Phil_314 Posted December 11, 2012 Share Posted December 11, 2012 Gilman is on Team 1040 and says that Patrick is on a LOA (leave of absence). So he could go back. The vibe I got from the very brief discussion - was that the Canucks were going to sign him as soon as the lockout ends. Sounds good that he at least has the option to go back; I mean even though his academic record is probably tarnished for what happened (as bad as that is) at least he'd get the chance to finish there. I'd take the Canucks contract but try to stay in school and rebound from this situation (maybe transfer and play/ study elsewhere if not Harvard), graduate and then turn pro, rather than just giving up on school partway. At least if he finished he'd have "graduated from Harvard" on his resume, and that would be immensely helpful if his hockey dreams don't become reality. Hope he makes a good choice and rebounds well from this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuretoMogilny Posted December 11, 2012 Share Posted December 11, 2012 Gilman is on Team 1040 and says that Patrick is on a LOA (leave of absence) So he could go back. The vibe I got from the very brief discussion - was that the Canucks were going to sign him as soon as the lockout ends. What vibe? Gilman said they are not willing to discuss him at this point other than he has taken a leave of absence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuretoMogilny Posted December 11, 2012 Share Posted December 11, 2012 Sounds good that he at least has the option to go back; I mean even though his academic record is probably tarnished for what happened (as bad as that is) at least he'd get the chance to finish there. I'd take the Canucks contract but try to stay in school and rebound from this situation (maybe transfer and play/ study elsewhere if not Harvard), graduate and then turn pro, rather than just giving up on school partway. At least if he finished he'd have "graduated from Harvard" on his resume, and that would be immensely helpful if his hockey dreams don't become reality. Hope he makes a good choice and rebounds well from this. maybe he should have considered that before he cheated? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squeak Posted December 11, 2012 Share Posted December 11, 2012 What vibe? Gilman said they are not willing to discuss him at this point other than he has taken a leave of absence. I need to justify my vibes now? Edit: why I got this vibe... is because I highly doubt the Canucks will let one of their top D prospects to take a full year off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WolfxHaley Posted December 11, 2012 Share Posted December 11, 2012 maybe he should have considered that before he cheated? You're not gunna not cheat on a take home exam! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RAMBUTANS Posted December 12, 2012 Share Posted December 12, 2012 It's a no-brainer, he'll be a part of the replacement players for the Canucks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thegodcreation Posted December 12, 2012 Share Posted December 12, 2012 Dump him. The organization doesn't need cheaters and dishonest individuals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RAMBUTANS Posted December 12, 2012 Share Posted December 12, 2012 Dump him. The organization doesn't need cheaters and dishonest individuals. But, but.....we dive? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salmonberries Posted December 12, 2012 Share Posted December 12, 2012 I'm not prepared to rule out a transfer just yet. His hockey skills would be enticing to just about any NCAA program.Unless this is an outright expulsion I don't see why other school would feel obliged to honor a 'blackballing' of students weren't actually expelled. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lancaster Posted December 12, 2012 Share Posted December 12, 2012 Dump him. The organization doesn't need cheaters and dishonest individuals. Every time a player gets a penalty, they're breaking the rules and going against the spirit of the game. I guess we don't want any of the player on the Canucks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dral Posted December 12, 2012 Share Posted December 12, 2012 Maybe he was the 'smart' one in the room and the other players copied off him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canucklax Posted December 12, 2012 Share Posted December 12, 2012 Dump him. The organization doesn't need cheaters and dishonest individuals. No one gets a second chance? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
avelanch Posted December 12, 2012 Share Posted December 12, 2012 I'm not prepared to rule out a transfer just yet. His hockey skills would be enticing to just about any NCAA program.Unless this is an outright expulsion I don't see why other school would feel obliged to honor a 'blackballing' of students weren't actually expelled. this is his sophmore year, traditional transfer rules state that he needs to spend a full year at his new school before he is eligible to play unless he meets the eligibility for a one-time transfer: Q: If I transfer to another four-year institution, will I immediately be eligible? A: The general rule for all student-athletes transferring from one four-year institution to another four-year institution is that they must spend one academic year in residence at the school to which they transfer before they may be eligible for competition. However, you may be eligible immediately upon transfer if you meet one of several transfer exceptions. [Note: During a student-athlete's initial year of collegiate enrollment, he or she only may use a transfer exception if they have been certified by the NCAA Initial-Eligibility Clearinghouse as a qualifier.] The most common