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#5071 wallstreetamigo

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Posted 11 December 2010 - 06:56 PM

i actually don't know why we are talking about ballard... cause he has a no trade clause.... the only 3 the are available to trade are bieksa edler and ehrhoff. there ae opions either way but they are the only ones with our ntc. that are close to what salo makes...


Ballard only has a limited NTC where he can name 7 teams he is willing to accept a trade to.

Having said that, there is little chance MG would trade Ballard anyway. He just got him and he hasn`t even been given a chance to show what he can bring to the team.

Ehrhoff, Edler, and Ballard all should be here ahead of Bieksa. Edler is not even an option to be traded, imo. Not as a mid season cap dump anyway.
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Posted 11 December 2010 - 07:22 PM

anyone who wants Ehrhoff gone instead of bieksa is nuts

Ehrhoff is our PP QB, top puck mover and has the best mobility on the back end
He has helped the sedins transition game so much

Ehrhoff is not a physical defenseman
but bieksa's physical game is nothing to brag about. he is tied at 69 for hits for a defensemen
and ranks behind Alberts, Edler, Ballard and Hamhuis in terms of hits per game

There is no doubt that bieksa is very good fighter. That comes handy during the regular season but not during the playoffs.

The only debatable part of their game is the defensive side
In terms of their performance this season, neither player really has a huge step on the other
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Posted 11 December 2010 - 08:22 PM

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Posted 11 December 2010 - 08:44 PM

there is alot of nothing on here, i actually think a couple of days ago acouple of guys were arguing about hodgson...

It's become like your local neighbourhood pub. Minus the pints of course.

You got you regulars and you got your occassionals all coming by to shoot the crap and then be on their merry way. Most are civilized but you get your occassional heated debate.
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It is not my intent to get in circular arguments with anybody. The reason i have avoided saying anything specific is because i know you or someone else will attempt to find an alternate explanation to my points which i intern will have to defend. I see no point in getting involved with the circular argument that is already well under way in this thread. I simply intended to voice my opinion on the subject. In the end either you accept the possibility of corruption and conspiracy or you don't.

Also i find your comments to be very childish. Does taking what i say out of context, paraphrasing and misquoting it make you feel good about yourself? Grow up.


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Posted 11 December 2010 - 11:28 PM

the hamhuis and bieksa pairing is not working out
bieksa is constantly out of position and it just leaves hamhuis scrambling

We need a more steadier pairing defensively
stick hamhuis and alberts together as the shutdown pairing

edler and ballard as the offensive pairing
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Posted 11 December 2010 - 11:34 PM

kevin bieksa 21:52 ice time tonight
keith ballard 20:50 ice time tonight


DOES THIS MAKE SENSE TO ANYONE?? SOMEONE TELL ME I'M DREAMING THIS.
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Posted 11 December 2010 - 11:46 PM

First, I would be willing to bet that I am much more and better educated than you are, so keep your fail of an insult to yourself. The only idiot here is you. Bieksa is not as good as Ehrhoff or Ballard and not many would argue that point.

You made the (stupid and ridiculous) point that Ballard has "bounced around" to different teams, implying it is because he is not a top Dman. And my point was that if you actually look at who Ballard was traded for and the circumstances behind those trades, you would see that he has not bounced around to teams in the negative way you portray. He has been coveted by other teams in two trades BECAUSE he was a great prospect and then BECAUSE he is a top Dman.

As for the Ehrhoff situation, what do you not understand about the Sharks having zero leverage to demand anything but crap prospects from Vancouver? They were so desperate to get Heatley that they could not demand anything of value in return for Ehrhoff. Vancouver also had to take on Lukowich's contract, another reason Vancouver pushed for Ehrhoff and another reason SJ had zero leverage.

Teams make trades to meet needs. The only need SJ had was to get rid of cap space. To do that, they had to send Ehrhoff in order to be able to get rid of Lukowich too.

Again.....the most likely scenario......Bieksa to be traded.



