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Posted 26 October 2012 - 01:52 PM

YOU CALLED ME :lol:

And please enlighten me as to why my opinion is inapplicable and uninformed .

I have educated myself on the basic laws of prostitution in your country , and in my HONEST opinion , they need to be changed .

As always here to enlighten :)

You rely upon a statement from a Melbourne (Australia) escort service owner to then extrapolate that prostitutes in Canada are not generally forced into the profession by circumstances (addiction, poverty, etc) or forcibly recruited by traffickers and pimps as the uncontradicted evidence before the courts in Canada supports. That constitutes relying upon evidence that leads to an uninformed opinion.

In my case I not only have book larnin' but also direct and relevant experience.
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Posted 26 October 2012 - 01:54 PM

There's a pretty good history of it in numerous threads. I remember Ron and you having a pretty good back and forth more than once. But whatever floats your boat Wet ;)

The problem with Ron is that he often misapprehends the written and case law and I correct him. That is something quite different than the position that you contend.
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Posted 26 October 2012 - 01:55 PM

You rely upon a statement from a Melbourne (Australia) escort service owner to then extrapolate that prostitutes in Canada are not generally forced into the profession by circumstances (addiction, poverty, etc) or forcibly recruited by traffickers and pimps as the uncontradicted evidence before the courts in Canada supports. That constitutes relying upon evidence that leads to an uninformed opinion.

In my case I not only have book larnin' but also direct and relevant experience.


Or was he trying to say that if our laws were more like the ones he's referring to, that the women's circumstances might BECOME similar...?
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Posted 26 October 2012 - 01:57 PM

The problem with Ron is that he often misapprehends the written and case law and I correct him. That is something quite different than the position that you contend.


No, I seem to remember it going more like:

[coles notes] Ron had "X" argument. You replied that "that's not the law" (with corresponding 18 paragraph legal cut and paste) and him responding that "he knows that, the current laws are stupid and should be changed".[/coles notes]

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Posted 26 October 2012 - 01:57 PM

Nope that is incorrect.

I have supported amending laws where it makes sense.

In this case negating the Criminal Code provisions at issue in this case leaves prostitutes more exposed to exploitation by pimps and human traffickers.


And i would just like to apologise for that comment about scumbag lawyers .
It was in no way directed at you .
I have had so many bad experiences with lawyers ,that now i have a general contempt for your profession .
I am an imperfect human being , and i strive every day to be a better person , especially in regard to the way i treat other people .

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Posted 26 October 2012 - 01:59 PM

Or was he trying to say that if our laws were more like the ones he's referring to, that the women's circumstances might BECOME similar...?


Bang on JR .

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Posted 26 October 2012 - 02:01 PM

Bang on JR .

Actually not as my posting history puts paid to such a claim.
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Posted 26 October 2012 - 02:05 PM

You rely upon a statement from a Melbourne (Australia) escort service owner to then extrapolate that prostitutes in Canada are not generally forced into the profession by circumstances (addiction, poverty, etc) or forcibly recruited by traffickers and pimps as the uncontradicted evidence before the courts in Canada supports. That constitutes relying upon evidence that leads to an uninformed opinion.

In my case I not only have book larnin' but also direct and relevant experience.


I am not going to talk details about my personal experiences of working with prostitutes on a internet forum , suffice to say my job was to protect them .
And i did this because a friend {prostitute } asked me to .

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Posted 26 October 2012 - 02:30 PM

Actually not as my posting history puts paid to such a claim.


Actually Yes , and i thought you were intelligent enough to pick up on that .

Here is a link to an organisation i support , www.scarletalliance.org.au/laws/vic

on that site you will find the laws in relation to prostitution in the state of victoria , i tried to post them up but this site would not let me .

To avoid further confusion on your part , i am stating that , if your laws were simmiliar to our laws , then the working conditions of sexworkers in your country would be a lot safer , like they are for most sex workers here .

To you they are just clients , to me, they were my friends .

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Posted 26 October 2012 - 04:13 PM

Actually Yes , and i thought you were intelligent enough to pick up on that .

