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#31 b3.

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Posted 11 July 2010 - 10:13 PM

Ya still, He isn't a reliable source. I'd rather have McKenzie & Dreger over Eklund.


That's fine.
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Posted 11 July 2010 - 10:16 PM

Actually Eklund has gotten quite a few things right since the trade deadline, and has even gotten credit from Bob McKenzie and Darren Dreger.


I believe he was the one that reported Bouwmeester to Calgary and everyone's like "Ahahahahahahahahahaha Eklund's an idiot (e5)" and "Eklund's an idiot, Calgary's got Phaneuf, Regehr, and Sarich already. No cap sace. What an idiot."

How reliable is Hockeybuzzhogwash.com? It has Komisarek to Toronto as an incorrect rumour, Cammalleri to Montreal as an incorrect rumour, Bouwmeester to Calgary as incorrect, Giguere to Toronto as incorrect. The website also tracks each team that is named in a rumour as an individual rumour itself, so the numbers are skewed.
Eklund is an accredited journalist and a recognized media member by the NHL. He has received media passes by the NHL to cover the Stanley Cup playoffs and the NHL Entry Draft.

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Posted 11 July 2010 - 10:20 PM

Also, I would like to add that just because Sportsnet has him on their station doesn't necessarily mean they think he's creditable, it means they think he'll bring in ratings. That's like saying that Disney execs actually find Miley Cyrus funny because they let her have her own show.
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Posted 12 July 2010 - 12:32 AM

Also, I would like to add that just because Sportsnet has him on their station doesn't necessarily mean they think he's creditable, it means they think he'll bring in ratings. That's like saying that Disney execs actually find Miley Cyrus funny because they let her have her own show.


Your analogy makes very little sense, if any. And no, on trade deadline day, sportsnet knows they will have a high rating irregardless of who is on the show. The reason they chose to include Eklund was to have another individual with resources, with the hopes of breaking news sooner than other stations. To prove how Eklund swayed the ratings minimally, my friends and I all watched TSN throughout the day despite Eklund being on sportsnet.
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Posted 12 July 2010 - 09:54 AM

I believe he was the one that reported Bouwmeester to Calgary and everyone's like "Ahahahahahahahahahaha Eklund's an idiot (e5)" and "Eklund's an idiot, Calgary's got Phaneuf, Regehr, and Sarich already. No cap sace. What an idiot."
How reliable is Hockeybuzzhogwash.com? It has Komisarek to Toronto as an incorrect rumour, Cammalleri to Montreal as an incorrect rumour, Bouwmeester to Calgary as incorrect, Giguere to Toronto as incorrect. The website also tracks each team that is named in a rumour as an individual rumour itself, so the numbers are skewed.
Eklund is an accredited journalist and a recognized media member by the NHL. He has received media passes by the NHL to cover the Stanley Cup playoffs and the NHL Entry Draft.


Eklund hears when two teams talk. He then posts about it. Then nothing happens between those teams for a while. Eklund gets bashed, is called a fraud, yadayadayada, then months later the player is moved to the team he mentioned. Does anyone go back and go, Hmm, Eklund mentioned this months ago? No.


Eklund reports on rumours; and because of this a lot of the stuff he reports is going to come to nothing, and if it does happen, chances are it happens months and months down the line - by which point everyones forgotten Eklund mentioned it months ago, and are focused on bashing him for whatever "crazy" rumour he's mentioned this week.

I wonder how much higher his success rate would be if you took that into account.
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Posted 12 July 2010 - 10:24 AM

While I understand Eklund posts rumors, and majority of which will never see the light of day. It's the posts that he makes that don't make any sense whatsoever that bug me. Example the Canucks are interested in Savard. Canucks have absolutely no reason to get savard. To me it just seems like a ploy to get more people checking his website...
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Posted 12 July 2010 - 10:45 AM

While I understand Eklund posts rumors, and majority of which will never see the light of day. It's the posts that he makes that don't make any sense whatsoever that bug me. Example the Canucks are interested in Savard. Canucks have absolutely no reason to get savard. To me it just seems like a ploy to get more people checking his website...


