Two teenage boys used texting, online chats to plot brutal assault, murder of Kimberly Proctor

[Dellins]

Harsher punishments = less crime.

[Sharpshooter]

It seems as an effective deterrent or even more so than the death penalty. That seems the answer to those claiming the death penalty is a effective deterrent to murder.

Life imprisonment has resulted in a higher conviction rate for murder.

[ronthecivil]

No argument regarding your assertion in comparing the deterant capability over capital punishment, but still, there's no conclusive evidence that life imprisonment is an effective sentence that will deter or prevent others from commiting murders in the future, just because correlationally we see the murder rates receeding.

Social modifications and investment will however, in my opinion, be a more effective catalyst to significantly reducing the murder rate versus any sentencing guideline put forth by the Criminal Justice System.

[JustJokinen!]

If these kids were smart enough to plan this murder in the detail they did they are probably smart enough to know the consequences.

They would know that they are not adults under the Canadian justice system, and are protected by the Youth Offenders Act, or whatever it's called.

This is very disturbing. In some cases the criminal laws are not deterrents at all, the way I see it.

[Truculence]

If these kids were smart enough to plan this murder in the detail they did they are probably smart enough to know the consequences.

They would know that they are not adults under the Canadian justice system, and are protected by the Youth Offenders Act, or whatever it's called.

This is very disturbing. In some cases the criminal laws are not deterrents at all, the way I see it.

[Wetcoaster]

Smart people don't murder others, or at least plan it out and confess to friends in public so they can be easily caught. These guys are screwed-up idiots.

People who commit crime tend to be stupid and don't think about the consequences of their actions. They're acting maliciously out of pure self-interest - satisfying some emotional, psychological, or monetary need without regard for others.

The real sources of crime are poverty, domestic abuse/poor parenting, and untreated mental illness.

[Sharpshooter]

Nihilistic Atheist?

More like Sartrean Existentialism.

[Wetcoaster]

Nihilistic Atheist?

More like Sartrean Existentialism.

[ronthecivil]

Or seriously disturbed psychopathic wacko?

[Truculence]

I think we could all come up with someone who is brilliant at school/career but who is an utter failure at life due to their own bad judgment.

[aGENT]

There's a fine line between genius and insanity. I have erased this line.

Levant, Oscar

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[Wetcoaster]

Either way I hope neither ever get out.

Oh, and if your looking for smart killers you forgot the Unibomber, who was an MIT math genious. Heck, Osama Bin Laden is a civil engineer!

[Sharpshooter]

Or seriously disturbed psychopathic wacko?

[UFCanuck]

Life in Jail no parole.

[ronthecivil]

I was unaware that one needed to be overly smart to be a civil engineer, unlike a lawyer.

[Wetcoaster]

I think we could all come up with someone who is brilliant at school/career but who is an utter failure at life due to their own bad judgment.

[Wetcoaster]

Now who's being a silly bugger?

[Sharpshooter]

[ronthecivil]

That has been my personal experience from dealing with a number of engineer witnesses during the Save On (aka Cave On) Inquiry - The Commission Inquiry, Station Square Development, Burnaby, British Columbia in 1988.

[Wetcoaster]

Might be one of those left side/right side of the brain things. Either that or you like to look down at people.

Or perhaps you were in bullying mode and they were intimidated. Who knows?