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Pretty simple concept, If player A doesn't do something then event A happens. If player B doesn't do something then event A happens. Neither player A or B are 100% at fault for the occurence of event A, but if either player gets it right event A doesn't occur.

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I would love to see at least one Bieksa homer actually admit he was terrible last night......

I am a Bieksa "homer", wallstreet. And I agree that he was poor against the Lightning. Biggest blunder... missed hit on Stamkos. Was OK tonight against a weak Coilers crew, though.

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Pretty simple concept, If player A doesn't do something then event A happens. If player B doesn't do something then event A happens. Neither player A or B are 100% at fault for the occurence of event A, but if either player gets it right event A doesn't occur.

So wouldn't the Canuck that coughed up the puck or lost the faceoff be more responsible than Bieksa? Because if that did't happen it never gets to our zone in the first place. So who shoulders the prime responsibility? Should it be whoever gave Tampa puck possession because if that didn't happen then Bieksa never would have tried to hit Stampkos and missed. How far back in the play can we go with stupidity to lay blame? Or does that path just automatically end at Bieksa by default regardless of any other errors.

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Pretty simple concept, If player A doesn't do something then event A happens. If player B doesn't do something then event A happens. Neither player A or B are 100% at fault for the occurence of event A, but if either player gets it right event A doesn't occur.

Well then in this world can't we just say everyone on the ice is responsible. If 10 plays prior player E doesn't pass the puck to player D instead of player C Event A doesn't happen. Everyone on the ice is to blame for this reason and I agree it is a pretty simple concept. That's why saying that if player A gets it right event A doesn't occur is pretty meaningless in this wishy washy equation of "it's not his 100% his fault but he did it."

Reality though dictates that there are people who are more at fault, somtimes it obvious and sometimes you have to look at an entire play to see it.

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No, I know that.  We had a discussion about it much earlier in the thread where everyone agreed Bieksa's defensive game was improved from last year.  My point was he was bottom 5 3 years running, and at that point in time Bieksa was once again bottom 10, but this year he's only bottom 25.

I have been looking at these stats from the start of the year. There are 2 games that the data has not been recorded from and this really skews these stats. Nhl.com stats have Edler and Ehrhoff on for 17 ESGA and they were scored against at 4 vs 4 once that I recall. That’s a 33.3% discrepancy in this stat from nhl.com to behindthenet.ca because of 2 games not recorded. Furthermore Bieksa had been on for 21 ESGF from nhl.com one of which was 4 vs 4 that I recall and behindthenet.ca has him on for 18 5vs5 goals for. This is an 11.1% discrepancy of this stat.

Since discussing stats with you when you last came on here with the behindthenet.ca numbers I have been tracking these stats myself. I don’t separate 4vs4 play from 5vs5 and combine ES, SH, and PP numbers to come up with my own +/- stat. First I calculate the players GF and GA stats in terms of minutes played. Then calculate the average ES, PP, and SH time in a 60 minute Canuck game. Using all theses numbers I calculate a +/- stat that incorporates all in game situations for each D-man.

ESGF ESGA PPGF PPGA SHGF SHGA GF GA Rating

Bieksa 2.16 2.26 0.78 0.52 0.09 0 2.93 2.78 0.15

Ehrhoff 2.37 1.75 1.19 0.39 0.13 0.06 3.56 2.14 1.41

Edler 2.24 1.59 0.99 0.67 0.10 0.05 3.23 2.26 0.97

Hamhuis 2.45 2.45 0.46 0.30 0 0 2.91 2.75 0.16

Ballard 2.59 1.95 0.79 0.93 0 0 3.39 2.88 0.51

Alberts 1.50 1.91 0.18 0.53 0.13 0 1.68 2.44 -0.76

Rome 1.37 1.71 0.89 0.80 0 0 2.26 2.51 -0.25

Parent 0.00 2.63 0.00 0.00 0 0 0.00 2.63 -2.63

Since Alberts has no PP to make an accurate judgement of his effectiveness on the PP his PPGF stat is calculated by using his ESGF/ESTOI information.

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Absolute garbage.

One of CDC's most noted trolls is calling as goal "all Bieksa's fault" and you, as supposed "moderate" are agreeing with him.

I thought you said you know hockey. If you agree with Canuckelion's assessment, then you don't know sh!t.

I'm hardly a troll, I'm just not an extreme Bieksa lover.

If you consider my 'trade Bieksa' posts trolling, then so are the blind Bieksa love posts exhibited by yourself and a few others. They are opposite positions that provoke a response. The definition of trolling. Mr Love troll. lol.

