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Posted 09 October 2010 - 11:37 PM

was alrite, nothing unexpected...

i dont know why he was given a letter..
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Posted 09 October 2010 - 11:38 PM

1. He makes a great first pass, much better than 50/50.
2. He can go on the rush.
3. He has grit. Maybe doesn't hit as much as he used to in his first season, but defense doesn't always mean hitting. Defense means getting the puck away from the opposing players and defending the goalie.
4. Other than the penalties in tonight's game, what did he do to piss you off?
5. He can and has fought on occasion.
6. He brings leadership qualities in the dressing room.

I don't know who you've been watching, but perhaps watching the games more than listening to the media will help you out.


1. He coughs up the puck in his own zone on a regular basis due to casual play or bad passes. He also enjoys killing a rush behind the net.
2. He does have some speed on occasion and can contribute on the rush, but usually doesn't due to (1)
3. What grit? He makes an angry face, that's about it. He doesn't throw many good hits, he doesn't fight, and he doesn't clear out the front of the net, so what is grit?
4. Nothing. He did relatively nothing. And when you're eating up the salary he is, you shouldn't be given a passing grade for doing nothing. In fact, I thought tonight was a pretty good game for him and the only notable things he did were take two stupid penalties.
5. I don't really care if he fights. In fact, paying someone his salary to fight seems silly, but I keep hearing he's tough and 'has grit,' so I'm wondering what it is. It's definitely not fighting.
6. I don't know what he brings to the dressing room. I'm sure he's a nice enough guy and the other players probably like him just fine. He's wearing the A, so maybe he does have some leadership. But, you know what, so do a lot of other guys and I would hope they would bring it on the ice, not just in the dressing room.

Don't get me wrong. I'm not saying Bieksa isn't an NHL d-man. He's just not a top four d-man on most teams, and definitely not on this team. Is he really better than Edler, Erhoff, Hamhuis, and Ballard, not to mention Salo when (if) he returns? So, if he's not a top four guy, why is he making top four money when that could be spent elsewhere and and why is he eating top four minutes (doing things like taking penalties in overtime). You could say that was a tough call in OT and maybe it was, but they've been calling the pick regularly in the NHL for years and it was obvious that Bieksa knew it was a penalty the moment he did it. He's just not a smart player. Add that to his list of skills I guess.
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Posted 09 October 2010 - 11:38 PM

was alrite, nothing unexpected...

i dont know why he was given a letter..


*cough* leadership qualities *cough*
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Posted 09 October 2010 - 11:39 PM

I thought Kesler played avarage tonight especially with that late penalty in the neutral zone.
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Posted 09 October 2010 - 11:43 PM

you are really frustrating.



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Posted 09 October 2010 - 11:44 PM

He was Bieksa I didn`t see anything new from him and he still tooks his dumb penalties. Same things weve seen for years, why wasn`t he traded?
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Posted 09 October 2010 - 11:44 PM

I don't know if atrocious is better or worse than terrible, but he was atrocious tonight. He looks like he could care less every time he steps on the ice...
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Posted 09 October 2010 - 11:47 PM

*cough* leadership qualities *cough*


A good leader would realize that you should only be on the ice when you are helping the team.
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Posted 09 October 2010 - 11:48 PM

1. He coughs up the puck in his own zone on a regular basis due to casual play or bad passes. He also enjoys killing a rush behind the net.
2. He does have some speed on occasion and can contribute on the rush, but usually doesn't due to (1)
3. What grit? He makes an angry face, that's about it. He doesn't throw many good hits, he doesn't fight, and he doesn't clear out the front of the net, so what is grit?
4. Nothing. He did relatively nothing. And when you're eating up the salary he is, you shouldn't be given a passing grade for doing nothing. In fact, I thought tonight was a pretty good game for him and the only notable things he did were take two stupid penalties.
5. I don't really care if he fights. In fact, paying someone his salary to fight seems silly, but I keep hearing he's tough and 'has grit,' so I'm wondering what it is. It's definitely not fighting.
6. I don't know what he brings to the dressing room. I'm sure he's a nice enough guy and the other players probably like him just fine. He's wearing the A, so maybe he does have some leadership. But, you know what, so do a lot of other guys and I would hope they would bring it on the ice, not just in the dressing room.

