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#1 The.Burrowers

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Posted 14 November 2009 - 12:03 AM

When was the last time the canucks had a top line centre who is good enough to play for team canada?

Both these lifelong contracts will be moved for the other.

Luongo does it because he likes it in Florida, and he probably has some friends on the team. Playing behind Victor Hedman and Steven Stamkos will also be appealing.

They're both not meeting immediate expectations for what their worth is, and although the TB owners (or at least one) has a stiff for him it is a trade that MAKES SENSE for both clubs.

I don't want to see Lu go, nor do I care about this. I personally could see Gillis sticking with a young AMAZING goalie in Corey Schnedier and he will get his 9 games for sure. Why trade him when he has a lower value than Luongo.

Yay or Nay is fine. If not, then I ask with more impressive play, what can Schneider haul in? veterans (jason arnott would be nice)? prospects? picks?

the leafs are an interesting team... we could maybe poach a few decent players for him and our 1st. Burke is sure to want at least one or two other nucks he picked. Jason Blake?
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Posted 14 November 2009 - 12:17 AM

I woudln't do it.

Besides Luongo has a no trade clause..

Taking in Lecavaliers 7 million + contract will kill us..
Luongo will only be 5.3 million in caphit which is much more managable.
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Posted 14 November 2009 - 12:18 AM

I would run if I were you.
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Posted 14 November 2009 - 12:20 AM

Luongo for Lecavalier, Stamkos, St.Louis, Stamkos, and Hedman and we could talk.
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Posted 14 November 2009 - 12:34 AM

DO IT GILLIS DO IT
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Posted 14 November 2009 - 12:36 AM

Luongo for Lecavalier, Stamkos, St.Louis, Stamkos, and Hedman and we could talk.


Two Stamkos isn't enough.
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Posted 14 November 2009 - 12:44 AM

Two Stamkos isn't enough.


LOL throw in another Hedman and we might have a deal :lol:
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Posted 14 November 2009 - 10:16 AM

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For the past seasons, Lecavalier hasnt even been better than H.Sedin, ala last in the league.

Luongo is a much more valuable player imo. both are signed at life long deals, but Lecavalier has a 7.3 million cap hit, while Luongo hsa a 5.333 million cap hit.
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Posted 14 November 2009 - 10:45 AM

When was the last time the canucks had a top line centre who is good enough to play for team canada?

Both these lifelong contracts will be moved for the other.

Luongo does it because he likes it in Florida, and he probably has some friends on the team. Playing behind Victor Hedman and Steven Stamkos will also be appealing.

They're both not meeting immediate expectations for what their worth is, and although the TB owners (or at least one) has a stiff for him it is a trade that MAKES SENSE for both clubs.

I don't want to see Lu go, nor do I care about this. I personally could see Gillis sticking with a young AMAZING goalie in Corey Schnedier and he will get his 9 games for sure. Why trade him when he has a lower value than Luongo.

Yay or Nay is fine. If not, then I ask with more impressive play, what can Schneider haul in? veterans (jason arnott would be nice)? prospects? picks?

the leafs are an interesting team... we could maybe poach a few decent players for him and our 1st. Burke is sure to want at least one or two other nucks he picked. Jason Blake?



At this point I don't know if he will be on the team.


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That would be my forward core right there.VL has not impressed this season.He has 1 goal and even last year was a little bit down for him.
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Posted 24 January 2010 - 09:54 PM

Post your Canuck Roster/Off-Season changes if you don't want to make a thread, here, or if you have a line-up change suggestion, post it here as well.

To PHILADELPHIA: Cory Schneider, 1st round pick
To VANCOUVER: Ryan Parent, 2nd round pick

Philadelphia gets their top-notch goal-tending prospect, and a 1st round pick, Vancouver gets its top-notch defensive prospect, and a 2nd round pick.

RE-SIGN: Ryan Parent (3 years, 1.45 million)
RE-SIGN: Willie Mitchell (2 years, 3 million)
RE-SIGN: Mason Raymond (3 years, 2.5 million)
RE-SIGN: Jannik Hansen (1 year, .550 k)
RE-SIGN: Tanner Glass (2 years, .500 k)
RE-SIGN:
Alexander Bolduc (2 years, .550 k)
RE-SIGN: Andrew Raycroft (1 year, .600 k)
RE-SIGN: Shane O'Brien (2 years, 1.8 million)

To FLORIDA: Steve Bernier, Kevin Bieksa
To VANCOUVER: Shawn Matthias, Jason Garrison

RE-SIGN: Jason Garrison (2 years, .800 k)

Then send to minors.

Florida gets two physical players. I think they want to change up their team, and by adding Steve Bernier and Kevin Bieksa, and already having Horton, Ballard, McCabe and Allen - you have a fierce group right their.

