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Ehrhoff gets half his points on the powerplay and he's played on a pretty good powerplay dating back to his San Jose days

All high point-producing Dmen get at least half their points on the PP no matter who they're playing with. Speaking of PPs, Ehrhoff on our point would look pretty good about now.

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edler does not replace ehrhoff....we were way better with both.

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All high point-producing Dmen get at least half their points on the PP no matter who they're playing with. Speaking of PPs, Ehrhoff on our point would look pretty good about now.

All high point-producing Dmen get at least half their points on the PP no matter who they're playing with. Speaking of PPs, Ehrhoff on our point would look pretty good about now.

Bieksas looking to get 40-45 points this year and is at 38 currently. So far only 8 have been from the pp.

8/38 is not 50%

Edler who is 5 points ahead has 22 EVP to 20 PPP.

With the least amount of PP/game he's second to Edler with 5v4 PTS/60.

I will take 5v5 any day of the week a twice on Saturday, thrice on Sunday. Especially considering the playoffs.

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The answer is simple, the Nuck's get neither without Ehrhoff, and all they get with Bxa is the 'same old 'same old' , 6 yrs and no cup.

Bxa is not good enough to be a top 4 Dman on a Stanley Cup winning team. He is a liability.

As far as simplifying goes I will try to keep it simple so you might understand.

Ehrhoff gets his 40+ points in 82 games whether he is with the Twins or not. The Twins never even got near 100 points until and only if they have a guy like the Hoff to move the puck. The Nuck's did not replace him, that is tough to do. Your grandma could probably play better D than Bxa.

There's no evidence at all Ehrhoff offered to sign for $5.2m. None. You're the only source I've ever seen it from. Unless you're a Canuck insider (lmao) I believe your source is your overactive imagination.

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I've been trying to stay away from this thread but I can no longer hold back.

SHORT VERSION: CANUCKLELION has won the debate!

LESS SHORT VERSION: I like that he gets points (would get so many more if he learned to snap it quickly instead of faking ALL the time), is a good interview, and brings some token amount of toughness so lacking from our other D men, but that just doesn't make up for all his defensive deficiencies.

- in his own zone judgement with the puck is of the WTF variety

- gets walked around with regularity

- seemingly unable to put in error free minutes with anybody save Hamhuis

- refuses to make the simple play, often preferring to pass it back thus increasing the likelihood the puck doesn't get out of our zone until its in the back of the net

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Against the powerhouse Coyotes tonight, lol. Bxawas a brutal -3 and then takes a penalty where the Yotes score on the PP.

Yep, Boo Boo Bxa alright.

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edler does not replace ehrhoff....we were way better with both.

Faith in CDC=Restored.

This team is way better with Ehrhoff than without. Anyone who wants to debate that hasn't watched the games this year. The D looks brutal this year when compared to last year. If the Canucks added a top-four d-man at the deadline or in the offseason they would've been okay, but not replacing Ehrhoff will probably cost them the Stanley Cup.

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Juice was about as fresh tonight as piss warm glass of Tang.

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Not a good night for Bieksa.

Worse night defensively for our forwards, particularly the Sedins. Pinching D-men could not count on getting help from the forwards and the backcheck neglected the trailer a bunch of times.The most glaring example was the first Phoenix goal where Daniel completely ignores the trailer and the puck ends up in the net. At that point of the game I really felt we had Phoenix on the ropes and we let them off.

The entire defensive system seemed off last night as the team pushed to produce.

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Time for a bump, no Bxa last night vs the Av's and guess what, no boneheaded plays by the D. Go figure eh? :lol:

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Time for a bump, no Bxa last night vs the Av's and guess what, no boneheaded plays by the D. Go figure eh? :lol:

Bieksa was in a few nights ago against the Kings and guess what, no boneheaded plays by the D. Go figure eh? :lol:

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Good to see the thread lIves on!

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So after a 4 game hiatus Bxa returned to the line up, and returned to his brutal style of play, too bad eh.

Here was what Jason Botchford had to say..."If there was an unsung player award, and there is, Hamhuis should win in a walk. Not only has he upped his offense, he’s spent most of the year cleaning up Kevin Bieksa’s messes.

If there’s better defencemen at playing the 2-on-1, there arent’ many of them."

http://blogs.theprovince.com/2012/04/06/canucks-hat-trick-pp-crisis-gragnani-useless-and-hamhuiss-excellence/

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This thread is like a zombie. I would somehow relate that to Juice, but really it is Henrik that refuses to die.

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So after a 4 game hiatus Bxa returned to the line up, and returned to his brutal style of play, too bad eh.

Here was what Jason Botchford had to say..."If there was an unsung player award, and there is, Hamhuis should win in a walk. Not only has he upped his offense, he’s spent most of the year cleaning up Kevin Bieksa’s messes.

If there’s better defencemen at playing the 2-on-1, there arent’ many of them."

http://blogs.theprov...iss-excellence/

Botchford is an idiot. He knows little or nothing about hockey as do you. Hamhuis is good, his job is to allow Bieksa to pinch, take chances etc.. When you are the "offensive" D-man you are going to be in more vulnerable positions.

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So after a 4 game hiatus Bxa returned to the line up, and returned to his brutal style of play, too bad eh.

Here was what Jason Botchford had to say..."If there was an unsung player award, and there is, Hamhuis should win in a walk. Not only has he upped his offense, he’s spent most of the year cleaning up Kevin Bieksa’s messes.

If there’s better defencemen at playing the 2-on-1, there arent’ many of them."

http://blogs.theprovince.com/2012/04/06/canucks-hat-trick-pp-crisis-gragnani-useless-and-hamhuiss-excellence/

Can you please explain to me how when people use stats to try to prove you wrong, you say the stats are skewed, and then you come back and provide someones opinion as if it really means something significant?

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Love Hamhuis' game.

Bieksa's game is an adventure in wonderland.

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The Province had been running a post game report card of sorts, by player for each game this season. Surprise, lol, the big revelation is that Bxa is no stud, Here is the recap and the info on Bxa.

2. Kevin Bieksa has a lot to prove this spring. He was a revelation as the team’s defensive leader in last year’s playoffs, but the nickname “Contract-year Kevin” returned when his game slipped drastically this season in the wake of his new five-year, $23-million deal. If the Canucks are to win it all this year, he’s the player who has to raise his game the farthest.

http://blogs.theprovince.com/2012/04/08/bieksa-has-the-farthest-to-raise-his-game-for-playoffs/

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Problem is Bieksa is trying to live up to expectations when he signed the big contract last year. In doing so, he trying to be more offensive this year. He pinches in and take more chances offensively than ever before and gets caught out of position most of the time. His offensive skills are not good enough to play that style. He's is not an elite offensive d-man that can finish on most offensive plays. When he plays outside of his comfort zone, he becomes a detriment to the team. He should stick to playing what he knows is his comfort zone and that is defence as his offensive skills are just average for a d-man.

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