Don't get me wrong. I'm not saying Bieksa isn't an NHL d-man. He's just not a top four d-man on most teams, and definitely not on this team. Is he really better than Edler, Erhoff, Hamhuis, and Ballard, not to mention Salo when (if) he returns? So, if he's not a top four guy, why is he making top four money when that could be spent elsewhere and and why is he eating top four minutes (doing things like taking penalties in overtime). You could say that was a tough call in OT and maybe it was, but they've been calling the pick regularly in the NHL for years and it was obvious that Bieksa knew it was a penalty the moment he did it. He's just not a smart player. Add that to his list of skills I guess.


Well I'm not going to say he's better than the other dmen on this team, but that's not due to him not being a top-4. We have 6 top 4 defense on this team when Salo's not injured. The others might outplay him sometimes, but other times he might outplay one of the other defensemen. Players make mistakes.

As for killing the rush, I would imagine sometimes you want plays to be made casually, especially if the other team's on a rampage. Slows the other team down. He has patience with that and that's a virtue. His turnovers tend to be singled out from his good plays mostly because everyone has him under a microscope, especially since he wasn't traded.

With the grit, of course he could be grittier, but consider that he also created the most takaways from any of our defenders last season. Another interesting stat: Ehrhoff had almost double the giveaways last season as Bieksa.

EDIT: Edler also had almost as many giveaways as Ehrhoff.

Edited by The Lock, 09 October 2010 - 11:50 PM.

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Posted 09 October 2010 - 11:51 PM

Well we didn't lose the game because of that penalty anyways, im sure he will smarten up.

Kesler on the other hand was in the box when they scored, no comment on that huh? Just because he's Kesler. :rolleyes:


First game; I'm sure he'll smarten up. :mellow:

Whether the KB penalty led to a goal or not is one point; my point is that KB took a penalty in OT, and you just don't do that.
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Posted 09 October 2010 - 11:52 PM

Well I'm not going to say he's better than the other dmen on this team, but that's not due to him not being a top-4. We have 6 top 4 defense on this team when Salo's not injured. The others might outplay him sometimes, but other times he might outplay one of the other defensemen. Players make mistakes.

As for killing the rush, I would imagine sometimes you want plays to be made casually, especially if the other team's on a rampage. Slows the other team down. He has patience with that and that's a virtue. His turnovers tend to be singled out from his good plays mostly because everyone has him under a microscope, especially since he wasn't traded.

With the grit, of course he could be grittier, but consider that he also created the most takaways from any of our defenders last season. Another interesting stat: Ehrhoff had almost double the giveaways last season as Bieksa.


Salo is the one truly hurting the team with his cap. Three and a half million to sit in the press box and play half a season. Statistically, he's similar to Bieksa in the defensive aspect meanwhile Kevin has better offensive numbers while playing 20 less games approximately; unavoidable freak injuries.

Edited by c0medyClub, 09 October 2010 - 11:53 PM.

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Posted 09 October 2010 - 11:54 PM

Ya Bieksa hit the cross bar and missed his chance in the shootout........oh no that was a different player....it is possible someone else contributed to costing the game?
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Posted 09 October 2010 - 11:56 PM

Seriously -_-

I thought KB had a fairly solid game out there tonight. Yes, that penalty was stupid (was a weak call to make to begin with) but he was NOT terrible. But he is the CDC scapegoat so really I should expect nothing less.