SIGN: Noah Welch (1 year, .500k)

Daniel Sedin [6.1] - Henrik Sedin [6.1] - Alexander Burrows [2]
Mason Raymond [2.5] - Ryan Kesler [5] - Mikael Samuelsson [2.5]
Shawn Matthias [.822] - Cody Hodgson [.875] - Jannik Hansen [.550]
Tanner Glass [.500] - Alexander Bolduc [.550] - Rick Rypien [.500]
Mario Bliznak [.500]

Willie Mitchell [3] - Sami Salo [3.5]
Ryan Parent [1.45] - Alexander Edler [3.25]
Christian Ehrhoff [3.1] - Shane O'Brien [1.8]
Andrew Alberts [1.05]
Noah Welch [.500]


Roberto Luongo [5.33]
Andrew Raycroft [.600]

CAP HIT - 51.577 (including 3 spares)
CAP SPACE -
5.223

Basically same forward group from this year (which has been excellent), with an improved (hopefully) Michael Grabner, and a healthy back of Cody Hodgson.

Ryan Parent > Kevin Bieksa. Parent seems like the perfect partner for Edler.

With 5.223 million dollars of cap-space, we could add a solid 3rd line center. Also with this much cap-space, it could be possible, that we negate the 'Shane O'Brien' signing, and have 7.023 cap-space, and sign a #1 defenseman such as - Scott Niedermayer, Anton Volchenkov, Pavel Kubina or Sergei Gonchar. It could also be possible we negate the Willie Mitchell signing, and a top 4 defenseman like Dan Hamhuis, Zybnek Michalek or anyone else still available July 1st.
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Posted 24 January 2010 - 10:47 PM

Sedin - Sedin - Burrows
Raymond - Kesler - Samuelsson
Grabner - Hodgeson/Wandell - Bernier
Glass - Reasoner - Rypien
**Hordichuk

Salo - Mitchell
Edler - Ehrhoff
Bieksa - O'Brien
*Baumgartner or Lukowich
**Rome or another 8th defenseman

Luongo
Raycroft if he decides to re-sign or else wait till 2nd-3rd week of UFA and take the decent goalie who is desperate for a spot(last year it was Biron, Raycroft, etc) cause then they will come cheap.



ATL:
Wellwood
M.Schneider

Van:
Reasoner
7th round pick (6th round pick if they use Schneider)

DAL:
C.Schneider
Hansen

Van:
Wandell
2nd round pick



Signings
3.0million Mitchell(3 year contract 3.5,3.0,2.5)
2.0milion O'Brien(3 year contract 2.5,2.0,1.5)
backup goalie 1 year 0.5-0.7million
0.8-1.0 million Baumgartner or Lukowich 1 year contract
0.5-0.75 million Rome or 8th defenseman 1 year contract

didn't bother to write Raymond and Kesler new contract amounts, cause quite frankly it could be anything what with Kesler's discount, Gillis's smarts and length of contract. But we should still be under the cap.
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Posted 25 January 2010 - 04:13 PM

Copying your format. :P

UFA's

Mitchell - Re-sign (2 years, $3mil/yr)
Demitra - Walk
Wellwood - Walk
Johnson - Walk
Pettinger - Walk
Lukowich - Re-sign (1 year, $900k/yr)
Schneider - Walk
Raycroft - Re-sign (1 year, $500k/yr)

RFA's

Kesler - Re-sign (4 years, $4mil/yr)
Raymond - Re-sign (4 years, $3mil/yr)
O'Brien - Re-sign (1 year, $1.8mil/yr)
Hansen - Re-sign (1 year, $700k/yr)
Glass - Re-sign (1 year, $600k/yr)
Bolduc - Re-sign (2 years, $500k/yr)
Bliznak - Re-sign (2 years, $500k/yr)
Rome - Walk
Funk - Re-sign (1 year, $500k/yr)

Trades:
Cory Schneider to Dallas for Matt Niskanen (sign 2 years, $1.5mil/yr)
Kevin Bieksa to anywhere for picks. :P


D.Sedin [6.1] - H.Sedin [6.1] - Burrows [2.0]
Raymond [3.0] - Kesler [4.0] - Grabner [.787]
Bernier [2.0] - Hodgson [.875] - Samuelsson [2.5]
Glass [.600] - Bolduc/Bliznak [.500] - Rypien [.500]
Hansen [.500]

Edler [3.25] - Mitchell [3.0]
Ehrhoff [3.1] - Niskanen [1.5]
O'Brien [1.8] - Salo [3.5]
Lukowich [.900]

Luongo [5.33]
Raycroft [0.500]

52.400

Solid lineup with enough cap space to make a move at the deadline to acquire whatever the hell we would need at that point.

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Edited by canucksfan94, 25 January 2010 - 05:09 PM.

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Posted 25 January 2010 - 04:37 PM

@ Al

I would rather see Grabner playing with the Raymond and Kesler because those three players bring speed to the team and are the fastest one team. It will be hard for the other team's second line to stop these three player because everyone is equal if we're talking about speed and speed beats everything.

Edited by canucksrule10, 25 January 2010 - 04:38 PM.

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Posted 25 January 2010 - 04:39 PM

@ Al

I would rather see Grabner playing with the Raymond and Kesler because those three players bring speed to the team and are the fastest one team. It will be hard for the other team's second line to stop these three player because everyone is equal if we're talking about speed and speed beats everything.


