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#1 BedBeats™2.0

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Posted 03 June 2010 - 07:52 AM

Waiting game for assistants.

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Cory Schneider will play 20-25 games next season in the National Hockey League, but the Vancouver Canucks' prized prospect will learn as much or more from his 70 or so practices and about the same number of morning skates.The Canucks' goaltending coach will be vital to Schneider's development. Which makes you wonder why, more than eight months after head coach Alain Vigneault had his contract extended by three years, the National Hockey League team's assistant coaches have yet to be announced for next season.

Associate coach Rick Bowness, assistants Ryan Walter and Darryl Williams and goaltending consultant Ian Clark have been flapping in the breeze so long, it's a wonder they haven't succumbed to exposure.

All season, anyone who inquired about the status of Vigneault's crew was assured there were no issues, that everything was moving along and eventually the assistant coaches' contracts should be extended - as is customary when the head coach, their boss, receives a new contract.

But three weeks ago, in his season-end press conference, general manager Mike Gillis still wasn't ready to commit, saying the coaching staff was not a priority and would be reviewed in time.

Assistant GM Laurence Gilman said Wednesday it could be July 1 before the staff is finalized.

The situation has become ridiculous, especially when you consider that two-year extensions were offered to the assistant coaches in April.

Presumably, these were signed. Assuming also that these legal documents were not lost in the intra-office mail at General Motors Place, the Canucks appear to be considering firing an assistant coach or four soon after agreeing to pay them for two more seasons.

Hey, it's good work if you can get it.

"We are evaluating all aspects of our hockey operations," Gilman explained. "We hope to have all those evaluations done before the draft (June 25) or July 1 at the latest. At this point, with those evaluations ongoing, I can't comment further on our coaching staff."

Gilman neither confirmed nor denied that formal offers were made to Vigneault's assistants in April.

Clark, who has worked as a goaltending "consultant" to the Canucks for eight seasons and tutored captain Roberto Luongo the last four, also declined to comment on the situation Wednesday except to say he loves working for the team and hopes to continue doing so.

But Clark, more than the other assistants, appears to be vulnerable due to his family situation in Dallas and the promotion from the American League of Schneider, the 24-year-old first-round pick who agreed this week to a two-year, $1.8-million-US, one-way contract and can no longer play in the minors without clearing waivers.

Clark has worked only as a consultant to the Canucks not, as is often reported, because of conflicting business interests in Texas but because of a complicated domestic life. Divorced, Clark has custody of two teenage boys from his first marriage. The custodial agreement stipulates Clark cannot move his family outside the Dallas area.

Clark has a baby with his second wife, who also has children from a previous marriage.

It's not by choice that Clark does not live in Vancouver and work for the Canucks full-time. But in practice, he is not nearly as part-time as many people think, having put in nearly 150 work days for the Canucks between September and May.

Schneider will be the first genuine goaltending prospect the Canucks have had since Alex Auld replaced injured starter Dan Cloutier in 2005-06.

Luongo arrived in trade from Florida after that season, and since then the second goalies in Vancouver have been journeymen Dany Sabourin, Curtis Sanford, Jason LaBarbera and Andrew Raycroft.

You can see how Schneider may need a little more guidance than those backups. But finding a better goaltending instructor than Clark would not be easy, especially since nearly all the elite ones work for other teams.

As for Bowness, Walter and Williams, it would be grossly unfair to scapegoat them for the Canucks' second-round collapse against the Chicago Blackhawks. Yes, Bowness coached a penalty-killing unit that was scorched for 17 goals in 12 playoff games. But his far bigger responsibility was coaching the defence, which helped the team collect 103 points and its third division title in four years despite the free-agent fiasco of Mathieu Schneider and long-term injuries to key blue-liners Willie Mitchell and Kevin Bieksa.

Besides, accountability should never seep beyond the head coach's office. And Vigneault clearly has Gillis' support. It was demonstrated with a contract extension last Sept. 24.

Some relevant stats:

Regular Season:


Goal/Game- 3.27 (2nd)

Goals Against/Game- 2.66 (12th)

5-on-5 Goals For/Against- 1.24 (2nd)

PP%- 20.9 (6th)

PK%- 81.6 (18th)

Shots/Game- 30.9 (10th)

Shots Against/Game- 29.5 (11th)

Face-Off%- 51.4 (7th)

Playoffs:

Goals/Game - 3.58 (T-1st)
Goals Against/Game - (13th)
Powerplay - 22.0% (6th)
Penalty Kill - 68.5% (Last, by a wide margin)

Aside from the PK, those are some flattering team numbers.