I don't disagree with any of your points...but won't SJ get a second round pick as compensation for not signing White and letting him go back into the draft? (Umberger, Wheeler)
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Posted 11 December 2010 - 11:46 PM

OH GAWD!!!!!!!!!....please trade him..he cost us the game tonight...WTF ....I'll take a glass Salo over him ANY DAY
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Posted 11 December 2010 - 11:46 PM

It's been like that all season. Bieksa having more minutes, than any of the actual top 4 defense man. (Ballard, Hamhuis, Edler, Ehrhoff). Bieksa is awful.

He may be a decent 5/6th guy, but there's no reason for him to log more than 15+ minutes a game. He's proven time in and time out that he can't play.

Edited by Rey, 11 December 2010 - 11:50 PM.

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Posted 11 December 2010 - 11:49 PM

kevin bieksa 21:52 ice time tonight
keith ballard 20:50 ice time tonight


DOES THIS MAKE SENSE TO ANYONE?? SOMEONE TELL ME I'M DREAMING THIS.


ballard was paired with Edler and their ES icetime is actually not far apart
Edler just played more on the PP

Alberts should have gotten more than 14:29

perhaps AV or bowness needs to see whos going and make those changes in the game
if bieksa craps the bed like that, why keep putting him out there?
if it was Alberts that made those mistakes, he would be in the pressbox next game
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Posted 11 December 2010 - 11:52 PM

ballard was paired with Edler and their ES icetime is actually not far apart
Edler just played more on the PP

Alberts should have gotten more than 14:29

perhaps AV or bowness needs to see whos going and make those changes in the game
if bieksa craps the bed like that, why keep putting him out there?
if it was Alberts that made those mistakes, he would be in the pressbox next game



Bieksa always craps the bed. He does it, noticeably 2-3 times a game. He never pays for it. AV loves the guy, and thus continues to give him minutes. It hasn't changed for the past 2 years, it won't change now.

The only alternative is to trade the bum.
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Posted 11 December 2010 - 11:52 PM

Bieksa should be getting bottom D man minutes. He has played poorly for most of the year, tonight was no different.

Some bad mistakes and we always get scored against when he is on the ice due to his mishaps. I can't wait until he is traded.
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Posted 12 December 2010 - 12:28 AM

The new and improved defensive stalwart Kevin Bieksa! Since he can't put up points any more, time to change the arguement, of course. And don't look now, but in his 5 games, C Schneider is creeping up on #3 in the scoring turtle derby.

Tampa goal #2: Bieksa falls down unhindered like an invalid in front of Schneider, taking our goalie's skates out. Brett Clark: "Yikes! Where'd that empty net come from? Thank you, Big Kevin!"

Tampa goal #4: Bieksa decides to body check the glass, conveniently allowing Stamkos to have the time to make a nice pass to an open man in the slot.

Hey, but everyone makes mistakes. Boom Boom'll get 'em next game!
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Posted 12 December 2010 - 12:38 AM

The new and improved defensive stalwart Kevin Bieksa! Since he can't put up points any more, time to change the arguement, of course. And don't look now, but in his 5 games, C Schneider is creeping up on #3 in the scoring turtle derby.

Tampa goal #2: Bieksa falls down unhindered like an invalid in front of Schneider, taking our goalie's skates out. Brett Clark: "Yikes! Where'd that empty net come from? Thank you, Big Kevin!"

Tampa goal #4: Bieksa decides to body check the glass, conveniently allowing Stamkos to have the time to make a nice pass to an open man in the slot.

Hey, but everyone makes mistakes. Boom Boom'll get 'em next game!


malone's chance early in the first was poor coverage by bieksa
it was his side of the ice and hamhuis had to cover for him

also, on stamkos tip in goal, neither bieksa or hamhuis was in front of the net. henrik was covering
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Posted 12 December 2010 - 04:13 AM

It's been like that all season. Bieksa having more minutes, than any of the actual top 4 defense man. (Ballard, Hamhuis, Edler, Ehrhoff). Bieksa is awful.

he had about a minute of ice time more than Ballard, but less than Hamhuis and Edler. But hey, your analysis isn't totally wrong. He did have a lot more ice time than Ehrhoff. :rolleyes:

Bieksa always craps the bed. He does it, noticeably 2-3 times a game. He never pays for it. AV loves the guy, and thus continues to give him minutes. It hasn't changed for the past 2 years, it won't change now.