The line combo's aren't fixed, but Grabner will probably take the top 6 spot eventually next year, knowing Alain, and Samuelsson's streakyness.
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Posted 26 January 2010 - 01:50 AM

So you're willing to pay Niskanen 1.3M to be the 7th dman?
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Posted 26 January 2010 - 12:17 PM

Trade deadline:

To STL: Cory Schneider, Jannik Hansen

To VAN: Patrik Berglund

Too many rumors going around to warrant an explanation, Bergy is the guy I'm hoping for.

Taking a guess, we pick around 22nd overall (just for argument's sake). At the draft:

Trade:

To ATL: Kevin Bieksa, Steve Bernier, 2010 1st (22nd overall)

To VAN: 2010 1st (6th overall), 2010 3rd (76th overall)

It is no secret that Kovalchuk is as good as gone, and with so much uncertainty with Atlanta's revenue (or lack thereof) they need to try to win to sell some tickets. Bieksa and Bernier speed that process, and we get another pick as well as moving up in the first round.

Select: Erik Gudbranson.

Not sure where this guy is going to go, but he looks like a beast and is something that we could get really excited about. Captain in major junior at 16 - Gillis loves it.

UFA's

Mitchell - Walk
Demitra - Walk
Wellwood - Walk
Johnson - Walk
Pettinger - Walk
Lukowich - Re-sign (1 year, $900k/yr)
Schneider - Walk
Raycroft - Re-sign (1 year, $500k/yr)

RFA's - Sign 2-ways to those that are waiver exempt, as an ownership money-saving tactic (not that I care, but I suppose it's more realistic for guys that do not have penciled in roster spots).

Kesler - Re-sign (6 years, $26M 4.333 hit - 4, 4, 4, 4.5, 4.5, 5)
Raymond - Re-sign (4 years, $11M - 2.5, 2.5, 3, 3)
O'Brien - Re-sign (1 year, $1.8mil/yr)
Glass - Re-sign (1 year, $600k/yr)
Bolduc - Re-sign (2 years, $500k/yr, 2-way)
Bliznak - Re-sign (2 years, $500k/yr, 2-way)
Rome - Walk
Funk - Re-sign (1 year, $500k/yr, 2-way)

Free Agency:

Anton Volchenkov: 3 years, 10.5M - 3.5, 3.5, 3.5
Dan Hamhuis: 3 years, 10.5M - 3.5, 3.5, 3.5

New Lineup:

D.Sedin [6.1] - H.Sedin [6.1] - Burrows [2.0]
Raymond [2.75] - Kesler [4.333] - Grabner [.843]
Hodgson [1.696] - Berglund [1.247] - Samuelsson [2.5]
Glass [.600] - Bolduc [.500] - Rypien [.500]
Hordichuk [.775] Bliznak [.500]

Edler [3.25] - Hamhuis [3.5]
Ehrhoff [3.1] - O'Brien [1.8]
Volchenkov [3.5] - Salo [3.5]
Lukowich [.900]

Luongo [5.33]
Raycroft [0.500]

55.827

Considered buying Salo out, but maybe it's worth just suffering one more season of him as opposed to ghost cap hit.

EDIT: Bolded new acquisitions/signings and players that were not in this year's regular lineup (ie. Grabner).

Edited by GrassyPonderous, 26 January 2010 - 12:21 PM.

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Posted 26 January 2010 - 12:22 PM

1. At deadline, Get Gillis to pull an Ehrhoff and get Kaberle for cheap.

2. At deadline, Get Gillis to pull an Ehrhoff and get Backes for cheap.

3. Win Cup
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Posted 26 January 2010 - 11:09 PM

Trade deadline:

To STL: Cory Schneider, Jannik Hansen

To VAN: Patrik Berglund

Too many rumors going around to warrant an explanation, Bergy is the guy I'm hoping for.

Taking a guess, we pick around 22nd overall (just for argument's sake). At the draft:

Trade:

To ATL: Kevin Bieksa, Steve Bernier, 2010 1st (22nd overall)

To VAN: 2010 1st (6th overall), 2010 3rd (76th overall)

It is no secret that Kovalchuk is as good as gone, and with so much uncertainty with Atlanta's revenue (or lack thereof) they need to try to win to sell some tickets. Bieksa and Bernier speed that process, and we get another pick as well as moving up in the first round.

Select: Erik Gudbranson.

Not sure where this guy is going to go, but he looks like a beast and is something that we could get really excited about. Captain in major junior at 16 - Gillis loves it.

UFA's

Mitchell - Walk
Demitra - Walk
Wellwood - Walk
Johnson - Walk
Pettinger - Walk
Lukowich - Re-sign (1 year, $900k/yr)
Schneider - Walk
Raycroft - Re-sign (1 year, $500k/yr)

RFA's - Sign 2-ways to those that are waiver exempt, as an ownership money-saving tactic (not that I care, but I suppose it's more realistic for guys that do not have penciled in roster spots).

