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[SidneyRaymond]

EDIT: THIS IS A STUPID TOPIC THAT I POSTED. SORRY FOR ALL THIS BS.

Why did the Canucks trade so many draft picks away in the past couple of years?

Draft picks traded:

2000 draft: 2nd round + 4th round
2001 draft: 2nd round + 6th round + 9th round
2002 draft: 1st round + 6th round
2003 draft: 3rd round + 9th round
2004 draft: 2nd round + 7th round
2005 draft: 3rd round
2006 draft: 2nd round + 4th round + 5th round
2007 draft: 3rd round + 4th round
2008 draft: 3rd round + 4th round

EDIT: 1st rounders

2000 draft: nathan smith, could've drafted steve ott, jason williams, or niklas kronwall
2001 draft: r.j. umberger, pretty good.
2002 draft: traded for Linden, good trade.
2003 draft: ryan kesler, could've drafted mike richards, corey perry but kesler is decent
2004 draft: cory schneider, could've drafted mike green, but now that we have luongo, he's good trade bait
2005 draft: luc bourdon, sadly he had an accident, pretty decent dman, could've drafted anze kopitar or marc staal
2006 draft: micheal grabner, good draft at the time
2007 draft: patrick white, BAD draft, could've drafted david perron, but patrick white got us ehrhoff!
2008 draft: cody hodgson, decent draft, could've gotten tyler myers, erik karlsson, luca sbisa

IMO, canucks draft picking is average..
If it was perfect drafting.........

sedin-sedin-burrows
raymond-kopitar(2005)-corey perry(2003)
demitra-ott(2000)-samuelsson
rypien-johnson-bernier

mike green(2004)-mitchell
ehrhoff-myers(2008)
salo-elder

scratches: SOB, bieksa, hordichuk, grabner, glass

haha, that'd be sick. too bad there is such thing called salary cap.

Edited by SidneyRaymond, 30 January 2010 - 09:50 PM.

[Opmac]

Take a look: http://www.prosports...ey/DraftTrades/


And you will know why.

[n00bxQb]

What a terrible trade ... We could have had Boyd Gordon and Zach Stortini instead of that bum Trevor Linden for 5 years.

[/sarcasm]

[SidneyRaymond]

【Opmac】, on 30 January 2010 - 12:15 AM, said:

Take a look: http://www.prosports...ey/DraftTrades/

And you will know why.

Thanks.

[n00bxQb]

Maple Leafs trade:

- 2011: Round 2 (TOR)
- 2011: Round 3 (TOR)

Blackhawks trade:

- 2010: Round 2 (TOR)

Maple Leafs trade:

- 2010: Round 1 (TOR)
- 2010: Round 2 (TOR)
- 2011: Round 1 (TOR)

Bruins trade:

- Phil Kessel

Net result:

Toronto only has 3rd, 5th, 6th, and 7th picks in 2010 (and may or may not have NYR's 4th from the Antropov trade).
Toronto only has 4th, 5th, 6th, 7th, and Anaheim's 6th (unless Pogge, by some miracle, starts playing games for them, which could put it as high as 3rd) in 2011.

Good luck w/ the rebuild, TO.

[Ace of Spades]

Brian Burke and Dave Nonis were in charge.

Those two are both highly allergic to any type of draft picks, but mainly to the dreaded 2nd rounders.

[Canucks1207]

I'd rather have hodgson then any of those guys... Hes gonna be a star... People dont realize he was a superstar in his league and should have been MVP at the World Juniors

[Canuckfan_downunder]

i remember them days, but if you look at the trades and prospects of those picks traded...

id say we've done better then average except for one occasion....UMBERGER

only blemish on burke

[SidneyRaymond]

Canucks1207, on 30 January 2010 - 01:49 AM, said:

I'd rather have hodgson then any of those guys... Hes gonna be a star... People dont realize he was a superstar in his league and should have been MVP at the World Juniors

Canucks should've sucked more that year so we could've gotten doughty, bogosian, or pietrangelo...
but hodgson is pretty good, dont know if he can be as good in his league as in the NHL.

Edited by SidneyRaymond, 30 January 2010 - 02:16 AM.