Good to see the story behind Ian Clark, though its confusing since it was reported that Gillis wanted to move on with a full-time goalie coach/mentor.

Notice the article attempts some dramatics by reporting that the assistants were offered 2 year deals earlier this season, dont read too much into that.

Chances are they are all returning.

Oh...and anyone straying off-topic with "FiRE AVLolOLloL and Da WholE cOachIng StaFFZ!1!!!!11", should get an embedded -1. :P

*edited to add playoff stats, courtesy of D-money*

Edited by BedBeats™, 03 June 2010 - 12:31 PM.

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Posted 03 June 2010 - 07:59 AM

Drop clark and bring in someone decent for a full time position (not just 150 days of sub par consulting during which time the goalie's play regresses).

Edited by avelanch, 03 June 2010 - 08:02 AM.


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Posted 03 June 2010 - 08:06 AM

I think given that he has been with the team during Luongo's golden years as well as last season, Clark and other asst. coaches cannot be put to too much blame when it comes to our superstars' performance. It also means he can't be given too much credit though, otherwise we would only be seeing what we want to.

In the end, I think while coaches can be a guiding light to team dynamics, individual efforts often spawn from a collection of sources, and don't rely solely on coaching. Sometimes you get lucky, and a small tweak by a coach can make an enormous difference in a single player. Overall I would say we keep them - the level they know the team at is unmatched clearly given the length of their stays here, no need to make drastic changes to appease some whining fans wanting 'change.'

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Posted 03 June 2010 - 08:11 AM

It is a murky question of how much responsibility the coaching staff carry for failed playoff ambitions. Coaches have to coach what the org provides for players. That said my observations are;
1) Puck support in the defensive zone has improved noticeably over the past 1 1/2 seasons. This staff has been in place for 4 years. Why so long?
2) PK at 18th in the NHL. That is not a CUP contending number.
3) It is difficult as a fan to not get caught up in the enthusiasm of a playoff run. The reality of the Canuck org is that their talent depth has been non-existant for decades. MG has been building that depth for 2 seasons but is still not there. Does the org need a anchor dman, bigger and meaner forwards, obviously yes. Do they need a better defensive posture, yes. IMHO the org has a better group of hockey people running the team than they have had in years. That does not mean that better people might be available just like players.

Watching the finals it brings home how far the Canucks have to go to ice a physically competitive team. How many hits has Coburn taken from Buffy and hops back to his feet and continues? The old adage that 'there is the regular season and there are playoffs' can't be more true!

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Posted 03 June 2010 - 08:26 AM

we need better output from our special teams...PK and PP both...

Statistically our PP was good but it was sporadic and scored in bunches... I would like it to be more consistent

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Posted 03 June 2010 - 08:33 AM

I have a hunch Bowness is getting fired.

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Posted 03 June 2010 - 08:46 AM

FiReAvHeIsTerRiBleLoLoLolOL :D

I think the chances of them all coming back is pretty good as they probably should. There's a lot of speculation around here about certain AssCo's but I think if the players are happy then that's enough.

I always find it funny because it's usually the same people who are saying Luongo has too o much control of AV because he tells them when he's going to play but don't think that if he though Clark was a "goof" ( :D ) he would just shoo him away.
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Posted 03 June 2010 - 08:55 AM

Hmmm interesting. I didn't know that was the reason Ian Clark doesn't live in Van.

I know Luongo thinks highly of him but with both him and Schneider requiring extensive work I think it's time to get a full time coach.

I've always liked Williams, Bowness and Walter but our struggling special team may be an indication that we need to shake things up a bit. Although I don't know if it's right to fire them when we just extended their contracts.
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Posted 03 June 2010 - 09:05 AM

View PostEmployeeoftheMonth, on 03 June 2010 - 08:46 AM, said:

FiReAvHeIsTerRiBleLoLoLolOL :D

I think the chances of them all coming back is pretty good as they probably should. There's a lot of speculation around here about certain AssCo's but I think if the players are happy then that's enough.

I always find it funny because it's usually the same people who are saying Luongo has too o much control of AV because he tells them when he's going to play but don't think that if he though Clark was a "goof" ( :D ) he would just shoo him away.
I lol'ed, ya little brat-child!