Kesler - Re-sign (6 years, $26M 4.333 hit - 4, 4, 4, 4.5, 4.5, 5)
Raymond - Re-sign (4 years, $11M - 2.5, 2.5, 3, 3)
O'Brien - Re-sign (1 year, $1.8mil/yr)
Glass - Re-sign (1 year, $600k/yr)
Bolduc - Re-sign (2 years, $500k/yr, 2-way)
Bliznak - Re-sign (2 years, $500k/yr, 2-way)
Rome - Walk
Funk - Re-sign (1 year, $500k/yr, 2-way)

Free Agency:

Anton Volchenkov: 3 years, 10.5M - 3.5, 3.5, 3.5
Dan Hamhuis: 3 years, 10.5M - 3.5, 3.5, 3.5

New Lineup:

D.Sedin [6.1] - H.Sedin [6.1] - Burrows [2.0]
Raymond [2.75] - Kesler [4.333] - Grabner [.843]
Hodgson [1.696] - Berglund [1.247] - Samuelsson [2.5]
Glass [.600] - Bolduc [.500] - Rypien [.500]
Hordichuk [.775] Bliznak [.500]

Edler [3.25] - Hamhuis [3.5]
Ehrhoff [3.1] - O'Brien [1.8]
Volchenkov [3.5] - Salo [3.5]
Lukowich [.900]

Luongo [5.33]
Raycroft [0.500]

55.827

Considered buying Salo out, but maybe it's worth just suffering one more season of him as opposed to ghost cap hit.

EDIT: Bolded new acquisitions/signings and players that were not in this year's regular lineup (ie. Grabner).


Can the package of Kevin Bieksa, Steve Bernier, 2010 1st (22nd overall) fetch something better at this year's trade deadline?
Like the fact that your third line are two-way hockey players.
Really like the D-men acquisitions, but seems unlikely all that will pan out.
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Posted 27 January 2010 - 01:24 PM

The Canucks have a fairly deep roster with a few young players who could enter the NHL. I don't see much point in signing an average free agent or two for our forward corps. Either we should go big with one signing to take our offense over the top or give the extra roster spaces to guys like Hodgson and Grabner. No point signing average veterans to fill that spot.

I like the idea of signing Hamhuis as many have mentioned. I think Mitchell has a good year or two left in him as a shut down d-men. Edler, Salo and Ehrhoff are good offensively from the back end so we can fit Mitchell in nicely as a defensive oriented guy.

At the draft: Bieksa, 1st for higher first round pick

Johnson is a great character guy who blocks shots and is defensively responsible for our fourth line.

As I said, we do not need average players, we need a star to complement all the players we have.

Option 1: Kovalchuk long term at 7 mil a year
D.Sedin [6.1] - H.Sedin [6.1] - Burrows [2.0]
Kovalchuk [7] - Kesler [4.1] - Bernier [2.0]
Raymond [2.5] - Hodgson [1.696] - Samuelsson [2.5]
Glass [.600] - Johnson [1] - Rypien [.500]
Hordichuk [.775], Grabner [in minors]

Edler [3.25] - Hamhuis [3.5]
Ehrhoff [3.1] - Salo [3.5]
O'Brien [1.75] - Rome/Lukowich/Baumgartner .6

Luongo [5.33]
Raycroft [0.500]
Cap Hit: 58.452
Defense isn't as good but offense is unreal
Could trade Grabner for a young #6 defenseman

Option 2:
Scott Niedermayer for one year at 5 million
Trade O'Brien for a draft pick

D.Sedin [6.1] - H.Sedin [6.1] - Burrows [2.0]
Raymond [2.5] - Kesler [4.1] - Grabner [.843]
Bernier [2] - Hodgson [1.696] - Samuelsson [2.5]
Glass [.600] - Johnson [1] - Rypien [.500]
Hordichuk [.775]

Niedermayer [5.0] - Ehrhoff [3.1]
Edler [3.25] - Hamhuis [3.5]
Mitchell [3] - Salo [3.5]
best d-corps in the league

Luongo [5.33]
Raycroft [0.500]
Cap Hit: 57.944
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Posted 27 January 2010 - 07:09 PM

List of Players that would be difficult to acquire

Players that have NTC's



Proposals Advice

Team Needs

Please take into account both teams' needs in terms of positions and skill. Don't fall into the trap of looking at one team's need and then fulfilling it at the expense of the other team. Both teams need to have motivation to do the trade, not just your preferred team.


Contract Status

Is the player a UFA next season? Is he signed long-term? Is he being paid more than they're worth? Does he have a NTC? Contract status is a very big part of trades, as teams tend to value players who are signed long-term more than impending UFAs. On the other hand, however, trade deadline deals more often than not are for UFAs who teams are interested in "renting" for a playoff run. Obviously, how much a player is being paid is a big part of it as well. A player who is making less than he could has significantly higher value than one who is making more than he should be. Don't forget to check if a player has a No Trade/Movement Clause in his contract. If a player has a NTC, he's very likely not going to a team which isn't a strong contender. Though things like personal connections and whether a player has played for his potential destination before, as well as the desire of the respective city, can also affect a player's decision. Chances are, however, that if the team is unlikely to make a Cup run sometime during the remaining years on the player's contract, the player would rather stay home.



