Key Anti-Prostitution Laws Struck Down By Ontario Court

[suolucidir]

It could result in a much more malicous kind of people smuggling.

I am simply saying all the pros and cons should be looked at and a better straightforward policy brought forward.

[avelanch]

Because I disagre with you I must be "narrow minded"....please. Your vie/index.php?app=forums&module=post&section=post&do=reply_post&f=4&t=287056&qpid=9011444ws">http://forum.canucks.com/index.php?app=forums&module=post&section=post&do=reply_post&f=4&t=287056&qpid=9011444ws are totally unrealistic and reflect the fact you know nothing of the people who are actually on the streets selling their bodies.

Pikton was successfull because he chose women that nobody cared about. Those women would continue to exist if whore-houses were made legal. No whore-house would hire a crack addict and those same drug addicts would continue to sell their bodies on shaddy corners. They would be no less at risk.

Currently, escort agencies operate and have circumvented the laws. Making them legal would just allow them to officially advertise. Once again, it would do nothing to help desperate women on the lower east side.

[lateralus]

It could result in a much more malicous kind of people smuggling.

I am simply saying all the pros and cons should be looked at and a better straightforward policy brought forward.

[ronthecivil]

I was just ribbing ya!

I think that more research should be looked at, other countries that have legalized it, or other forms of control - what is it like there, new problems etc.

Just like the war on drugs, the current laws and system just isn't working.

It's time we stop trying to fight these things and work out some sort of compromise or balance.

[ronthecivil]

That seems like baseless speculation or fear mongering to me. How would it result in more malicious kind of people smuggling?

I definitely don't agree with prostitution as a practice, but criminalizing such acts doesn't really serve to protect anyone. You're criminalizing people who partake in these practices in order to deter people who have no interest in participating in the first place.

[GUIDO]

Because I disagre with you I must be "narrow minded"....please. Your views are totally unrealistic and reflect the fact you know nothing of the people who are actually on the streets selling their bodies.

Pikton was successfull because he chose women that nobody cared about. Those women would continue to exist if whore-houses were made legal. No whore-house would hire a crack addict and those same drug addicts would continue to sell their bodies on shaddy corners. They would be no less at risk.

Currently, escort agencies operate and have circumvented the laws. Making them legal would just allow them to officially advertise. Once again, it would do nothing to help desperate women on the lower east side.

[GUIDO]

It would work just like the current kind like the tamils paying for transport except you get young women who pay for the whole thing by promising to work in the sex trade (like it or not) with threats to the family back home should she back out of the "contract". You never heard of sexual slavery before?

And if you think tourists suck, how about how many will be coming up here to take advantage of the much shorter flights compared to say east asia or europe. That demand will induce supply.

Not saying what were doing now is right but there are dangers to legalisation as well that should be looked at before it's simply deemed as a magic cure all.

[DonLever]

Legalization does not mean there will be no street prostition. All jusrisdiction that have legalize prostitution have street prostitutes. Simply because they are under aged or drug addicted, they will not be allowed in brothels.

[The Situation]

Aren't the street prostitutes brought onto the addiction by their pimps in order for the pimps to control them? This is what a police officer said to our class way back in middle school. Now if brothels were legalized, the price would likely drop and there would be comptetition and a real business going on. The government could regulate to ensure that it is safe sex going on. It wouldn't completely eliminate the street prostitution but it would hurt it. It sort of like buying liquor at a store vs buying from some shady person on the street. The shady person on the street charges less but it could be a lot more dangerous and you could get busted. Most people would choose the store option.

[taxi]

It would allow the women on the lower east side to organize (or someone to organize them) and would allow them to get off the street and into designated prostitution houses, which would have better security and would be safer for everyone involved.

Escort agencies haven't circumvented the law, they just pay enough to the government to not be prosecuted. Same with massage parlors (special licenses, but they can still be prosecuted, and you see it happening from time to time, usually when they fail to get/renew their license).

[taxi]

Who's to say no whore-house would hire a crack addict? I mean obviously no high class place is going to higher them but like all things in life there are people who can afford different price levels. Why can't there be mid and lower level houses to cater to all ranges of incomes?

[Perfect From Now On]

prostitution isn't going anywhere and has been around for a looong time, might as while make it as safe as possible for the women involved.

[ronthecivil]

Legally there is nothing stopping women on the DTES from organizing already. Non-profit agencies are fully able to organize women in any way they want. Do you really think that legalized pimps and whore houses would really have these women's best interests in mind.

Since legalizing prostitution, Amsteram has become the world's #1 destination for human trafficking:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/6497799.stm

Not only that, the red light district has attracted massive amounts of organized crime. So much so that the Netherlands is now scaling back on brothel and "window" permits on a massive scale:

http://www.timesonli....cle5400641.ece

With the USA next door, which is never likely to legalize prostitution, Canada would become a sex tourist destination. We'd end up with brothels filled with traficked sex slave workers and the women in the DTES would still be on the street. It's not working in Amsterdam. Why would it work here?

[ronthecivil]

prostitution isn't going anywhere and has been around for a looong time, might as while make it as safe as possible for the women involved.

[taxi]

That's the problem with the courts tossing out our laws, it leaves us wide open to even greater problems because the long term effects aren't thought out. I can see them telling parliment to make up their minds instead of the passive aggressive way that keeps it legal but dangerous but in effect the becomes a knee jerk reaction who's consequences might be more dire than the one's they are supposedly fixing.

[Dellins]

It's not working in Amsterdam. Why would it work here?

[Perfect From Now On]

The question is does legalising it actually do that? If it's legal it's not unreasonable to expect the demand to surge which recent history shows will result in an increase in supply, often in some very disturbing ways.

[ronthecivil]

I wouldn't be opposed to chainging the laws. However, I have trouble seeing how you could be more lax on pimps and brothels without encouraging organized crime and human trafickers to step in.

Maybe no pimps but licenses and STD testing instead? Maybe that protects the consumer more than the women though.

[ronthecivil]

that's a valid point and I would be interested to see how the legalization of prostitution in The Netherlands effected local demand. However there is no argument that demand would increase as a result of sex tourism. I do believe though that legalization and regulation would greatly benefit the women involved by protecting them from abusive clients, and eliminating violent and abusive pimps. I also think that this would make it a more legitimate profession and would likely reduce the level of human trafficking associated with the sex industry because the safer and more legitimate working environment might increase the supply of voluntary sex workers.

[taxi]

Please explain, I'm not saying you're wrong, I'm just wondering what is happening there that is preventing it from working.