I always get a chuckle that people think that Lui has control over AV.

I guess they forget how many times Lui has been pulled this season...it must be a personal record.

View Posthockeyville88, on 03 June 2010 - 08:55 AM, said:

Hmmm interesting. I didn't know that was the reason Ian Clark doesn't live in Van.

I know Luongo thinks highly of him but with both him and Schneider requiring extensive work I think it's time to get a full time coach.

I've always liked Williams, Bowness and Walter but our struggling special team may be an indication that we need to shake things up a bit. Although I don't know if it's right to fire them when we just extended their contracts.
Indeed...i was suprised by the Clark news myself....i thought he was part time because of his goaltending school.

A full-time coach is really what our new goalie tandem need, a guy thats with the team as full time as possible.

They arent to be fired...they are waiting on word of an extension, as you know already, AV is the only one with the immunity idol.

I still maintain that the sketchy PK was more of a player fault.

Its been said that you can teach play away from the puck easily, and its a matter of execution.

Im lazy, but would anyone like to research our PK effectiveness before and after Mitchell's injury?!?!

Im wondering if he really is a difference maker.

Edited by BedBeats™, 03 June 2010 - 09:46 AM.

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Posted 03 June 2010 - 09:13 AM

It's not like they did a poor job out there and it's not like we could get Guy Carbonneau to accept an assistant coaching position to help fix our PK. I'm pretty sure the PK suffered partly because Mitchell wasn't there to anchor the 1st unit and the 2nd unit was just, to quote Shaquille O'Neal, horri-awful.

Keep 'em. They keep the "goofs" from goofing around. ;)

View PostJoe_Shmo, on 15 April 2012 - 09:10 PM, said:

Kassian.... Taylor Pyatt 3.0

View PostTheEhrhoffEffect, on 15 April 2012 - 09:40 PM, said:

Lies. He's more of a Steve Bernier. Hopefully his talent level goes up so he can become like a Taylor Pyatt.

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Posted 03 June 2010 - 09:47 AM

Wow.. are the assistant coaches being scape goats again for Alain Vigneault?!?!

Gillis would be an idiot to just fire the assistants.... FIRE THE HEAD COACH!!!!
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Posted 03 June 2010 - 09:51 AM

View PostSanford, on 03 June 2010 - 09:47 AM, said:

Wow.. are the assistant coaches being scape goats again for Alain Vigneault?!?!

Gillis would be an idiot to just fire the assistants.... FIRE THE HEAD COACH!!!!
Well done smartie.


Did I mention....

yawn.
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Posted 03 June 2010 - 10:02 AM

View PostBedBeats™, on 03 June 2010 - 09:05 AM, said:

I still maintain that the sketchy PK was more of a player fault.

Its been said that you can teach play away from the puck easily, and its a matter of execution.

Im lazy, but would anyone like to research our PK effectiveness before and after Mitchell's injury?!?!

Im wondering if he really is a difference maker.

25g on 132pk's in 34gp after Mitchell's injury (81.1%), 59g on 320pk's in total, so... 34g on 188pk's before injury (not including playoffs - 82%).

Keep in mind Bieksa was getting more PK time at the beginning until Ehrhoff had to take over for him. Bieksa had 18ppg scored against him in only 108 minutes of pk time. 18 for 54 is a 66% kill rate...

View PostJoe_Shmo, on 15 April 2012 - 09:10 PM, said:

Kassian.... Taylor Pyatt 3.0

View PostTheEhrhoffEffect, on 15 April 2012 - 09:40 PM, said:

Lies. He's more of a Steve Bernier. Hopefully his talent level goes up so he can become like a Taylor Pyatt.

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Posted 03 June 2010 - 10:06 AM

View PostEmployeeoftheMonth, on 03 June 2010 - 09:51 AM, said:

Well done smartie.
Did I mention....
yawn.

Hey! Just stirring the pot.... always been a AV hater and always will be. There's no reason for us to fire the assistant coaches if the head coach is still here. If this was to happen... it will be the second time in less then 3 years that our Assitant coaches have been canned in favor of Vigneault.

Sometimes you gotta move on and cut the head of the snake... making minor and non-complete changes with the assistant coaches won't garner you any "gold" at the end of the rainbow. You'll just have a really pissed lepercaun.