Salary Cap

To go along with contract status, looking at a team's Cap status in relation to the price of the contracts being moved is a must. If a team doesn't have room to make a trade, the trade doesn't happen, simple as that. Along the same lines, teams often have a self-imposed Salary Cap. Do your best to find out what payroll a team is looking to operate at. Don't forget, not only is there a Salary Ceiling, but there's also a Salary Floor. A team cannot go below the Salary Floor in the same way they cannot go above the Ceiling. You can use the fact that contracts are pro-rated to your advantage if necessary. For example, a trade halfway through the season would only move the remaining half of the player's contract that has yet to be paid. So even if a team doesn't have enough room for a player at the beginning of the season, they may have room for him at the trade deadline.

Finally, don't just look at contracts for one year; if a contract will put a team over the cap for next year, or cuff them in terms of re-signing players with expiring contracts, they likely won't do it. Obviously this doesn't apply to UFA rentals.


Team Goals

All teams are trying to win a Stanley Cup, but not all of them are doing it in the same way. Some are happy with their rosters and not looking to make a trade, some are geared up for a Cup run and looking to make minor tweaks, others are retooling, and again others are looking to rebuild entirely. Not all of these teams are looking for the same thing in trades. A team who wants to make a Cup run isn't going to trade their star for picks and/or prospects, while a team that's rebuilding isn't going to be looking to trade their future for a trade deadline rental. Figure out what the team's looking to do, then make your proposal accordingly.



Draft Picks

Not all draft picks are alike. A 1st from one team in one year would not be the same as a 1st from another team in another year. Obviously, team placement in the final standings affect the quality of the draft pick, so a higher ranked team would have lower quality draft picks than a lower ranked team. Also, different draft years are different quality. Some drafts are very top heavy, with the first 5 picks or so being quality, but have it drop off significantly. In drafts like this, picks that aren't likely to be in this top 5 are not nearly as good as ones that are likely to place in the top.

Draft picks are not always the quick fix solution to make up the difference in a trade, so think about the value of a pick with regards to the developement time and the likely skill level of the resulting player. This, again, varies by draft and team, so be careful.



Prospects

Do not overrate potential; teams prefer proven, young talent over unproven prospects. Don't fall into the trap of thinking anyone is a sure bet to make it big, as players like Alexander Daigle and Patrick Stefan show that even top picks can miss. There are many prospects who don't make it to the NHL, even ones who seem like sure bets, so don't think if you can throw enough prospects at one team, it will land you a top player in return.



Franchise Players

Much like trading for top prospects, there are many established players who are very unlikely to be traded from their team. You need to recognize which players are deemed as franchise players by the team, and then steer clear of them.


Multi-Way Trades

Trades that involve more than 2 teams can be especially tricky, as it adds more players to the equation, and that makes it much tougher to estimate the value of what each team gives up and receives. It can help if you break each team's involvement up into "[Team] Receives" and "[Team] Gives Up." This will help how good well balanced the trade is as far as each team's return on their players.


Rules





"Homerism"

Just because a player plays for your team, doesn't mean he's better than he would be if he played elsewhere. Be very careful when evaluating your own players, too often posters overvalue their own players and pay a price for it.



"Quantity=Quality"

Sending a bunch of trash players to one team will not net the other team a star. If you want quality, you need to give quality in return, it's that simple.



"It Worked in "enter video game title here"

This is not video game hockey, so you can't simply see if a trade works in a video game and decide it's a good trade. There are so many factors that video games don't take into account that you need to.



Spelling and Grammar

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Take Criticism for What it is

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Topic/Post structure

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Posted 04 February 2010 - 09:26 PM

In a perfect world:

To Vancouver:
Patrik Berglund
Alex Pietrangelo

To St.Louis:
Jannik Hansen
Jordan Schroeder
2010 3rd rounder


To Vancouver:
Steve Ott
Tom Wandell
Matt Niskanen


To Dallas:
Cory Schneider
Kevin Bieksa
Steve Bernier
Darcy Hordichuk

Waive Wellfed Down To Manitoba...

D.Sedin (6.1), H.Sedin (6.1), Burrows (2.0)
Raymond (.883), Kesler (1.750), Berglund (1.246)
Demitra (4.000), Wandell (.600), Samuelsson (2.5)
Rypien (.550), Johnson (1.100), Ott (1.425)
Glass (.500)

Sami Salo (3.5), Willie Mitchell (3.5)
Shane O'Brien (1.6), Christian Erhoff (3.1)
Matt Niskanen (.850), Alex Edler (3.25)
Brad Lukowich (1.566)/Alex Pietrangelo (3.195)

Roberto Luongo (5.333)
Andrew Raycroft (.500)

Payroll: $55,148,333 Cap Space: $1,651,667

Without Peitrangelo In The Line-up:

Payroll: $51,953,333 Cap Space: $4,846,667

Off Season Signings:
Kesler - 4 years/18m
Raymond - 3 years/7.5m
Glass - 2 years/1.5m
Ott - 4 years/8.8m
Hamuis - 3 years/3m
O'brien - 1 year/1.85m
Bolduc - 2 years/1.5m
Raycroft - 1 year/0.5m
Niskanen - 3 years/3.6m
Wandell - 2 years/2m

