Sultan of Sarcasm Posted May 3, 2010 Share Posted May 3, 2010 Let me first make it clear that I am a big fan of Mason Raymond, and have been for a couple of years. I'm glad his hands and head have caught up to his feet. With that said... If he isn't going to take a 2 year $4.5M-$5M contract, MG should trade him. It's only going to take a couple of years for a few of our young guys to catch up to Mason and make his place on this team redundant. He's a great player with some terrific upside to him, but his place on this team is threatened by other players of equal skill that are coming up through the system. I still think we need him here for the next two years, but beyond that he won't be as useful as he is now. I suggest we trade him rather than let him sign with another team. I realize that we would get some picks back for him if he does sign, but that won't solve the issue of needing his skillset (or a similar skillset) in the next couple of years. With all that said, I think it's likely he will sign a 2 year deal for $4.75M and then he will sign with another team after that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canada Hockey Place Posted May 3, 2010 Share Posted May 3, 2010 Dubinsky (NYR) and Stafford (BUF) went to arbitration as RFAs last season. Both re-signed for under 2M for 2 years. Similar? Maybe slightly higher. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dogbyte Posted May 3, 2010 Share Posted May 3, 2010 I'm hoping that some crazy GM will throw a 5mil+/year offer-sheet to Raymond, lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Village Posted May 3, 2010 Share Posted May 3, 2010 2yr @ 2.5m/yr(ish) without a NMC/NTC. This way his contract is up the same time as Samuelsson. We can then choose to lock up one or the other (unlikely we can afford both) and by then some of our younger talent should be getting ready to slide in and take over roles for cheap. He's also viable trade bait if he takes a step back, some up and comer outplays him or we have a gap on defense that we need to fill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheWheeler Posted May 3, 2010 Share Posted May 3, 2010 Along the lines others have stated, anything over 2.5mil is too much. This is NOT the Islanders/Panthers where our players can afford to have inflated contracts. Vancouver is a team that has to play it so close to the cap its not even funny. With that said, if he stays, 2 years at 2.5 I am ok with. I would RATHER it be at 2mil. Heck, I would RATHER him be traded for a good/young D-man. We have prospects chomping at the bit to take over Raymonds spot. And most of them have had equal, or more illustrious, jr careers than Raymond did. - Hodgson - Schroeder - Grabner - Shirokov - Rai - Rodin - I guess even Tochkin In a couple of years Raymond's role could most likely be taken by any one of those above players. Right now, I just hope he scores some more goals in these playoffs to boost his trade value. A talented/large/young D-man will be far more valuable to this team than Raymond will be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canufu Posted May 3, 2010 Share Posted May 3, 2010 Along the lines others have stated, anything over 2.5mil is too much. This is NOT the Islanders/Panthers where our players can afford to have inflated contracts. Vancouver is a team that has to play it so close to the cap its not even funny. With that said, if he stays, 2 years at 2.5 I am ok with. I would RATHER it be at 2mil. Heck, I would RATHER him be traded for a good/young D-man. We have prospects chomping at the bit to take over Raymonds spot. And most of them have had equal, or more illustrious, jr careers than Raymond did. - Hodgson - Schroeder - Grabner - Shirokov - Rai - Rodin - I guess even Tochkin In a couple of years Raymond's role could most likely be taken by any one of those above players. Right now, I just hope he scores some more goals in these playoffs to boost his trade value. A talented/large/young D-man will be far more valuable to this team than Raymond will be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeExcited Posted May 3, 2010 Share Posted May 3, 2010 Along the lines others have stated, anything over 2.5mil is too much. This is NOT the Islanders/Panthers where our players can afford to have inflated contracts. Vancouver is a team that has to play it so close to the cap its not even funny. With that said, if he stays, 2 years at 2.5 I am ok with. I would RATHER it be at 2mil. Heck, I would RATHER him be traded for a good/young D-man. We have prospects chomping at the bit to take over Raymonds spot. And most of them have had equal, or more illustrious, jr careers than Raymond did. - Hodgson - Schroeder - Grabner - Shirokov - Rai - Rodin - I guess even Tochkin In a couple of years Raymond's role could most likely be taken by any one of those above players. Right now, I just hope he scores some more goals in these playoffs to boost his trade value. A talented/large/young D-man will be far more valuable to this team than Raymond will be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheWheeler Posted May 3, 2010 Share Posted May 3, 2010 It is doubtful that Shirokov would still be with the organization next year... But I agree with you on our need for a Defensive prospect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Gunn Posted May 3, 2010 Share Posted May 3, 2010 2.75 MIL 3 YEAR!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sultan of Sarcasm Posted May 3, 2010 Share Posted May 3, 2010 2.75 MIL 3 YEAR!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amish Rake Fighter Posted May 3, 2010 Share Posted May 3, 2010 I'm not trying to attack, but I'm curious, what makes you say that? How is he worth more money than Mikael? And why 3 years? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suolucidir Posted May 3, 2010 Share Posted May 3, 2010 No more than 3. Not until he finds his hockey vision. Skills are fine, just needs the eyes and mind to catch up. I don't think he really deserves that much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finaddict Posted May 3, 2010 Share Posted May 3, 2010 It will be impossible to keep him for under 3 million dollars. This is probably the number Raymond is going to stick to no matter what. Unless Gillis decides to invest in him and goes 2.5 for 6 years or something, it's not happening. If you think he's gonna take a 2 million dollar salary, dream on. Gillis is not God, he just won the jackpot with Burrows. We can only hope that our team's success can be some sort of factor in getting a discount. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sQuish Posted May 3, 2010 Share Posted May 3, 2010 2.0 to 2.25 million, 2 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Number One Posted May 3, 2010 Share Posted May 3, 2010 I hope he can sign for more. But less than he could actually get. We need our players to take a minor pay cut if they wanna win cups still. This is the greatest team to be a part of. I hope the guys can keep it that way. No better way to make a name than to win some Lord Stanleys you know. This is Canuck Nation retiring to eat something and do laundry before the game though. I can't wait to see you guys at the game. Wooooooooo!!!! *dances around like Kesler* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T.TANTI Posted May 3, 2010 Share Posted May 3, 2010 Some of you fcking doorknobs need to realise Raymond plays for the Canucks, not the Florida Panthers. 3+MILL ? are you serious?! This team has more depth now than it has had in 30 years and you wanna pay a guy who just followed up a pair of 20 point seasons with one good year - that kind of money... on THIS team? You're fcken crazy... with guys like Schroeder and Hodgson waiting on the sidelines.... I like Mase but... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sport scout Posted May 4, 2010 Share Posted May 4, 2010 he will get over 3 mil a year. Not sure if he will sign here though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RBork77 Posted May 4, 2010 Share Posted May 4, 2010 I know Healey said tonight that he thought Raymond would get 3 mill per season. What do you guys think it will take to re-sign him? How long? Can we afford him? Personally, if he'd take 3 per year I'd sign him for as long as possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RBork77 Posted May 4, 2010 Share Posted May 4, 2010 If he doesn't take 2 million than too bad. He can go to Florida and lose while the Canucks get good draft picks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D-Money Posted May 4, 2010 Share Posted May 4, 2010 I doubt Shirokov will ever play for the Canucks again, he'd be with the practice roster right now if he was in the plans for the future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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