Here is a link to an organisation i support , www.scarletalliance.org.au/laws/vic

on that site you will find the laws in relation to prostitution in the state of victoria , i tried to post them up but this site would not let me .

To avoid further confusion on your part , i am stating that , if your laws were simmiliar to our laws , then the working conditions of sexworkers in your country would be a lot safer , like they are for most sex workers here .

To you they are just clients , to me, they were my friends .

Actually the vast majority of prostitutes that I have encountered were victims.
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Posted 26 October 2012 - 04:25 PM

Actually the vast majority of prostitutes that I have encountered were victims.


That seems very logical to me , as your dealing's with them are in a professional capacity .

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Posted 26 October 2012 - 07:39 PM

Reducing Violence Against Sex Workers


:
What are the Policy Options?
Executive Summary
In November 2010, the current human rights record of the United States was reviewed by the United Nations Human
Rights Council. As part of this process, members of the U.N. made a series of recommendations toward improving
human rights in the U.S. In recommendation #92.86, member state Uruguay called on the Obama Administration to



undertake awareness-raising campaigns for combating stereotypes and violence against gays, lesbians, bisexuals and
[transgender people],

i and ensure access to public services paying attention to the special vulnerability of [sex]
workers

ii to violence and human rights abuses.”iii
This recommendation from the global community highlights human rights issues that have gone unnoticed for too
long. Sex workers—that is people who engage in sexual commerce for income and subsistence needs—are members
of families and communities in all parts of the United States. Because of stigma and criminalization sex workers—and
those profiled as such—are subjected to violence and discrimination, and are impeded from accessing critical services,
such as healthcare, and the right to equal protection under the law. State agents themselves, specifically police officers,
commit physical and sexual violence against sex workers. These abuses are particularly rampant in poor and working
class, urban, majority African-American and immigrant communities and also greatly affect lesbian, bisexual and
transgender (LGBT) people. Globally, the U.S. federal anti-prostitution policies, such as the “anti-prostitution
pledge,” have had dire consequences for international HIV/AIDS efforts.
The U.S. Federal Government can show progress in addressing human rights abuses against sex workers by a)
accepting recommendation #92.86, and B) engaging in concrete, politically-feasible steps that can minimize human
rights abuses including at a minimum:
1. Building capacity for states to address human rights violations through research and dialogue.
2. Modifying or eliminating existing federal policies that conflate sex work and human trafficking and prevent
sex workers from accessing services such as healthcare, HIV prevention and support.
3. Investigating and preventing human rights abuses perpetrated by state agents, such as law enforcement
officers.
4. Investigating the impact of criminalization, including state level criminal laws, on sex workers and other
groups.
Context and Importance of the Problem
People of all gender identities and sexual orientations are involved in sex work in the U.S. work in a wide array of
settings such as clubs, brothels, in their or other’s homes, in hotels, outdoors, and in other spaces. Sex workers are
also family members and community representatives; many are parents; many work in other forms of employment or
study while also being involved in sex work.
Violence and other forms of human rights abuses against sex workers are endemic in the United States. All sex
workers face these issues but outdoor workers, transgender people, people of color, migrants, low-income people and
youth consistently bear a heavy burden of police abuse and harassment, institutional discrimination, and violence.
Violence stems from many sources including a widespread belief that sex workers are not eligible for police or legal
protection because of criminalization.

iv Police themselves often do not protect sex workers or perpetrate abuse
themselves. In a New York City-based study, 27% of sex workers surveyed had experienced violence at the hands of
law enforcement.

v Another study in Washington D.C. found that more than 50% of sex workers who went to the
police for assistance were either ignored or further abused by officers.

vi Lack of protection from violence, stigma, and
human rights abuse by state agents has a devastating impact; in one study the standardized mortality rate for death by
HUMAN
RIGHTS
FOR
ALL
CONCER
homicide among sex workers was nearly 18 times higher than the general population.

vii Criminalization and stigma
affect sex workers in a myriad of other ways including a cycle of arrest, incarceration, exclusion from housing,
healthcare, education and other job opportunities, and re-imprisonment.