Let Walk:
Mitchell
Johnson
Wellwood
Demitra
Lukowich

2010-2011 Canucks:

D.Sedin (6.1), H.Sedin (6.1), Burrows (2.0)
Raymond (2.5), Kesler (4.5), Berglund (1.246)
Grabner (.843), Hodgson (1.695)/Wandell(1.0), Samuelsson (2.5)
Glass (.750), Rypien (.550), Ott (2.2)
Bolduc (.700)

Sami Salo (3.5), Dan Hamuis (3.0)
Shane O'Brien (1.85), Christian Erhoff (3.1)
Alex Edler (3.25), Alex Pietrangelo (3.195)
Matt Niskanen (1.2)

Roberto Luongo (5.333)
Andrew Raycroft (.500)

Payroll: $57,613,499 Cap Space: $36,501

And remember, You heard it here first!


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#22 EternalCanuckFan

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Posted 05 February 2010 - 07:33 AM

With the Kovalchuk trade, New Jersey is probably looking for defensive help. Assuming they don't find something equivalent to Oduya before the trade deadline (March 3rd), maybe they would be interested in acquiring Kevin Bieksa? He should be back by March and is comparable with Oduya. The Devils also risk losing Paul Martin to free agency and are a little thin at center ice. This clears up a lot of cap room for the Canucks.

To New Jersey: Kevin Bieksa and Kyle Wellwood
To Vancouver: 2010 2nd Rd Pick and 2010 3rd Rd Pick (Or some other combination of picks/prospects)

Next, Dallas is looking for a young goalie and Cory Schneider is a name that has been associated with their interest. If they continue falling out of the playoff race, they might be more willing to part with a guy like Steve Ott who is going to be a UFA this summer. Furthermore, in order to gain a potential #1 goalie, perhaps they would be willing to give up a guy like Matt Niskanen who, despite his poor statistical season, has a lot of upside and is still very young. They will also be losing a number of forwards to age/free agency, so they might be interested in getting a reasonably priced forward back.

To Dallas: Cory Schneider and Steve Bernier
To Vancouver: Steve Ott and Matt Niskanen

Finally, the Flyers are strong down the middle but with Simon Gagne's injury history and free agency after next season, maybe they are looking for a young top-6 potential winger to join JVR and Claude Giroux. They have also been suffering injury trouble along the blue-line and might want a more experienced defenseman.

To Philadelphia: Michael Grabner, Brad Lukowich, and Ryan Johnson
To Vancouver: Braydon Coburn and Blair Betts

Vancouver Line-Up

Sedin - Sedin - Burrows
Raymond - Kesler - Samuelsson
Demitra - Ott - Hansen
Hordichuk - Betts - Rypien
Glass

Mitchell - Salo
Edler - Coburn
O'Brien - Ehrhoff
Rome - Niskanen

Luongo
Raycroft
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#23 Teemu Selšnne

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Posted 05 February 2010 - 12:14 PM

Off season

Trade one:

To Anaheim:

Bernier
Bieksa
2nd round pick 2011
Yan Sauve

To Vancouver:

Bobby Ryan

Trade two:

To Dallas:
Cory Schneider

To Vancouver:
2nd round pick 2010
Condtional 3rd round pick 2012 if Schneider puts up 20+ wins.

Signings:
Mason Raymond: 3 years: 2.5, 2.75, 2.75. Cap hit: 2.67
Ryan Kesler: 6 years: 4.1, 4.1, 4.3, 4.45, 4.5, 5. Cap hit: 4.47
Willie Mitchell: 3 years: 3.25, 3.25, 2.9. Cap hit: 3.13
Bobby Ryan: 5 years: 3.1, 3.1, 4, 4, 4.5. Cap hit: 3.74 <--- Hey, it's been said he's only looking for Versteeg like money.
Shane O'Brien: 1 year: 1.75
Jannik Hansen: 1 year: 600,000
Rob Niedermayer:1 year: 600,000
Scott Niedermayer: 2 years: 4, 3 Cap hit: 3.5 million. <--- He's slowing down + hometown discount
Andrew Raycroft: 1 year: 550,000
Dennis Endras: 1 year: 2 way: 60,000/500,000 <--- Replaces Schneider as third/Moose goalie.
Alex Bolduc: 1 year: 500,000.
Anders Eriksson: 1 year: 500,000.

Waive: Darcy Hordichuk.

Sedin (6.1) - Sedin (6.1) - Burrows (2)
Raymond (2.67) Kesler (4.41) - Ryan (3.74)
Grabner/Shiro (833,000) - Hodgson (875,000) - Samuelsson (2.5)
Rypien (550,000) - Niedermayer (600,000) - Hansen (600,000)
Bolduc (500,000)

Niedermayer (3.5) - Mitchell (3.13)
Ehrhoff (3.1) - O'Brien (1.75)
Salo (3.5) - Edler (3.25)
Eriksson/Other UFA (500,000)

Luongo (5.33)
Raycroft (550,00)

Cap hit: 56.038

Pretty close to the cap, but this includes a depth player at each position. We would still have depth on the farm, too: Oberg, Bliznak, Grabner/Shiro, Ellington, Endras, etc.