I agree, both calls were pretty brutal, the second call in OT was really bad. I thought he played rather well after the first period. Had some good hits and a couple good chances. But yet this is CDC and the haters will hate... even though he didn't cost us the game.
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Posted 09 October 2010 - 11:56 PM

For everyone saying KB 'deserve' being paired with Hamhuis... I fail to see your hockey reasoning.

Making up defensive pairs does NOT solely depend on 'who's best' and counting it down. You have to match up what type of player they are and who they will play best with depending on their styles.


Let's look at Bieksa's style. Gritty, prone to mistakes, offensive instinct. If you take time to realize this, playing him with Hamhuis is the best possibility. Hamhuis is a workhorse, and is defensively responsible enough to cover for KB if he happens to get caught. And playing him with Bieksa will give Hamhuis the opportunity to play offensively as well, if presented the chance that we get possession.

Edler and Ehrhoff compliment each other in that they're both offensive guys. Alberts and Ballard compliment each other in that they are both punishing d-men and can clear the net.

You need to have players styles that compliment one another to create a successful defensive pairing. And honestly, I really do think Bieksa - Hamhuis will be for the best.
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Posted 09 October 2010 - 11:57 PM

Bieksa needs to be better than average. Tonight he wasn't! Neither was Kesler.

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Edited by SuperReverb2, 10 October 2010 - 12:05 AM.

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Posted 09 October 2010 - 11:58 PM

Yawn another Bieksa thread.

Did he lose the game for the Canucks?


He took away their ability to win by taking a bonehead 2 minute interference penalty, with 2 minutes left in OT.

If it were not for Bobby Lou's lights out penalty kill, a loss was in the wind.
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Posted 09 October 2010 - 11:58 PM

He took away their ability to win by taking a bonehead 2 minute interference penalty, with 2 minutes left in OT.

If it were not for Bobby Lou's lights out penalty kill, a loss was in the wind.



Lu, Malhotra, Ballard and Hamhuis??? were phenomonal on that PK
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Posted 10 October 2010 - 12:00 AM

Lu, Malhotra, Ballard and Hamhuis??? were phenomonal on that PK


It was a team effort, something that was lacking on last season's PK. Positioning was perfect.

That sequence almost gave me a heart attack.

Edited by NoCupForOvie, 10 October 2010 - 12:00 AM.

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Posted 10 October 2010 - 12:00 AM

With the grit, of course he could be grittier, but consider that he also created the most takaways from any of our defenders last season. Another interesting stat: Ehrhoff had almost double the giveaways last season as Bieksa.

EDIT: Edler also had almost as many giveaways as Ehrhoff.


As Garry Valk likes to say, stats are for losers. If you watch enough games, Bieksa tends to give the puck away at the most inopportune times. Givesaways and takeaways should not be treated equally.

Also, Bieksa tends to play with better forward units (ie. Sedin line) where he racks up plenty of 2nd assists.
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Posted 10 October 2010 - 12:04 AM

My take on Bieksa tonight:

The Bad
- a few key turnovers.
- two bad penalties that thankfully didnt result in goals but also seemed to switch momentum to the Kings.
- made some interesting defensive reads and let guys walk around him a few times.

The Good:
- made good offensive pinches for the most part and was moving the puck pretty well. He did overdo it a few times and went deep into the offensive zone when he didnt really need to, but not often enough to complain. Others covered or him pretty well there.
- communication with Hamhuis seemed good.
- got back to a more effective physical style of play.

Overall not a bad night for Bieksa, imo. He wasnt great and I would honestly rather see Edler or Ballard with Hamhuis (especially considering how good Ballard played tonight), but Bieksa was solid. He needs to concentrate on not taking bad penalties for sure. But lets give the guy some credit here. He wasnt horrible tonight.
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Posted 10 October 2010 - 12:04 AM

As Garry Valk likes to say, stats are for losers. If you watch enough games, Bieksa tends to give the puck away at the most inopportune times. Givesaways and takeaways should not be treated equally.

Also, Bieksa tends to play with better forward units (ie. Sedin line) where he racks up plenty of 2nd assists.