Edited by Sanford, 03 June 2010 - 10:12 AM.

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Posted 03 June 2010 - 10:10 AM

That's funny mentioning Dallas and Alex Auld. I was down in Dallas a couple weeks ago and shopping at Krogers and Alex Auld almost walked into me coming around an aisle. Was pretty funny. He was with his wife and little kid and was carrying a big jug of Laundry Detergent.

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Posted 03 June 2010 - 10:14 AM

View PostThe-Impersonator, on 03 June 2010 - 10:10 AM, said:

That's funny mentioning Dallas and Alex Auld. I was down in Dallas a couple weeks ago and shopping at Krogers and Alex Auld almost walked into me coming around an aisle. Was pretty funny. He was with his wife and little kid and was carrying a big jug of Laundry Detergent.

I thought you were going to say he was working at Kroger. :P


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Posted 03 June 2010 - 10:21 AM

View PostMillerdraft, on 03 June 2010 - 10:02 AM, said:

25g on 132pk's in 34gp after Mitchell's injury (81.1%), 59g on 320pk's in total, so... 34g on 188pk's before injury (not including playoffs - 82%).

Keep in mind Bieksa was getting more PK time at the beginning until Ehrhoff had to take over for him. Bieksa had 18ppg scored against him in only 108 minutes of pk time. 18 for 54 is a 66% kill rate...
Thanks Miller...much appreciated...i credited your detective work on another board.

View PostThe-Impersonator, on 03 June 2010 - 10:10 AM, said:

That's funny mentioning Dallas and Alex Auld. I was down in Dallas a couple weeks ago and shopping at Krogers and Alex Auld almost walked into me coming around an aisle. Was pretty funny. He was with his wife and little kid and was carrying a big jug of Laundry Detergent.
Ahhh Kroger...fond memories of Texas!

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Posted 03 June 2010 - 10:55 AM

View PostSanford, on 03 June 2010 - 10:06 AM, said:

Hey! Just stirring the pot.... always been a AV hater and always will be. There's no reason for us to fire the assistant coaches if the head coach is still here. If this was to happen... it will be the second time in less then 3 years that our Assitant coaches have been canned in favor of Vigneault.

Sometimes you gotta move on and cut the head of the snake... making minor and non-complete changes with the assistant coaches won't garner you any "gold" at the end of the rainbow. You'll just have a really pissed lepercaun.
I agree but I'm not convinced av has,really done anything wrong.

BTW someone needs to photoshop av as an angry leprechaun.
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Posted 03 June 2010 - 11:05 AM

Personally, although I know he's a nice guy, Rick Bowness needs to go.

He is in charge of the PK.......nuff said.

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Posted 03 June 2010 - 11:23 AM

Pleaseeeeeeeeee get a good goalie coach that actually has a solid commitment to training Luongo into a beast. Luongo also needs a psychologist to make him mentally tough.

walter sucks- dismiss him.
fire bowness after that tragic penalty kill and anyone else involved in that fiasco. :angry: he was in charge of pk, right? :lol:

Edited by RisingTied, 03 June 2010 - 11:25 AM.



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Posted 03 June 2010 - 11:55 AM

He who runs the penalty kill his job should be in jeopardy.


It was first in the league in 2007 and has not been close to that since. Were Jan Bulis and Byron Ritchie and Brad Isbister really the key to our success?
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Posted 03 June 2010 - 12:04 PM

View Postc0medyClub, on 03 June 2010 - 11:55 AM, said:

He who runs the penalty kill his job should be in jeopardy.

It was first in the league in 2007 and has not been close to that since. Were Jan Bulis and Byron Ritchie and Brad Isbister really the key to our success?
I normally disagree with you on a lot of things...but the way you framed that, actually puts some perspective on it.

Id argue though that Kes and Burr were the other PK line and they did well that season as well.

Bones is responsible for that special team.

While the PK is a certain worry, his work with the patchwork D corps in the regular season, and O.B.'s transformation into a responsible, disciplined d-man shouldnt go unnoticed.

Im wondering more and more if Mitchell really is a difference maker on the blueline??!!

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Posted 03 June 2010 - 12:13 PM

Everyone struggles right after his contract extension. A weird phenomenon, but true for both players and coaches.