If prostitution was legal , then many of these problems could be solved


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Edited by The Ratiocinator, 26 October 2012 - 07:40 PM.

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Posted 26 October 2012 - 07:53 PM

Reducing Violence Against Sex Workers


:
What are the Policy Options?
Executive Summary
In November 2010, the current human rights record of the United States was reviewed by the United Nations Human
Rights Council. As part of this process, members of the U.N. made a series of recommendations toward improving
human rights in the U.S. In recommendation #92.86, member state Uruguay called on the Obama Administration to



undertake awareness-raising campaigns for combating stereotypes and violence against gays, lesbians, bisexuals and
[transgender people],

i and ensure access to public services paying attention to the special vulnerability of [sex]
workers

ii to violence and human rights abuses.”iii
This recommendation from the global community highlights human rights issues that have gone unnoticed for too
long. Sex workers—that is people who engage in sexual commerce for income and subsistence needs—are members
of families and communities in all parts of the United States. Because of stigma and criminalization sex workers—and
those profiled as such—are subjected to violence and discrimination, and are impeded from accessing critical services,
such as healthcare, and the right to equal protection under the law. State agents themselves, specifically police officers,
commit physical and sexual violence against sex workers. These abuses are particularly rampant in poor and working
class, urban, majority African-American and immigrant communities and also greatly affect lesbian, bisexual and
transgender (LGBT) people. Globally, the U.S. federal anti-prostitution policies, such as the “anti-prostitution
pledge,” have had dire consequences for international HIV/AIDS efforts.
The U.S. Federal Government can show progress in addressing human rights abuses against sex workers by a)
accepting recommendation #92.86, and B) engaging in concrete, politically-feasible steps that can minimize human
rights abuses including at a minimum:
1. Building capacity for states to address human rights violations through research and dialogue.
2. Modifying or eliminating existing federal policies that conflate sex work and human trafficking and prevent
sex workers from accessing services such as healthcare, HIV prevention and support.
3. Investigating and preventing human rights abuses perpetrated by state agents, such as law enforcement
officers.
4. Investigating the impact of criminalization, including state level criminal laws, on sex workers and other
groups.
Context and Importance of the Problem
People of all gender identities and sexual orientations are involved in sex work in the U.S. work in a wide array of
settings such as clubs, brothels, in their or other’s homes, in hotels, outdoors, and in other spaces. Sex workers are
also family members and community representatives; many are parents; many work in other forms of employment or
study while also being involved in sex work.
Violence and other forms of human rights abuses against sex workers are endemic in the United States. All sex
workers face these issues but outdoor workers, transgender people, people of color, migrants, low-income people and
youth consistently bear a heavy burden of police abuse and harassment, institutional discrimination, and violence.
Violence stems from many sources including a widespread belief that sex workers are not eligible for police or legal
protection because of criminalization.

iv Police themselves often do not protect sex workers or perpetrate abuse
themselves. In a New York City-based study, 27% of sex workers surveyed had experienced violence at the hands of
law enforcement.

v Another study in Washington D.C. found that more than 50% of sex workers who went to the
police for assistance were either ignored or further abused by officers.

vi Lack of protection from violence, stigma, and
human rights abuse by state agents has a devastating impact; in one study the standardized mortality rate for death by
HUMAN
RIGHTS
FOR
ALL
CONCER
homicide among sex workers was nearly 18 times higher than the general population.

vii Criminalization and stigma
affect sex workers in a myriad of other ways including a cycle of arrest, incarceration, exclusion from housing,
healthcare, education and other job opportunities, and re-imprisonment.

If prostitution was legal , then many of these problems could be solved


BASELESS MY SWEET PETARD

Again this seems to be an issue involving a country other than Canada with a vastly different criminal law regime - state based criminal codes.

Perhaps you can find some relevant evidence that applies to Canada and the issue under discussion in this thread so your opinions vis a vis CANADA are not so badly uninformed.