[bieksa3-]

It's quite easy to go back and say why didn't we pick certain players. But let's get one thing straight, if I could redo that Bourdon draft, I'd still pick Luc.

[pwnstar]

were good for the time being.
im still waitin to see what trades might emerge this season ( if any)
ANYONE NOW ANYTHING ABOUT POTENTIAL TRADES???? NOT IMAGINED FANTASY TRADES
LIKE REAL IDEAS FROM THE ORGANIZATION


or do they keep that on the D>L?

silly question but yah


lets make it 7 straight tonight

[Barney Stinson]

Jesus, show some respect man.

RIP Luc, you'd look great with Ehrhoff right now

[mtwideen1]

I wouldn't have taken Myers over Hodgson. It is way too early to decide if it was the right move or not, but at the time, it was not even a question, in fact most people thought canucks one of the biggest steals of the draft with Hodgson. And with his following year, it was looking like they were right. Now he has a back injury and we're writing him off?

[WCE V2.0]

Why don't you go back 1 more year on that first round list, and yes did not draft the player ever year who would look the best on are current roster! who would have thought!

[Bryan McCabe.24]

Kesler is only a decent draft pick? WHAT?
Kesler will become a Mike Richards soon, and well i don't really like Perry
But Kesler was a good draft choice. You can also look back and say the GM should have drafted so and so. It's easier to say we should have drafted this player over that player, because now that they have had a chance to play in the NHL and prove themselves that they are actually good. At the time all of those players were good in the ECHL, WHL, etc.... but didn't play in the NHL yet. But now that say, David Perron has shown how good he is, it is easy to say the canucks made a mistake, but at the time Patrick White was a good player, not so much anymore. Just my 2 cents. And BTW that wasn't a very good thing to say about Bourdon, please, show some class for a fallen human being.

Edited by Bryan McCabe.24, 30 January 2010 - 03:26 AM.

[coba]

At least for most of the draft picks listed down there, the Canucks took more or less what most people initially predicted. The only weird draft is actually the Patrick White draft (this is my biggest criticism on Dave Nonis). Everyone knows at that time that Perron is the best available "safest" pick left after he already slid down on the board (I was in the sportsnet board and 9 out of 10 people there [predicted Perron while some suggested Repik or Smith or Reprecki). I still don't get it why they insisted to pick White instead (someone who will likely be available in the next round).

For comparison, assuming the draft worked as predicted in 2009, Mike Gillis was planning to grab Rodin since everyone (including him and Canucks' scout) thought that players ranked no. 15 and above has equal potential. However, when Schroeder fell down to his lap, MG decided to grab him first and prayed that Rodin wouldl still be there in the 2nd round.

[The Situation]

bieksa3-, on 30 January 2010 - 02:59 AM, said:

It's quite easy to go back and say why didn't we pick certain players. But let's get one thing straight, if I could redo that Bourdon draft, I'd still pick Luc.

I loved that Salo picture

[frazzY]

I think our poor drafting history is slowly comming to a halt.. we have a lot of good young talent on our team and in our system, gillis is doing what burke and nonis didnt..

[frazzY]

lets not forget though... its not all bad... we drafted the sedins in 99 as well

[BowTie]

Nonis' picks weren't bad:

• Schneider (what we needed back then if Nonis hadn't pulled off the Luongo trade)
• Edler (top 4 D right now)
• Hansen (still has potential to become Raymond-like)
• Raymond (top 6 right now)
• Grabner

The only "bad" pick was Patrick White, so it wasn't that bad. Bourdon's pick could be considered unwise too, since we had the TOP euro prospect of the draft drop to us at 10, but we did not pick him. I'm pretty satisfied with Nonis' picks.... so technically we drafted pretty well for the last half of the past decade. It's not as bad as some others -> IMO Benoit Pouliot at 4th? Thats way worse than Patrick White.

[Captain Cody]

Here's a history lesson for the youngins:

June 9th 1970

Grand Salon, Queen Elizabeth Hotel, Montreal.

Expansion teams, the Vancouver Canucks and Buffalo Sabres await NHL President Clarence Campbell's spin of the "Wheel of Fortune" for the 1st overall pick in the expansion draft as well as the amateur draft.