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Bieksa was soooooo primed to make the big hit on Stamkos.

I was like :shock: WTF?!? when he missed his check.

Then :picard: when they scored right afterwards.

When Alberts made the big hit behind the net...I screamed at the TV.

"That's how you're supposed to hit".

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I'm hardly a troll, I'm just not an extreme Bieksa lover.

If you consider my 'trade Bieksa' posts trolling, then so are the blind Bieksa love posts exhibited by yourself and a few others. They are opposite positions that provoke a response. The definition of trolling. Mr Love troll. lol.

The only reason you're not considered the biggest troll on the board is because there are clowns like Tatoes, hank&dan, Kes101 and Tomn8r for you to overcome.

Keep trying though, you're catching up.

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The only reason you're not considered the biggest troll on the board is because there are clowns like Tatoes, hank&dan, Kes101 and Tomn8r for you to overcome.

Keep trying though, you're catching up.

lol

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I posted this suggestion on the VAN/NYI trade rumour thread...

A wild out-of-the box suggestion.

When Salo gets off the LTIR. VAN trades Bieksa to NYI for a 3rd. At trade deadline...NYI trades Bieksa back to VAN for a 2nd. Not sure how the cap works cuz we've all seen how a 4M player at the start of the season becomes a 2M player at trade deadline.

So basically VAN trades a 2nd for a 3rd for NYI help with the cap.

Again...not sure if this can work (need the resident CDC capologist to take a look at it).

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I posted this suggestion on the VAN/NYI trade rumour thread...

A wild out-of-the box suggestion.

When Salo gets off the LTIR. VAN trades Bieksa to NYI for a 3rd. At trade deadline...NYI trades Bieksa back to VAN for a 2nd. Not sure how the cap works cuz we've all seen how a 4M player at the start of the season becomes a 2M player at trade deadline.

So basically VAN trades a 2nd for a 3rd for NYI help with the cap.

Again...not sure if this can work (need the resident CDC capologist to take a look at it).

The main reason it wouldn't work is because the Nuck's would still have that overpriced, lightweight, mistake prone, turnover machine Bieksa.

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^ The guys been one of our best dmen for the last few weeks. If he continues to play the way he is, we're better off keeping him. Even with his cap hit.

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Thhhhhhhhhhhhe wheeels on the bus go round n round...

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Reality though dictates that there are people who are more at fault, somtimes it obvious and sometimes you have to look at an entire play to see it.

^ This is why I think Edler is so brutal. I'll admit right now he has offensive upside, But defensively he's a fu(king nightmare. If you watch the whole play he has piss-poor decision makeing and often will put his other d-man out of position. Then Bieksa, Ballard, Erhoff or whomever it may be is forced try to do something desperate. They look totally out of position and you question what they were doing out there, not realizing bobbles put them in that position. I wish more people would look at the whole play before placeing blame. IMO Bieksa is one of the best at creating angles and consistantly makes sure the puck gets out.

I wish Darren(Canucklion) would just learn to get a peice of pu$$ and move out of home so that he didn't have to spend 12 hours a day with his wingman(WSA) bashing Beiksa, its really getting pathetic.

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Well then in this world can't we just say everyone on the ice is responsible. If 10 plays prior player E doesn't pass the puck to player D instead of player C Event A doesn't happen. Everyone on the ice is to blame for this reason and I agree it is a pretty simple concept. That's why saying that if player A gets it right event A doesn't occur is pretty meaningless in this wishy washy equation of "it's not his 100% his fault but he did it."

Reality though dictates that there are people who are more at fault, somtimes it obvious and sometimes you have to look at an entire play to see it.

Jesus, obviously you guys know what I mean by saying that, it's a simple way of showing how someone can be at fault without it being 100 percent his fault. This is just reaching for something to argue against, completely pointless. Every implication does not need to be typed out, I would assume you guys know what somebody did 5 minutes ago doesn't matter.

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So wouldn't the Canuck that coughed up the puck or lost the faceoff be more responsible than Bieksa? Because if that did't happen it never gets to our zone in the first place. So who shoulders the prime responsibility? Should it be whoever gave Tampa puck possession because if that didn't happen then Bieksa never would have tried to hit Stampkos and missed. How far back in the play can we go with stupidity to lay blame? Or does that path just automatically end at Bieksa by default regardless of any other errors.

It pretty much starts with Bieksa and ends with Hansen/Hamhuis because they made the most recent and relevant plays.

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