A good start would be to read the Supreme Court of Canada decision in the Prostitution Reference - Reference re ss. 193 & 195.1(1)© of Criminal Code (Canada), (the Prostitution Reference), [1990] 1 S.C.R. 1123 - that would be relevant.
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Posted 26 October 2012 - 07:56 PM

Again this seems to be an issue involving a country other than Canada with a vastly different criminal law regime - state based criminal codes.

Perhaps you can find some relevant evidence that applies to Canada and the issue under discussion in this thread so your opinions vis a vis CANADA are not so badly uninformed.

A good start would be to read the Supreme Court of Canada decision in the Prostitution Reference - Reference re ss. 193 & 195.1(1)© of Criminal Code (Canada), (the Prostitution Reference), [1990] 1 S.C.R. 1123 - that would be relevant.


This article intimates , that making prostitution legal enables sex workers to have a safer working enviroment , and less prone to abuse by the their clients and the police .

Are you deliberately trying to be obtuse ?

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Posted 26 October 2012 - 08:02 PM

This article intimates , that making prostitution legal enables sex workers to have a safer working enviroment , and less prone to abuse by the their clients and the police .

Are you deliberately trying to be obtuse ?

Nope. are you?

You cite an article that "intimates" and does not apply to Canada so it has little value and less relevance to the specific issue under discussion in this thread involving very specific provisions of the CRIMINAL CODE OF CANADA.

You do realize that in the US the federal government has very limited power to force state compliance with international agreements, do you not?
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Posted 26 October 2012 - 08:08 PM

Decriminalizing acts with prostitution (and/or advertising for it) should, in theory, make the industry safer for women AND men who are involved.

I found the Supreme Court case very interesting, where they were deliberating over the car and whether it constituted as a "private place".
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Posted 26 October 2012 - 08:08 PM

You seem to be missing the point ,i am saying that your laws are what is contributing to the problems sex workers have in your country , and if those laws were changed , sexworkers would have a safer enviroment to work in .

I am really disapointed in you wetcoaster , even though we disagree on some things i had respect for your insight and intelligence , but you had to destroy that by posting immature , childish , personal attacks on me in another thread .

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Posted 26 October 2012 - 08:11 PM

Decriminalizing acts with prostitution (and/or advertising for it) should, in theory, make the industry safer for women AND men who are involved.

I found the Supreme Court case very interesting, where they were deliberating over the car and whether it constituted as a "private place".


This is what happened in my country .

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Posted 26 October 2012 - 08:13 PM

^ Get used to disappointment.

Anyhow, without further delay, let's talk about your topic.

Prostitution and human trafficking are definitely connected. And it is the laws governing prostitution, or rather, the laws involving solicitation that make underground economies function exceptionally well.

People make money because things are ILLEGAL.

And when there's the illegal factor involved, there will be exploitation.

Bootlegging alcohol, for example, during the Prohibition period, is an example of an underground economy.

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Posted 26 October 2012 - 08:20 PM

You seem to be missing the point ,i am saying that your laws are what is contributing to the problems sex workers have in your country , and if those laws were changed , sexworkers would have a safer enviroment to work in .

I am not missing the point. I understand what you are peddling and I disagree.

The provisions under discussion are there to allow control and prosecution of pimps and human traffickers (scum of the earth IMHO) - the ones exploiting the prostitutes.

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Posted 26 October 2012 - 08:27 PM

I am not missing the point. I understand what you are peddling and I disagree.

The provisions under discussion are there to allow control and prosecution of pimps and human traffickers (scum of the earth IMHO) - the ones exploiting the prostitutes.


...which I think, ironically, promote the business of pimps and human traffickers.

By regulating the prostitution industry and making it transparent, it allows clients and prostitutes to do their daily business in a controlled environment, while also crashing the markets for people trying to make a business out of it.

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Posted 26 October 2012 - 08:28 PM

Decriminalizing acts with prostitution (and/or advertising for it) should, in theory, make the industry safer for women AND men who are involved.