The wheel was numbered 1 to 12. Both GM's tossed a coin to see who would pick the numbers for both spins. Buffalo GM and coach Punch Imlach won and chose the high numbers (7-12). In the first spin, Imlach won when the wheel stopped at 8. Buffalo would choose first in the expansion draft. Campbell spun the wheel for the second time with it landing on number 1, meaning Vancouver would get the to choose first in the amateur draft.
The Canuck table was ecstatic until Imlach pointed out that it wasn't a 1, but two 1's one above the other, an 11. Buffalo won the 1st overall pick in both drafts and selected future Hall of Famer Gilbert Perrault in the amateur draft two days later. With the second selection, the Canucks picked defenseman Dale Talon, ex-GM and current Senior Advisor of Hockey Operations for the Chicago Blackhawks. Hall of Famer Darryl Sittler went 8th overall in the amateur draft. Pat Quinn was selected 8th overal by Vancouver in the expansion draft.

Much of our 40 years of history originated from those spins of the wheel whether or not we consider it good or bad. If you want to talk about "what could have been" then there's only one day in Canuck history you can look back on, and that's June 9th, 1970.

GO CANUCKS GO!

[dura_mater]

First of all you ask why we traded so many picks away yet you fail to uncover how many picks we've received in return for players (which would help answer your question in the first place).

Second, how can you even begin to compare our draft history with a perfect draft. You're using information 5 years AFTER the draft. If we knew how players were going to turn out we wouldn't need a draft. They'd just assign the best player to the team that picks first, next best to the 2nd drafting team etc. etc. How this simple logic escapes you is beyond me. Maybe we should have you as GM instead of MG.

[sandlak 19]

SidneyRaymond, on 30 January 2010 - 12:08 AM, said:

2003 draft: ryan kesler, could've drafted mike richards, corey perry but kesler is decent

We could have had Hugh Jessiman too!!!

We drafted the heart and soul of our team and you say we could've drafted someone else?

[sandlak 19]

canuckas, on 30 January 2010 - 04:21 AM, said:

Buffalo won the 1st overall pick in both drafts and selected future Hall of Famer Gilbert Perrault in the amateur draft two days later. With the second selection, the Canucks picked defenseman Dale Talon,

That would have been sweet to have had Gilbert Perrault as a Canuck.

[TheFleetwoodMack]

SidneyRaymond, on 30 January 2010 - 12:08 AM, said:

IMO, canucks draft picking is average..
If it was perfect drafting.........

sedin-sedin-burrows
raymond-kopitar(2005)-corey perry(2003)
demitra-ott(2000)-samuelsson
rypien-johnson-bernier

mike green(2004)-mitchell
ehrhoff-myers(2008)
salo-elder

perfect drafting would have been taking jagr with the 2nd overall pick instead of nedved

[Darkness83]

r.j. umberger, pretty good...Kesler is decent...are you on crack? They basically average the same point total, and who would you prefer to have on your team...but thats our own opinion right

[Venom52]

SidneyRaymond, on 30 January 2010 - 12:08 AM, said:

Why did the Canucks trade so many draft picks away in the past couple of years?

Just look at Toronto and look at the 2 guys that dealt 2 first rounder for Kessel. Well, those 2 were also responsible for dealing our picks like candy as well.

[DONT STOP BELIEVING!!!!!!]

we trade them to get players

[Phanta]

I would like to have your crystal ball during past years drafts.
Heres the thing about drafts you dont know, nobody knows how well the player will play in the nhl.
Examples, Daigle 1st overall look what happend to him
In the early 90's we drafted nedved before brodeur.
then look at the late rounders like Pavel Bure.
You see the thing is you never know.

[Captain Cody]

sandlak 19, on 30 January 2010 - 06:36 AM, said:

That would have been sweet to have had Gilbert Perrault as a Canuck.

Getting the first pick and taking Perrault would obviously change the entire course of Canuck history as well as the NHL's history.

But what's done is done, and here we are now with 2 Stanley Cup Final appearances and probably the best team we've ever iced with a good chance at making it our 3rd appearance. Third time's a charm, right?