The only alternative is to trade the bum.

Funny that we haven't seen you and your scintillating insight around here for quite some time...

The new and improved defensive stalwart Kevin Bieksa! Since he can't put up points any more, time to change the arguement, of course. And don't look now, but in his 5 games, C Schneider is creeping up on #3 in the scoring turtle derby.

Tampa goal #2: Bieksa falls down unhindered like an invalid in front of Schneider, taking our goalie's skates out. Brett Clark: "Yikes! Where'd that empty net come from? Thank you, Big Kevin!"

Tampa goal #4: Bieksa decides to body check the glass, conveniently allowing Stamkos to have the time to make a nice pass to an open man in the slot.

Hey, but everyone makes mistakes. Boom Boom'll get 'em next game!

Wrong (as usual) on the second goal. Go back and watch it again. Bieksa has his feet chopped out from under him by Dominic Moore.

The 4th goal I will grant that he didn't play Stamkos very well, however, SS is the 2nd leading scorer in the NHL. It's expected that he make plays like that. Meanwhile noted sniper Teddy Purcell was open as a result of a lazy backcheck by Hansen, and scored on a shot that Schneider should have had.

Bieksa isn't blameless on that goal, but assigning him all of the blame for it shows how little you understand about the game.
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Posted 12 December 2010 - 09:23 AM

Bieksa always craps the bed. He does it, noticeably 2-3 times a game. He never pays for it. AV loves the guy, and thus continues to give him minutes. It hasn't changed for the past 2 years, it won't change now.

The only alternative is to trade the bum.

Really? Well where was this brilliance from you after the last few games?

I know I know you were busy analyzing prospects and didn't have the time right?

Lol good call on the ice time earlier too. Might wanna check things before you ramble off BS.

If you think that Bieksa is totally to blame for anything last night then you're a bigger fool than someone who thinks Patrick White is a good prospect.

Edited by EmployeeoftheMonth, 12 December 2010 - 09:25 AM.

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Posted 12 December 2010 - 09:45 AM

The 4th goal I will grant that he didn't play Stamkos very well, however, SS is the 2nd leading scorer in the NHL. It's expected that he make plays like that. Meanwhile noted sniper Teddy Purcell was open as a result of a lazy backcheck by Hansen, and scored on a shot that Schneider should have had.

Bieksa isn't blameless on that goal, but assigning him all of the blame for it shows how little you understand about the game.


didn't play Stamkos very well? Nope he didn't play him at all, but he really punished the boards for being in his way. That goal scoring chance was all Bieksa, again he didn't give Stamkos the respect he deserves and went for the hit instead of merely closing the gap while staying between the puck and the net.

I'd love to have a gif of Boom boom's big hit on the boards, lol.
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Posted 12 December 2010 - 01:28 PM

he had about a minute of ice time more than Ballard, but less than Hamhuis and Edler. But hey, your analysis isn't totally wrong. He did have a lot more ice time than Ehrhoff. :rolleyes:


Funny that we haven't seen you and your scintillating insight around here for quite some time...


Wrong (as usual) on the second goal. Go back and watch it again. Bieksa has his feet chopped out from under him by Dominic Moore.

The 4th goal I will grant that he didn't play Stamkos very well, however, SS is the 2nd leading scorer in the NHL. It's expected that he make plays like that. Meanwhile noted sniper Teddy Purcell was open as a result of a lazy backcheck by Hansen, and scored on a shot that Schneider should have had.

Bieksa isn't blameless on that goal, but assigning him all of the blame for it shows how little you understand about the game.


I couldn't agree more!

Bieksa's feet were clearly chopped by Moore and only a blind hater who likes to make things up like the rest of the fools would say that goal was his fault.