I found the Supreme Court case very interesting, where they were deliberating over the car and whether it constituted as a "private place".

The problem is that voiding the Criminal Code sections at issue means that it is much easier for pimps, human traffickers and gangs to profit off the prostitute. So just further victimization which is the basis for the government appeal and what was determined during the prior Prostitution Reference case.

In the real world, such criminal sanctions are needed.
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Posted 26 October 2012 - 08:30 PM

The problem is that voiding the Criminal Code sections at issue means that it is much easier for pimps, human traffickers and gangs to profit off the prostitute. So just further victimization which is the basis for the government appeal and what was determined during the prior Prostitution Reference case.

In the real world, such criminal sanctions are needed.


You don't necessarily have to void it. Some parts like underaged prostitution should never be allowed, but I admit, legalizing other aspects that are related to prostitution could possibly cause criminals to rely more heavily on underaged prostitution to make their money.
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Posted 26 October 2012 - 08:32 PM

...which I think, ironically, promote the business of pimps and human traffickers.

By regulating the prostitution industry and making it transparent, it allows clients and prostitutes to do their daily business in a controlled environment and while also crashing the markets for people trying to make a business out of it.

Prostitution per se is already legal.

And regulation? Do you think that the municipalities want anything to do with this issue as that is where the regulation would devolve upon. Over the years municipalities have been opposed to getting involved in this area.
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Posted 26 October 2012 - 08:35 PM

You don't necessarily have to void it. Some parts like underaged prostitution should never be allowed, but I admit, legalizing other aspects that are related to prostitution could possibly cause criminals to rely more heavily on underaged prostitution to make their money.

This is a court case arguing the Charter - if the provisions are unconstitutional as is being argued then that is the result.

52. (1) The Constitution of Canada is the supreme law of Canada, and any law that is inconsistent with the provisions of the Constitution is, to the extent of the inconsistency, of no force or effect.


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Posted 26 October 2012 - 08:35 PM

I am not missing the point. I understand what you are peddling and I disagree.

The provisions under discussion are there to allow control and prosecution of pimps and human traffickers (scum of the earth IMHO) - the ones exploiting the prostitutes.


Read the post above you , making things illegal only drives them underground , and allows more injustice to be visited upon the people invovled .

I hate pimps and human traffickers to , i have actually physically beaten the crap out of several pimps , which was many years ago before prostitution was legal here in victoria , and since it has been legalised , pimps seem to have disapeared .

I also have friends in the Hells Angel and Coffin Cheaters , guys i grew up with, and since prostitution has become legal , outlaw motorcylce clubs have stopped their push to become invovled in the industry , what does this tell you .

and i am not peddling anything mate , i genuinely care about these women for the same reason that i give a sizeable portion of the income i generate to others less fortunate than i , i empathise with others .

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Posted 26 October 2012 - 08:37 PM

Read the post above you , making things illegal only drives them underground , and allows more injustice to be visited upon the people invovled .

I hate pimps and human traffickers to , i have actually physically beaten the crap out of several pimps , which was many years ago before prostitution was legal here in victoria , and since it has been legalised , pimps seem to have disapeared .

I also have friends in the Hells Angel and Coffin Cheaters , guys i grew up with, and since prostitution has become legal , outlaw motorcylce clubs have stopped their push to become invovled in the industry , what does this tell you .

Prostitution is not illegal in Canada.

What the Criminal Code sections at issue do is criminalize the actions of those such as pimps, human traffickers and gangs who seek to live off the earnings of the prostitutes.
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Posted 26 October 2012 - 08:39 PM

Prostitution per se is already legal.

And regulation? Do you think that the municipalities want anything to do with this issue as that is where the regulation would devolve upon. Over the years municipalities have been opposed to getting involved in this area.


Sorry, I should have been more specific; I meant soliciting involving underaged girls/women. That should never ever be legal. I have been aware that prostitution IS legal, but the surrounding activities around it are not (i.e. solicitation, etc)

Yes, it is a hot-button issue, but sweeping it under the rug doesn't make it go away.