All it could mean is just kicking tires to see what the worth is. It makes less sense now, but the rumor existed before July 1st signings. Could only be MG considering things to make a plan B, C, D, etc
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Posted 12 July 2010 - 01:56 PM

Anyone wanna tell me why NHLSourcesSay is an invalid source?
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Posted 12 July 2010 - 03:56 PM

Reposts



I wanna see.


I'm not going to search their 1000's of tweets for you. If you really want to see it, you can do it.
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Posted 12 July 2010 - 04:06 PM

Reposts

I wanna see.

I saw them...B-Mack gave Eklund credit for breaking something before TSN....Dreger did the same with the same rumour/signing.

If you can filter Tweets with days...go to their posts on either the first day of FA or the draft.
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Posted 12 July 2010 - 06:58 PM

Isn't this the exception that proves the rule?

The fact that Eklund getting something right is so memorable just proves that we all realize he consistently gets everything wrong.
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Posted 12 July 2010 - 06:59 PM

On the topic of Eklund,

http://nhl.fanhouse....stions-about-a/

Here is a nice read on that. Note the byline...it's Yahoo's Puck Daddy himself.

The problem with Eklund is that he has no filter. Someone over on HFBoards made up a rumor about the Blues making a trade at the draft...and Eklund ran with it and posted it on his site.

Anyone wanna tell me why NHLSourcesSay is an invalid source?


He's affiliated with HendricksHockey, the owner of which is a chubby Habs fan who has absolutely nothing to do with sports journalism. I think he's in IT or an engineer or something.

The Twitter account takes other stories and passes them off as his own. If you're following people like Dreger, Bob McKenzie, etc. it's VERY easy to see.

He also makes things up. The biggest (when I was paying attention to that account) was that he was insisting that Mat Schneider was going to retire rather than go and play in the AHL when that whole waivers thing was going on this season. Last I checked, he played a number of games with the Moose before being traded to the Coyotes. So much for retirement.

If you keep track and pay attention it's patently obvious he's just someone with a lot of time on his hands and absolutely zero credentials.

And folks may point to his followers on Twitter as being legitimate...well, he bulk follows people on Twitter who are actively using NHL themed hashtags and gets reciprocals. He added me for a while before dropping me cos I didn't add him back.

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Posted 12 July 2010 - 07:23 PM

Not sure why School Your Pool would be an invalid source. They only report rumours from the legitimate sources and are no different than Spectors Hockey.
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Posted 13 July 2010 - 01:26 PM

Not sure why School Your Pool would be an invalid source. They only report rumours from the legitimate sources and are no different than Spectors Hockey.


I believe the site is shutting down, but I'll answer your question nontheless.

While they do post rumours from legitimate sources and link to those sources (props to them), they are really not providing anything more than what CDC provides itself.

It is mainly a site that conglomerates NHL Rumours into one place, which is exactly what this section of the board is doing. There isn't much of any commentary on the rumours, just a very small excerpt. When users post from SchoolYourPool, they aren't posting the full article, just that excerpt. So in order to get to the original article, users have to go from CDC --> SchoolYourPool --> Original Article.

There isn't really much need for the middleman when users can just post a link to the original source, rather than another site in-between.

The core of the issue is, websites that pop up trying to drive traffic to their site using this sites fanbase. So, they grab articles and news from around the web from legitimate sources and re-post them (sometimes sourcing the sites, sometimes not) acting as a go-between.

I'm not saying SchoolYourPool has any malicious intent, or is trying to do this, but that is the main reason why they get grouped in with that particular type of invalid source.

As for Spector, he writes for Fox Sports. He does write his own articles and tweet his own updates, as well as comment on other sources.

I hope that helps answer your question.
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Posted 13 July 2010 - 09:27 PM

Kuklas Korner does the exact same thing you outlined.
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Posted 14 July 2010 - 11:02 PM

Kuklas Korner does the exact same thing you outlined.


Difference being TheGhostOfRazor and DGFX are affiliated with this website and specifically DGFX keeps posting links to SYP.
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Posted 15 July 2010 - 02:22 PM

Paul Kukla writes for NHL.com. That's where I know him from anyways. I've only really seen him there and also from some of the times he's posted on twitter.

I don't disagree his website does post the news from other sources mostly and then he comments on that news, but it's sort of a grey area because of his background.
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Posted 16 July 2010 - 01:47 PM

He's affiliated with HendricksHockey, the owner of which is a chubby Habs fan who has absolutely nothing to do with sports journalism. I think he's in IT or an engineer or something.