transfer exception is the One-Time Transfer Exception. To be eligible to use this exception: a. A student-athlete must be transferring to another four-year institution to participate in sports other than Division I basketball, Division I men's ice hockey and Division I football (unless the student-athlete is transferring from Division IA to Division I-AA); b. The student-athlete's first transfer from one four-year college to another four-year college; c. The student-athlete must have been eligible academically had he or she remained at their previous institution; d. The student-athlete must obtain a written release from the current institution stating that they have no objection to the student-athlete's use of the exception. [Note: Student-athletes transferring from an NCAA Division III institution using this exception may not receive athletically related financial aid during their first academic year in residence on transfer.] http://grfx.cstv.com/photos/schools/nm/genrel/auto_pdf/0708-saac-info.pdf He doesn't meet Part A, since he's in div 1 ice hockey; since he withdrew, he doesn't meet portion C of the eligibility; and I doubt Harvard would provide him with part D, though it would be a moot request, as he already doesn't qualify due to part A and C. so he would have to find a school willing to take him in his senior year... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canucklax Posted December 12, 2012 Share Posted December 12, 2012 thisis his sophmore year, traditional transfer rules state that he needs to spend a full year at his new school before he is eligible to play unless he meets the eligibility for a one-time transfer: He doesn't meet Part A, since he's in div 1 ice hockey; since he withdrew, he doesn't meet portion C of the eligibility; and I doubt Harvard would provide him with part D, though it would be a moot request, as he already doesn't qualify due to part A and C. so he would have to find a school willing to take him in his senior year... In lacrosse, if a player receives an approval to transfer from the team and school, he is able to transfer right away and play. If harvard granted him a transfer I'd think he'd be able to play next season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil_314 Posted December 12, 2012 Share Posted December 12, 2012 No one gets a second chance? My thoughts exactly. Everyone makes mistakes, hopefully he can come out a better man after he faces the just consequences for his actions. Life goes on, heck I think of Mike Danton (conspiring for murder, to attending and completing University with a 3.9 GPA), Michael Vick (dog fighting), Dany Heatley (killed his friend and teammate in their car crash, yet has still developed into a solid player) and even Mike Tyson, who had run-in's with the law yet bounced back. Tough times form good character and I think Patrick could potentially stand to really benefit from this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
avelanch Posted December 12, 2012 Share Posted December 12, 2012 In lacrosse, if a player receives an approval to transfer from the team and school, he is able to transfer right away and play. If harvard granted him a transfer I'd think he'd be able to play next season lacrosse is not part of part A of the exception criteria. hockey is. there is a reason they specifically mention div 1 mens ice hockey. as I mentioned, he also fails part C. he MIGHT be able to get Harvard to sign off on the transfer, but I doubt they would do that for someone they were going to expell for what they deem as cheating. Besides, harvard signing off on it is Moot, since he has to pass all 4 parts of the exemption criteria, not just 1 part. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canucklax Posted December 12, 2012 Share Posted December 12, 2012 lacrosse is not part of part A of the exception criteria. hockey is. there is a reason they specifically mention div 1 mens ice hockey. haha missed that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Langdon Algur Posted December 12, 2012 Share Posted December 12, 2012 maybe he should have considered that before he cheated? Working together on a take home exam is pretty common, McNally may not have even realized this was considered cheating. Pretty harsh reaction from Harvard if you ask me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donky Posted December 13, 2012 Share Posted December 13, 2012 Wow, what a disaster. Sounds to me like he was simply caught up in the dragnet as Harvard cleaned house to protect its reputation. There were dozens of students caught up in this and surely they all have different degrees of guilt. For his sake I hope he can be reinstated and get his degree. For the organizations sake I want to see him playing hockey ASAP. He needs to be developing, not sitting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoneypuckOverlord Posted December 13, 2012 Share Posted December 13, 2012 Wow, what a disaster. Sounds to me like he was simply caught up in the dragnet as Harvard cleaned house to protect its reputation. There were dozens of students caught up in this and surely they all have different degrees of guilt. For his sake I hope he can be reinstated and get his degree. For the organizations sake I want to see him playing hockey ASAP. He needs to be developing, not sitting. There's no way he's going back to Harvard. Right now, hes on a LOA. In other words, Laurance Gillman probably doesn't want to give too much information on this right now. At this point, I am guessing it's an "early Christmas" for Patrick Mcnally, and they will look into options in the new year. I would like to see the Chicago wolves Give him a tryout contract. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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