The giveaways I can understand, but a takeaway is a takeaway.

Stats are still a useful tool and just because Mr. Valk has opinion it doesn't make it fact, much like his opinion on stats. ;)
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Posted 10 October 2010 - 12:11 AM

Two penalties and got tooled by Kopitar.
Other than that, he was good.
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Posted 10 October 2010 - 12:13 AM

He was Average



We didnt loose that game on bieksa's penalty we lost it with how much Luo looked like a back up in the shoot out. How can you blame that loss on Kevin i mean he didnt play bad at all, the whole game was really close. Then Luo took over and just blew it in the Shoot out, not only that what was kesler thinking just shooting it right at the goalie, and raymond get the puck up I mean you know Quick is a butterfly goalie GET THE PUCK UP!!. but really the game was awsome Luo just sucked in the shoot out he allways sucks in the shoot out

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Posted 10 October 2010 - 12:16 AM

OH GAWD, Trade Bieksazz
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Posted 10 October 2010 - 12:19 AM

Well I'm not going to say he's better than the other dmen on this team, but that's not due to him not being a top-4. We have 6 top 4 defense on this team when Salo's not injured. The others might outplay him sometimes, but other times he might outplay one of the other defensemen. Players make mistakes.

As for killing the rush, I would imagine sometimes you want plays to be made casually, especially if the other team's on a rampage. Slows the other team down. He has patience with that and that's a virtue. His turnovers tend to be singled out from his good plays mostly because everyone has him under a microscope, especially since he wasn't traded.

With the grit, of course he could be grittier, but consider that he also created the most takaways from any of our defenders last season. Another interesting stat: Ehrhoff had almost double the giveaways last season as Bieksa.

EDIT: Edler also had almost as many giveaways as Ehrhoff.


If you are worse than four other d-men on the team, that means you are NOT a top four d-men. You know, I really, really wish Bieksa would get traded out of here because I think it would be good for the team, but my beef isn't really with him. The problem is coaching. Bieksa has not played well enough to warrant the ice time he gets and that's the coach's decision. Do I blame him for signing the contract? No. Do I blame him for playing when he gets the call? No. It's the coach's job to recognize that the player isn't good enough to play 20+ minutes a game and AV is not doing that. I've said many times before that I think more often than not this team wins despite AV, not because of him. So, the 'hate' for Bieksa is really a wish that he wasn't being mismanaged. I'd love to see him as a 5th d-man at 5th d-man money playing 5th d-man minutes. As a top 4 guy, he's a liability.

Edit: I really think it's worth noting that even those people saying he played ok often qualify the comment with "for Bieksa." That tells you something. If he doesn't royally screw up, it's a good game. He needs to be a positive contributor to warrant the minutes he gets and, mostly, he gets credit for not being a detriment. Not good enough. Even when he does do something good, it stands out from his disinterested or poor play so much that it looks amazing when, really, it's what should be expected of a guy who plays the minutes he plays, with the guys he plays with, at the pay-grade he's in.

Edited by Callicles, 10 October 2010 - 12:23 AM.

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Posted 10 October 2010 - 12:20 AM

My take on Bieksa tonight:

The Bad
- a few key turnovers.
- two bad penalties that thankfully didnt result in goals but also seemed to switch momentum to the Kings.
- made some interesting defensive reads and let guys walk around him a few times.

The Good:
- made good offensive pinches for the most part and was moving the puck pretty well. He did overdo it a few times and went deep into the offensive zone when he didnt really need to, but not often enough to complain. Others covered or him pretty well there.
- communication with Hamhuis seemed good.
- got back to a more effective physical style of play.