Raymond - Kesler - Ryan would be absolutely amazing. Our defense would be our best defense ever.
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Posted 05 February 2010 - 09:54 PM

my lines for 2010 - 2011 season

Daniel sedin - Henrik sedin - Alex burrows

Mason raymond - ryan kesler - mikael samuelsson

Todd bertuzzi - cody hodgson - Marek Savtos or Brendan morrison

Rick rypien - ryan johnson - Steve ott



Kevin bieska - Christian ehrhoff

Sami salo - Alex edler

Shane o brien - Dan hamhius

Roberto luongo
Andrew raycroft

Edited by canucksroll, 05 February 2010 - 09:55 PM.

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#25 TheEhrhoffEffect

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Posted 06 February 2010 - 03:41 PM

Re-Sign Kesler to a 6 year deal @ 4.5 per season
Re-Sign Raymond to a 3 year deal @ 2.5 per season
Re-Sign Glass to a 2 year deal @ $600,000 per season
Re-Sign Mitchell to a 2 year deal @ 2.75 mil per season
Re-Sign Raycroft to a 1 year deal @ $600,000
Re-Sign Hansen to a 1 year deal @ $650,000


Trades:
To Vancouver:
Matt Niskanen

To Dallas:
Cory Schneider

Sign Niskanen to a 3 year deal worth 2 mil per season.


To Vancouver:
Bobby Ryan

To Anaheim:
Kevin Bieksa
Michael Grabner
Steve Bernier
2nd round draft pick- 2011

Sign Bobby Ryan to a 5 year deal worth 5 mil per season


Signings:
Sign Dan Hamhuis to a 4 year deal worth 3.5 mil per season
Sign Manny Malhotra to a 1 year deal worth $825,000


Sedin (6.1)- Sedin (6.1)- Burrows (2)
Raymond (2.5)- Kesler (4.5)- Ryan (5)
Samuelsson (2.5)- Hodgson (0.875)- Hansen (0.650)
Glass (0.600)- Malhotra (0.825)- Rypien (0.550)

Ehrhoff (3.1)- Edler (3.25)
Mitchell (2.75)- Salo (3.5)
Hamhuis (3)-Niskanen (2)

Luongo (5.33)
Raycroft (0.600)

Cap Hit: 55.730 mil.
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#26 GrassyPonderous

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Posted 09 February 2010 - 07:55 AM

I love the proposals for Bobby Ryan, like JIMP love, but there's no way we acquire him and sign him for more than Kesler. Horrible, horrible way to treat Kesler.

If we give Kesler 4.5, we give Ryan 4.5 tops. I don't think that's impossible, but I feel if we were able to somehow pry him away from Anaheim, then Kesler's salary >= Ryan's salary.
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Posted 10 February 2010 - 02:42 PM

For this season-

Trade -
Schneider
Bieksa
Hansen/Grabner
3rd rounder

To St.Louis for-
Backes
Coliacovo


Sedin-Sedin-Burrows
Raymond-Kesler-Samuelsson
Bernier-Backes-Demitra
Rypien-Johnson-Glass
extras-Hordichuk/Grabner/Hansen

Mitchell-Salo
Coliacovo-Erhoff
Shane O-Edler

Luo
Razor

In the offseason-
Let walk-
Demitra
Johnson
Coliacovo

Sign-
Hamuis- 3.25mil/4 years
Burish- 1.5mil/2 years

Resign-
Kesler-4.5mil/5 years
Mitchell-3mil/2 years
Raymond-2.5mil/4 years
Glass-.6mil/2 years
Razor-.6mil/2 years

Sedin 6.1-Sedin 6.1-Burrow 2 -------- =14.2mil
Raymond 2.5-Hodgson 1.7-Kesler 4.5--- =8.7mil
Bernier 2-Backes 2.5-Samuelsson 2.5-- =7mil
Rypien .55-Burish 1.5- Glass .6mil--- =2.65 mil Forwards cap hit= 32.55mil

Mitchell 3-Hamuis 3.25-------------- =6.25mil
Salo 3.5-Edler 3.25----------------- =6.75mil
Shane O 1.6-Erhoff 3.1-------------- =4.7mil Defence's cap hit= 17.7mil

Bobby Luo 5.33mil
Razor .6mil Goalies cap hit= 5.93mil

Total cap hit= 56.21 million

There are options to save money with the signings or on the fourth line with Burrish. If we needed cap space we could trade Shane O and bring up one of our young guys, the same could be done with Bernier.
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Posted 11 February 2010 - 05:36 PM

The following is a pipe dream that I would like to introduce to get some discussion going.

Sedin Sedin Burrows
???? ????? ????
???? ????? Samuelsson
???? ????? Rypien

Edler Erhoff
Salo Bieksa
???? ????

Luongo
??????