The other goal was clearly a result of a forward not covering his man out front leaving the lightening forward wide open this just can't happen.

What i don't get is why Bieksa gets crucified every little error even if its made up and Edler gets a free pass all the time. Edler missed a check on the tap in goal that Schneider let sneak through last night and did't look good all game making several blunders and has had his fair share of bad games all season making mistakes on plenty of goals against.

Anyway Bieksa made several good to great plays last night that go unnoticed by some but thankfully the coaches and GM notice and its up to them Bieksa is on this team not the idiotic haters.

I have been happy with Bieksa all season and appreciate all the good things he does for the team.

Bieksa is having a very solid season and is a key contributor to the teams success that's the truth.

Edited by The Big Luongo, 12 December 2010 - 01:31 PM.

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Posted 12 December 2010 - 01:37 PM

didn't play Stamkos very well? Nope he didn't play him at all, but he really punished the boards for being in his way. That goal scoring chance was all Bieksa, again he didn't give Stamkos the respect he deserves and went for the hit instead of merely closing the gap while staying between the puck and the net.

I'd love to have a gif of Boom boom's big hit on the boards, lol.

For a guy who claims to know a lot about hockey, (yes, I remember you coaching all those guys who made it to the Dub) you don't understand defensive zone coverage very well. Every player on the ice has a responsibility. Hansen and Schneider were both as derelict as was Bieksa.
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Posted 12 December 2010 - 01:46 PM

For a guy who claims to know a lot about hockey, (yes, I remember you coaching all those guys who made it to the Dub) you don't understand defensive zone coverage very well. Every player on the ice has a responsibility. Hansen and Schneider were both as derelict as was Bieksa.



Huh? If Bieksa had of done his job properly, there never would have been a play for Stamkos to make.

On that play, Bieksa was not unlike a first responder to an accident scene, only instead of helping, he crashed the ambulance. That play started with Bieksa's gaffe, he lit the fiire that neither Hansen or Schneider could put out.


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Posted 12 December 2010 - 01:53 PM

Huh? If Bieksa had of done his job properly, there never would have been a play for Stamkos to make.

On that play, Bieksa was not unlike a first responder to an accident scene, only instead of helping, he crashed the ambulance. That play started with Bieksa's gaffe, he lit the fiire that neither Hansen or Schneider could put out.

So why do we even need a goalie? If the defense are responsible for ensuring that no pass in the defensive zone is ever completed, there should be zero shots on goal.

Bieksa isn't blameless on that play, but he's not alone.
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Posted 12 December 2010 - 03:59 PM

The new and improved defensive stalwart Kevin Bieksa! Since he can't put up points any more, time to change the arguement, of course. And don't look now, but in his 5 games, C Schneider is creeping up on #3 in the scoring turtle derby.

Tampa goal #2: Bieksa falls down unhindered like an invalid in front of Schneider, taking our goalie's skates out. Brett Clark: "Yikes! Where'd that empty net come from? Thank you, Big Kevin!"

Tampa goal #4: Bieksa decides to body check the glass, conveniently allowing Stamkos to have the time to make a nice pass to an open man in the slot.

Hey, but everyone makes mistakes. Boom Boom'll get 'em next game!


if you re-watch the second goal you will see that a tampa player took a swing at the bouncing puck, missed and took out bieksa's right foot . therefore causing him to fall into the goalie, you could make an arguement for a penalty even , but either way it's not an "at fault play" really , it would be more like a bad bounce.
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Posted 12 December 2010 - 04:39 PM

So why do we even need a goalie? If the defense are responsible for ensuring that no pass in the defensive zone is ever completed, there should be zero shots on goal.

Bieksa isn't blameless on that play, but he's not alone.


the excuses for this guy...
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Posted 12 December 2010 - 04:56 PM

Was at the game.

It wasnt Juice's best effort...for every brain cramp, he matched it with some sound play.

And honestly...anyone since last night criticizing him, i will refuse to quote you all, have no goddamned idea what you are talking about.

Its seeing games live that sometimes makes threads like this so useless, unless you actually have a full idea what you are talking about.