The Twitter account takes other stories and passes them off as his own. If you're following people like Dreger, Bob McKenzie, etc. it's VERY easy to see.

He also makes things up. The biggest (when I was paying attention to that account) was that he was insisting that Mat Schneider was going to retire rather than go and play in the AHL when that whole waivers thing was going on this season. Last I checked, he played a number of games with the Moose before being traded to the Coyotes. So much for retirement.

If you keep track and pay attention it's patently obvious he's just someone with a lot of time on his hands and absolutely zero credentials.

And folks may point to his followers on Twitter as being legitimate...well, he bulk follows people on Twitter who are actively using NHL themed hashtags and gets reciprocals. He added me for a while before dropping me cos I didn't add him back.

But at least he gets the minor signings faster than anybody.... I mean last off-season, he was a pretty big name in the Twitter world for FA signings... Had a good track record.. I dunno, I still follow him.
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Posted 19 July 2010 - 03:34 PM

But at least he gets the minor signings faster than anybody.... I mean last off-season, he was a pretty big name in the Twitter world for FA signings... Had a good track record.. I dunno, I still follow him.


I agree, people need to understand that everything these people say aren't gonna come to fortune, its the trade talks ect behind the scenes that are being let out, i have been following NHLSourcesSay for about a year now and I've been pretty happy with his work, yes he's not always right but he has broke some signings and is pretty on par with his work. If Eklund is a credible source on CDC i dont see why he cant.
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Posted 19 July 2010 - 03:49 PM

CDC is not a reliable source :D
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Posted 19 July 2010 - 04:27 PM

CDC is the ULTRA source. We get every single rumour from the whole internet in 10 minutes. All the signings and trades in less then 3 minutes. We have hundreds of people competing to be the first person to break the story. Non canucks fans should come here for rumours and opinions!!! On top of all that we have our own rumour-validity checking system.... By sheer number of comments and people! (and strict Mods)

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Posted 19 July 2010 - 07:20 PM

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Posted 20 July 2010 - 12:30 AM

I guess we will see alot more Eklund threads starting this season/off season.
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Posted 20 July 2010 - 06:07 PM

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Posted 20 July 2010 - 10:19 PM

Sportsnet also hired Nick Kypreos.

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So yeah, I wouldn't put too much stock into their HR policy :P

It's pretty easy to 'make up' a rumor, and getting legitimate people to be at your site is rather easy. Flash some cash and there you go.

He gets cash from his ridiculous ads and/or pay site.

Uses cash to pay real sports journalists to say a few words on his site.

Gets more cash from idiots listening to his insane ramblings.

It's an awesome business model, but realistically, I remember someone doing a post not too far ago about his accuracy on some of the 'higher' rumors, and it was something like 3%.

Throw enough of it at a wall, something will stick.
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Posted 21 July 2010 - 08:11 PM

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Posted 27 July 2010 - 11:10 PM

Source: "Frolov signing to be made official tomorrow." 1 year deal at upwards of $3 million is what I am being told. 8:01 PM Jul 26th via Twitter for BlackBerry®
Source: Tomas Fleischmann's deal is worth $2.6 million. about 5 hours ago via web


Mods, perfect example why @NHLSourcesSay should be at least considered a credible source.
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Posted 31 July 2010 - 02:32 PM

Mods, perfect example why @NHLSourcesSay should be at least considered a credible source.


He doesn't break the story he just copies other people and acts like he broke it. He has multiple times copied false info. then he just deletes it. He's a bigger fraud than Eklund.
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Posted 31 July 2010 - 02:46 PM

He doesn't break the story he just copies other people and acts like he broke it. He has multiple times copied false info. then he just deletes it. He's a bigger fraud than Eklund.


look at the times posted before anyone else....
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Posted 31 July 2010 - 03:29 PM

He doesn't break the story he just copies other people and acts like he broke it. He has multiple times copied false info. then he just deletes it. He's a bigger fraud than Eklund.


Isn't it about time we heard an explanation from the people who make the rules? An assertion like you just made has to be proven, also. I think @NHLSourcesSay has been pretty reliable for a year now.

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