Overall not a bad night for Bieksa, imo. He wasnt great and I would honestly rather see Edler or Ballard with Hamhuis (especially considering how good Ballard played tonight), but Bieksa was solid. He needs to concentrate on not taking bad penalties for sure. But lets give the guy some credit here. He wasnt horrible tonight.


not to mention the 2 calls were very borderline calls... especially the one in OT
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Posted 10 October 2010 - 12:20 AM

My take on Bieksa tonight:

The Bad
- a few key turnovers.
- two bad penalties that thankfully didnt result in goals but also seemed to switch momentum to the Kings.
- made some interesting defensive reads and let guys walk around him a few times.

The Good:
- made good offensive pinches for the most part and was moving the puck pretty well. He did overdo it a few times and went deep into the offensive zone when he didnt really need to, but not often enough to complain. Others covered or him pretty well there.
- communication with Hamhuis seemed good.
- got back to a more effective physical style of play.

Overall not a bad night for Bieksa, imo. He wasnt great and I would honestly rather see Edler or Ballard with Hamhuis (especially considering how good Ballard played tonight), but Bieksa was solid. He needs to concentrate on not taking bad penalties for sure. But lets give the guy some credit here. He wasnt horrible tonight.


Nice to see the balance, once again.

Good post,
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Posted 10 October 2010 - 12:22 AM

1. He coughs up the puck in his own zone on a regular basis due to casual play or bad passes. He also enjoys killing a rush behind the net.
2. He does have some speed on occasion and can contribute on the rush, but usually doesn't due to (1)
3. What grit? He makes an angry face, that's about it. He doesn't throw many good hits, he doesn't fight, and he doesn't clear out the front of the net, so what is grit?
4. Nothing. He did relatively nothing. And when you're eating up the salary he is, you shouldn't be given a passing grade for doing nothing. In fact, I thought tonight was a pretty good game for him and the only notable things he did were take two stupid penalties.
5. I don't really care if he fights. In fact, paying someone his salary to fight seems silly, but I keep hearing he's tough and 'has grit,' so I'm wondering what it is. It's definitely not fighting.
6. I don't know what he brings to the dressing room. I'm sure he's a nice enough guy and the other players probably like him just fine. He's wearing the A, so maybe he does have some leadership. But, you know what, so do a lot of other guys and I would hope they would bring it on the ice, not just in the dressing room.

Don't get me wrong. I'm not saying Bieksa isn't an NHL d-man. He's just not a top four d-man on most teams, and definitely not on this team. Is he really better than Edler, Erhoff, Hamhuis, and Ballard, not to mention Salo when (if) he returns? So, if he's not a top four guy, why is he making top four money when that could be spent elsewhere and and why is he eating top four minutes (doing things like taking penalties in overtime). You could say that was a tough call in OT and maybe it was, but they've been calling the pick regularly in the NHL for years and it was obvious that Bieksa knew it was a penalty the moment he did it. He's just not a smart player. Add that to his list of skills I guess.


Because our previous GM decided to offer him that contract.Would you of took it if it was offered to you?

Your statement about him not being Top 4 on this team is correct,however im sure i've seen somewhere that AV was going to ease Ballard along gently due to the hip operation he had in the summer.Bieksa is the scapegoat for these boards,yes he makes the occasional dumb play but his mistakes are magnified x10000 compared to others on the team.
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Posted 10 October 2010 - 12:25 AM

Bieksa showed us all tonight why he should be traded at the first available opportunity. His cap hit is terrible for what he provides IMO. The sooner he's gone the better though it may be we have trouble moving him
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Posted 10 October 2010 - 12:26 AM

We didnt loose that game on bieksa's penalty we lost it with how much Luo looked like a back up in the shoot out. How can you blame that loss on Kevin i mean he didnt play bad at all, the whole game was really close. Then Luo took over and just blew it in the Shoot out, not only that what was kesler thinking just shooting it right at the goalie, and raymond get the puck up I mean you know Quick is a butterfly goalie GET THE PUCK UP!!. but really the game was awsome Luo just sucked in the shoot out he allways sucks in the shoot out



:rolleyes: sometimes i really have to read things twice because i cant believe what some people type here
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