y2kcanucks Posted January 17, 2011 Share Posted January 17, 2011 Off-season deal: To New Jersey: Cory Schneider Keith Ballard Mason Raymond Jordan Schroeder 1st round pick Salary: $7.65M To Vancouver: Zach Parise David Clarkson 3rd round pick Salary: $2.667M + RFA (5-7M) Why New Jersey does this? They are in clear rebuild/retool mode. That team right now is in a mess, and on top of it there are rumours that Parise wants nothing to do with a return to New Jersey. Martin Brodeur is at the end of his career, and looking at the system there is no heir apparent. Schneider is just the guy they can build their team around. He's proven he can play well and win at this level, he's young and will only continue to get better. The Devils also have a gaping hole on their defense since the loss of Paul Martin and the acquisition of Keith Ballard who, when healthy, is a similar player would help immensely. Ballard is signed long-term and is a very valuable player, just hasn't really gotten into a groove here in Vancouver. He's been riddled by injuries, but just hasn't really found chemistry with his linemates. Raymond isn't going to step in and replace what's lost by giving up Parise, but he provides stability on their second line, while Jordan Schroeder and that first round pick offer up pieces to build around for the future. Why Vancouver does this? The deal takes a bit of a hit to our blueline, although with the recent renaissance of Kevin Bieksa we may elect to keep him in the offseason anyways and that would make Keith Ballard expendable (Bieksa could be moved in place of Ballard, but I'm assuming NJD would prefer to have the guy who's locked up as opposed to the potential UFA). In turn, the Canucks get an elite winger who's game is elite at both ends of the ice. He plays a speed game and should have instant chemistry with Ryan Kesler. Our second line now becomes more of a 1B line that supports the twins, and gives us a huge two-headed monster of an offense. Parise replaces Raymond, and we don't miss a beat there at all. The loss of Schneider is necessary as he will eventually be dealt. There's no way Schneider gets re-signed here at $2.5M+ to backup Luongo after his current contract is up. The loss of the first round pick and Jordan Schroeder hurts our prospect group, but we still have some good young prospects potentially coming up in Cody Hodgson, Sergei Shirokov, Billy Sweatt and Anton Rodin, that we can afford to move a guy like Schroeder in a deal like this. The Canucks also get back a tough guy who can potentially score 20 goals in David Clarkson. He was looking like a gem up until his injury last season and really hasn't gotten back on track at all going into this season. He's a contract New Jersey is supposedly looking to move, and a change of scenery could do him good. He would provide us bottom 6 depth with a bit of a scoring touch, as well as a lot of grit and nastyness. Potential lineup after the deal, going into next season: Sedin (6.1) - Sedin (6.1) - Burrows (2) Parise (5)* - Kesler (5) - Tambellini (1)* Samuelsson (2.5) - Malhotra (2.5) - Clarkson (2.667) Volpatti (0.6) - Bolduc (0.6) - Hansen (1)* Desbiens (0.6) Offense: $35.667M Ehrhoff (4.5)* - Edler (3.25) Bieksa (3.75)* - Hamhuis (4.5) Parent (0.925) - Alberts (1.5)* Rome (0.725) Defense: $19.15M Luongo (5.33) Lack (0.7) Team: $60.847M Assumed cap of $61.4M which is the minimum assumed cap hit based on the assumed $2M minimal increase as per: http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=344107 Essentially, a trade for Parise isn't entirely out of the question, and I believe we do have the pieces to make a deal between Vancouver and New Jersey work. It's do-able. It's a little tight, but do-able. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ilya Mikheyev Posted January 18, 2011 Author Share Posted January 18, 2011 I don't see it either. MG won't make this trade because Parise will be hard to resign. It's a better idea to look at other teams with aging player (looking to win the cup) that are looking to rebuild such as Ottawa (Alfredsson) etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted January 18, 2011 Share Posted January 18, 2011 Why would New Jersey want to trade Parise at the trade deadline? They're obviously at least going to make an attempt to try and re-sign him in the offseason. It's not like they could get much for him considering he's coming off of a serious injury and won't have played any games... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crowfro Posted January 18, 2011 Share Posted January 18, 2011 Why would New Jersey want to trade Parise at the trade deadline? They're obviously at least going to make an attempt to try and re-sign him in the offseason. It's not like they could get much for him considering he's coming off of a serious injury and won't have played any games... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluesy_shoes Posted January 20, 2011 Share Posted January 20, 2011 Even if he's hard to re-sign, we'd get big compensation, since he's a RFA, not an UFA. If a team offersheeted him, we'd likely get 4 first round picks. Those four picks would come from a team that has cap space for Zach, which is either a bottom-feeder or LA. Four first round picks that have a high probability to be in the 5-15 section? Not bad. He likely won't go to arbitration after a 20-25 game season, unless he just wants a 1 year contract to get out. But players like it here, so that case is very very unlikely, it would be hard for him to find a more responsible and offensive gifted center as Ryan Kesler. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