Anyhow, there's been some updates:

http://www.ottawacit...5507/story.html

Supreme Court to hear appeal of prostitution law; brothel ban stays for now



By Natalie Stechyson, Postmedia News October 25, 2012



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The Supreme Court of Canada is willing to take a look at the country's main laws controlling prostitution. In this photo: A German prostitute, called Eve, waits for clients behind her window in the red light district of Amsterdam.

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OTTAWA — Canada’s top court has announced it will review a lower-court decision that gave Ontario’s sex workers the legal right to work in brothels and hire bodyguards and drivers. The development is important because the Supreme Court of Canada’s final ruling will apply across the country.
The court said on Thursday it will hear an appeal of a lower-court ruling last March that said some of the country’s anti-prostitution rules placed unconstitutional restrictions on prostitutes’ ability to protect themselves.
At the same time, the court will also hear a cross-appeal by three former and current sex workers who argue that the law against public solicitation is also unconstitutional.
Canada’s sex workers are “delighted” that the court will hear the cross-appeal and that the ultimate decision will apply beyond just Ontario, said Nikki Thomas, the executive director of the Sex Professionals of Canada and a Toronto-based escort.
“The fact that sex workers in general and street-based sex workers in particular are disproportionately targeted for violence speaks to the fact that the laws on the books have done nothing but make our job less safe,” Thomas said.
“This provides us with the best possible means of having our voices heard in the highest court in the land and, based on what the Ontario Court of Appeal has already stated, we are optimistic that they will take a rational approach.”
The decision by the Ontario Court of Appeal earlier this year allowed sex workers in Ontario to hire drivers, bodyguards and support staff, and to work indoors in organized brothels, or “bawdy houses,” to make their work safer.
Soliciting customers in a public place, which the court saw as a “reasonable limit on the right to freedom of expression,” remained illegal. But not allowing this basic communication with a potential client removes the “critical distance” needed to determine if that person is a threat, Thomas said.
The law that banned living “wholly or in part on the avails of prostitution of another person” was amended to include “in circumstances of exploitation.” The cross-appeal will seek clarity on what “exploitation” means, Thomas said, arguing that the wording is too vague.
“The removal of these laws will give us the additional means to provide the accountability that we need to keep ourselves safe,” Thomas said.
The federal government applied for leave to appeal to the Supreme Court on May 25, according to court documents. And the respondents — former and current sex workers Terri-Jean Bedford, Amy Lebovitch and Valerie Scott — applied for the cross-appeal a month later.
Justice Minister Rob Nicholson said in April that the federal government believes the Criminal Code provisions on prostitution are “constitutionally sound.”
“It is important to clarify the constitutionality of the law and remove the uncertainty this decision has created,” Nicholson said at the time.
“The Criminal Code provisions denounce and deter the most harmful and public aspects of prostitution.”
The Ontario court’s previous decision will be stayed until the court hands down a judgment in the appeal and cross-appeal, the Supreme Court said Thursday.
It is not yet known when the case will be heard.
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I think the anti-exploitation rhetoric in the CCC should remain untouched to some extent, only that activities surrounding prostitution should be decriminalized. Prostitutes should also be given a legitimate outlet to ween off drug habits, as well as information hotline regarding their rights. If they are allowed to participate more with the general public, prostitutes are less likely to be exploited because they can be more educated and legitimized. The public also has more general awareness.

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Posted 26 October 2012 - 08:59 PM

Nope. are you?

You cite an article that "intimates" and does not apply to Canada so it has little value and less relevance to the specific issue under discussion in this thread involving very specific provisions of the CRIMINAL CODE OF CANADA.

You do realize that in the US the federal government has very limited power to force state compliance with international agreements, do you not?

It really does seem like you're purposely missing the point and jabbing for a reaction.

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Posted 27 October 2012 - 10:56 AM

It really does seem like you're purposely missing the point and jabbing for a reaction.

I get the point he is trying to make... I simply disagree and with good reason supported by cogent and more to the point relevant supporting material.
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