so you can't simply see if a trade works in a video game and decide it's a good trade. There are so many factors that video games don't take into account that you need to.

Spelling and Grammar

Spend some time making your post correct, like capitals and periods. Also, please try to avoid spelling the players name incorrect or large amount of words incorrectly.

Take Criticism for What it is

If you make a proposal that isn't quite right, chances are you'll get some criticism and advice to make it better. Do not take it personally, and attack or flame the user this goes both ways.

Topic/Post structure

Please avoid using all capitals for your topic title, and for the Topic Title make sure you label the teams involved like this: ex. [Proposal] VAN - ATL For the Topic Description, give us a little sneak peak if you wish.

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