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Posted 03 June 2010 - 12:20 PM

View PostTyler Song, on 03 June 2010 - 12:13 PM, said:

Everyone struggles right after his contract extension. A weird phenomenon, but true for both players and coaches.
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Posted 03 June 2010 - 12:21 PM

View PostBedBeats™, on 03 June 2010 - 07:52 AM, said:

Some relevant stats:

Goal/Game- 3.27 (2nd)

Goals Against/Game- 2.66 (12th)

5-on-5 Goals For/Against- 1.24 (2nd)

PP%- 20.9 (6th)

PK%- 81.6 (18th)

Shots/Game- 30.9 (10th)

Shots Against/Game- 29.5 (11th)

Face-Off%- 51.4 (7th)

Aside from the PK, those are some flattering team numbers.

These are the stats that count most (playoffs):

Goals/Game - 3.58 (T-1st)
Goals Against/Game - (13th)
Powerplay - 22.0% (6th)
Penalty Kill - 68.5% (Last, by a wide margin)

The inability to have the players control their emotions, added to the constant defensive gaffes, point to a change needed in the coaching. All the haters point everything at AV, and while he takes primary responsibility as the head coach, defensive assignments and penalty killing systems are generally implemented by his assistants.
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Posted 03 June 2010 - 12:27 PM

View Postc0medyClub, on 03 June 2010 - 11:55 AM, said:

He who runs the penalty kill his job should be in jeopardy.


It was first in the league in 2007 and has not been close to that since. Were Jan Bulis and Byron Ritchie and Brad Isbister really the key to our success?
Opening up the offense explains the rise in general goals against, but it should not affect the penalty kill.

The 2007 playoff team had three strong components that this team sorely missed: Ohlund, Mitchell, and Bieksa (the good one). All of those rebound goals weren't scored because there was always at least one of those guys clearing the puck and/or crease out.
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Posted 03 June 2010 - 12:46 PM

View PostD-Money, on 03 June 2010 - 12:21 PM, said:

<br />These are the stats that count most (playoffs):<br /><br />Goals/Game - 3.58 (T-1st)<br />Goals Against/Game - (13th)<br />Powerplay - 22.0% (6th)<br /><b>Penalty Kill - 68.5% (Last, by a wide margin)</b><br /><br />The inability to have the players control their emotions, added to the constant defensive gaffes, point to a change needed in the coaching. All the haters point everything at AV, and while he takes primary responsibility as the head coach, defensive assignments and penalty killing systems are generally implemented by his assistants.<br />
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If AV is not in charge of PP, PK, Goalie coaching, defensive systems or offensive systems,..... then what exactly does he do? He certianly can't do line match ups very well, keep control of the players during games or decide which players should play game to game, at least not in the playoffs, so what is his job?

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Posted 03 June 2010 - 12:59 PM

View PostD-Money, on 03 June 2010 - 12:27 PM, said:

Opening up the offense explains the rise in general goals against, but it should not affect the penalty kill.

The 2007 playoff team had three strong components that this team sorely missed: Ohlund, Mitchell, and Bieksa (the good one). All of those rebound goals weren't scored because there was always at least one of those guys clearing the puck and/or crease out.

Yeah, 2007 playoff team had a god-like Luongo playing too. Canucks PK was always just stand there, stand in the shooting lanes and only minimal pressure, and let Luongo stop it. If we look at other teams, their PK are aggressive, they pressure you and make you lose the puck. I noticed that we have a weak down low play, players are able to drive to the net from behind the net. Look at how Handzus/Modin did it during the LA series. Chicago did it with Toews. Our D seems to leave a gap behind the net. Plus it seems like the coaching staff doesnt adapt to the changes of the game, look at Quennville!

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Posted 03 June 2010 - 01:06 PM

View Postarsenalian, on 03 June 2010 - 12:20 PM, said:

The Sedins say hi ;)

nicely played..... :D

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Posted 03 June 2010 - 04:15 PM

Burrows also says hi.

Anyways... if were just letting the assistant coaches go.... I feel that it will not fix the problem. It starts with the head coach.
If you look at the Philly series.... now that's a coach. A coach that can get the composure of his players..
In my opinion... that's what the Canucks need the most. Composure. Composure (With a sprinkle of D-men) = Cup.

The way we wasted games 3 and 4... and even 2 (when we had a 2 goal lead) shows the incompetence of Alain Vigneault. He even stated that he had no clue what happened to the team....

Edited by Sanford, 03 June 2010 - 04:16 PM.

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