There were 2 specific Bieksa 'things', i had a problem with....missing the check on Stammer.....but the thing was Hammer or whoever it was as the last forward back, absolutely missed their assignment. There is no way a trailer should have been allowed a look.

The other play was just funny to me....it was a goofy pass to Hammer that ended up in his skates.

Other than that he was alright....at least Hammer was a bit better last night than the game before.

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Posted 12 December 2010 - 05:04 PM

I don't care who the player is, that missed hit/overcommitment by Bieksa directly led to that goal and was a big contributing factor in it for sure.

I don't think anything is ever 100% one player's fault, but the lion's share of the blame on that one goes to Bieksa. Some blame for lazy backchecking goes to the other guys and Schneider didn't look particularly good on the shot, but neither would have been an issue without the really big Bieksa mistake.

The real mistake was using Bieksa to shut down Stamkos in the first place. Bad coaching there.
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Posted 12 December 2010 - 05:15 PM

Like every other dman on the team other than Alberts, Hamhuis has only looked like he was playing his game and living up to what he needs to be for this team when he was not paired with Bieksa.

Anyone who is objective will see that the constant Bieksa mistakes are taking a toll on Hamhuis who is struggling to constantly cover for them rather than playing his game.

As I have said many times before, Bieksa makes his defense partners worse, not better. This is in stark contrast to Salo, who makes anyone he plays with better.

Here's hoping Salo will be back soon and Bieksa will be traded. The huge improvement in Ballard the last half dozen games or so is encouraging. It, combined with Alberts solid play and Rome as an adequate fill in on the 3rd pairing, is fast making Bieksa and his high risk/limited reward play this season expendable.
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Posted 12 December 2010 - 05:17 PM

Huh? If Bieksa had of done his job properly, there never would have been a play for Stamkos to make.

On that play, Bieksa was not unlike a first responder to an accident scene, only instead of helping, he crashed the ambulance. That play started with Bieksa's gaffe, he lit the fiire that neither Hansen or Schneider could put out.


Say what you want about CANUCKLELION, but this is not a blind hate statement towards Bieksa. This is 100% correct.
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Posted 12 December 2010 - 05:22 PM

WTF? I don't even like Bieksa but I admit he has played very well the last 10-15 games. No reason to be criticizing him at this point, so stop. The lack of foot speed with Alberts and Rome is the concern right now. We will see Salo, Erhoff and hopefully a 4th line that has the same cast of characters game to game before we find consistency.

Edited by canucktyucktuck, 12 December 2010 - 05:23 PM.

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Posted 12 December 2010 - 05:28 PM

Like every other dman on the team other than Alberts, Hamhuis has only looked like he was playing his game and living up to what he needs to be for this team when he was not paired with Bieksa.

Anyone who is objective will see that the constant Bieksa mistakes are taking a toll on Hamhuis who is struggling to constantly cover for them rather than playing his game.

As I have said many times before, Bieksa makes his defense partners worse, not better. This is in stark contrast to Salo, who makes anyone he plays with better.

Here's hoping Salo will be back soon and Bieksa will be traded. The huge improvement in Ballard the last half dozen games or so is encouraging. It, combined with Alberts solid play and Rome as an adequate fill in on the 3rd pairing, is fast making Bieksa and his high risk/limited reward play this season expendable.

What the hell is wrong with your head?!!!!!!

Did it escape you that Hammer actually hasnt been playing well the last few games???!!!!!!!!

You blame that on Bieksa???!!!

Holy crapballs.

Unreal.

Cannot even believe i commented on this piece of ignorance.

How do you convince yourself of these things??!!!!
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Posted 12 December 2010 - 05:32 PM

Say what you want about CANUCKLELION, but this is not a blind hate statement towards Bieksa. This is 100% correct.

Not all Bieksa's fault on that play.

Seriously...watch clips.

And watch them again.

Watch them again,while missing the check was comical, place blame on the players above the goal line.

I like you ....but you are just now absolutely out to lunch.

And you are full of it. :(
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