Resign Raycroft at 1.1m/2 years
Resign Raymond at 7m/3 years
Resign Mitchell at 9m/3 years
Resign Kesler at 16m/4 years
Resign Hansen at 850k/1year

Sign Patrick Marleau 45million/8 years (front loaded)
Sign Dan Hamhuis 8m/ 3 years

Trade

Bieksa, Schnieder, Bernier, 1st round pick 2010
for
Pietrangelo and 2nd round in 2010 and 3rd in 2011

St.Louis gets the goaltender they desperately need as well as a top 4 dman that is ready to take a leading role on the team. Bernier will increase thier depth and offensive potency as he provides a big body on the 3rd line, similar to Boyes on the 1st and Backes on the 2nd. They also get another 1st round pick.

We receive a top prospect that we can slowly bring into the system playing minimal minutes on the third pairing. We gain our second in 2010 back and gain a 3rd rounder in 2011 which can be utilizes for further trading.

Sedin Sedin Burrows
Raymond Marleau Kesler
Grabner Hodgson Samuelsson
Glass Rypien Hansen

Mitchell Hamhuis
Erhoff Salo
Edler Pietrangelo

Luongo
Raycroft

Edited by sean_p47, 11 February 2010 - 05:42 PM.

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Posted 11 February 2010 - 06:04 PM

Just get Nathan Horton somehow.
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Posted 13 February 2010 - 08:22 PM

Post your Canuck Roster/Off-Season changes if you don't want to make a thread, here, or if you have a line-up change suggestion, post it here as well.

My off-season changes;

UFA's


Mitchell - Walk unless one of the trade fails.
Demitra - Walk
Wellwood - Walk, unless Cody Hodgson still has a set-back.
Johnson - Walk, unless he can take a paycut.
Pettinger - Walk
Lukowich - Walk, unless he doesn't mind playing in the AHL.
Schneider - Walk, and good riddance.
Raycroft - Re-sign at .500, or get a different back-up at similar cost.

RFA's

Kesler - Re-sign at 4.1 million, over 7 years, Brendan Morrow type contract
Raymond - Re-sign at 2.5 million, over 3 years, could be more, but seems reasonable
O'Brien - Re-sign at 2 million for 3 years.
Hansen - Retain at similar cost, or trade his rights.
Glass - Re-sign at .500, 2 years.
Bolduc - Re-sign at .500, 2 years.
Bliznak - Re-sign at .500, 3 years.
Rome - Re-sign at .500, 1 year.
Funk - Re-sign at .500, 3 years.

UFA target


Hamhuis

Trade target


Seabrook
Niskanen


Sign Hamhuis at 3.25 million dollars, over 4 years.
Trade Schroeder, 1st for Seabrook (If Chicago is DESPERATE for clearing cap)
Trade Schneider, Bieksa for Niskanen, 2nd
Sign Niskanen, 2 years, 2.6 million.

D.Sedin [6.1] - H.Sedin [6.1] - Burrows [2.0]
Raymond [2.5] - Kesler [4.1] - Samuelsson [2.5]
Bernier [2.0] - Hodgson [.875] - Grabner [.787]
Glass [.500] - Bolduc [.500] - Rypien [.500]
Hansen [.500]

Edler [3.25] - Seabrook [3.5]
Ehrhoff [3.1] - Hamhuis [3.25]
O'Brien [2] - Salo [3.5]
Niskanen [1.3], Additional [.500]

Luongo [5.33]
Raycroft [.500]

55.242

If Seabrook trade fails, we can keep Willie Mitchell.

ASSETS:


Realistically the same top 6, with a different 3rd line. Excellent defense with a new young core of Edler, Seabrook, Ehrhoff, Hamhuis, O'Brien and Niskanen. Still got good old' Bobby Luo in net, and guys like Kesler, Raymond, Grabner, Bernier, Edler, Ehrhoff, O'Brien are only going to get better.

FLAWS:

Seabrook trade may not go through, therefore, Mitchell would be retained at 2.75 million (which would save cap) If Seabrook trade does go through, there is little cap-space, but the cap hit is with all the additionals on the roster. 3rd line may be a little soft, and inexperienced. No 1st round pick and Jordan Schroeder.

So basically without Seabrook -

D.Sedin [6.1] - H.Sedin [6.1] - Burrows [2.0]
Raymond [2.5] - Kesler [4.1] - Samuelsson [2.5]
Bernier [2.0] - Hodgson [.875] - Grabner [.787]
Glass [.500] - Bolduc [.500] - Rypien [.500]
Hansen [.500]

Edler [3.25] - Hamhuis [3.25]
Ehrhoff [3.1] - O'Brien [2]
Mitchell [2.75] - Salo [3.5]
Niskanen [1.3], Additional [.500]

Luongo [5.33]
Raycroft [.500]

54.492

Could drop down Hodgson [.875], which would give us a cap-hit of 53.617, so approximately 2 million for a 3rd line center. If we could get one at the one million range, then we'd be set.

Well's here mine, looking forward to seeing yours.

Why would you want to give all that up for Matt Niskanen, only to have him as a 7th defenseman??
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