86Viking Posted January 20, 2011 Share Posted January 20, 2011 Slim chance this ever happens as much as I think he would be a great fit.....but if it did i think it would go something like this..... Draft week Vancouver trades(All depending on Ballard waiving NTC) Schneider- No brainer replaces Brodeur Raymond- Speedy winger top 6 with potential Ballard- Solid D man who can put up some points....not here yet...would be PP guy on NJD Parent- Prospect who has bounced around but could fit in with NJ....I think they would have claimed him earlier in the year but they had no cap space. Offensive upside Schroeder-Upcoming prospect, all be it small couple years in the AHL could help him develope and strengthen up. Definitly top 9 forward potential top 6. Gionta esque?? Desbiens- They loose clarkson...Obviously Desbians isnt Clarkson but he has some size and toughness that he could add to their 4th line down the road, and hes cheap 2nd round pick in this years draft New jersey sends to canucks: Parise(rfa) 4yr @6 million per season- Still gives him decent COIN and the opportunity to win the cup. If it doesnt pan out he can still cash in large im sure 4 years Later Clarkson 2.66 This may be an overpayment and throwing in some odd names like Desbiens and Parent. And its on Ballard waiving his NTC. I think we overpay a bit to keep Edler. Oh and as for backup goalie.....trade a mid round pick for Lalime, Leighton type goalie We can then resign parise to a 4yr 6mill per NTC Bieksa 3yr 9.9mill NMC (3.3per) Erhoff 4yr 18mill NTC (4.5per) We loose Salo cap hit. I believe this would fit under the new cap of next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
86Viking Posted January 20, 2011 Share Posted January 20, 2011 Damn double post! Woops Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
☆➊ R. 'Superman' Kesler ➐☆ Posted January 20, 2011 Share Posted January 20, 2011 Raymond (no-brainer) Schneider (no-brainer) After that what do you add? A 1st rounder? Hodgson or Schroeder? Ehrhoff? Ballard? (Ehrhoff is my favorite defenseman on the Canucks, but for Parise...) Raymond Schneider Pick (2nd - 3rd) Prospect (Hodgson - Schroeder) Top-4 D-man (Ballard - Ehrhoff - Bieksa) Would be the cost IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crowfro Posted January 20, 2011 Share Posted January 20, 2011 I say: Raymond, Schneider, 1st round draft pick, Alberts or and Rome, Schroeder for Parise, Greene Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whynot Posted January 20, 2011 Share Posted January 20, 2011 Parise is tradeable for NJ because they are headed to a lottery pick and Parise doesn't seem to be keen to resign. That being said they will be looking for quite a bit as if they have him stolen during RFA they would get at least a 1st,2nd, and 3rd pick. If they think he might be signed for over 6 mil then it would be 2 firsts, a 2nd and a 3rd. He's got 4 consecutive 30+ goal seasons, other than the injury this year he only missed 3 games in his first 5 seasons. Normally I say trades are overrated and retarted to pay for players who return unknown values, but at a 3 mil cap hit just imagine.... Sedin Sedin Burr Kesler Parise (other) Torres Malho (other) That would be a deeeeeeep team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smrasen Posted January 20, 2011 Share Posted January 20, 2011 Parise probably wants to remain in America, so he will probably sign with Chicago or LA or Pittsburgh(If they trade Malkin). I rather the Canucks go after Weber since the last four stanley cup winning teams had a legit #1 defencemen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ilya Mikheyev Posted January 20, 2011 Author Share Posted January 20, 2011 Parise probably wants to remain in America, so he will probably sign with Chicago or LA or Pittsburgh(If they trade Malkin). I rather the Canucks go after Weber since the last four stanley cup winning teams had a legit #1 defencemen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Crowfro Posted January 20, 2011 Share Posted January 20, 2011 Parise probably wants to remain in America, so he will probably sign with Chicago or LA or Pittsburgh(If they trade Malkin). I rather the Canucks go after Weber since the last four stanley cup winning teams had a legit #1 defencemen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darkstar Posted January 20, 2011 Share Posted January 20, 2011 If the Canucks ever try to go after Parise, it will be in the offseason. There will be no point in acquiring him at the trade deadline unless he's healthy and ready to go. To Vancouver: Zach Parise To New Jersey: Mason Raymond- Top six forward with loads of potential Cory Schneider- Ideal destination with Brodeur retiring in the next few years Jordan Schroeder- Prospect winger who projects as a strong second-liner in a couple of years. Keith Ballard- Tough top-four defenceman 1st/2nd round pick- 2011 or 2012 Sedin-Sedin-Burrows Parise-Kesler-Samuelsson/Hansen Hodgson-Malhotra-Samuelsson/Hansen Glass-Bolduc-Volpatti Ehrhoff-Edler Hamhuis-Bieksa UFA-Prospect Rome Luongo UFA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gillis' Blackberry Posted January 20, 2011 Share Posted January 20, 2011 If the Canucks ever try to go after Parise, it will be in the offseason. There will be no point in acquiring him at the trade deadline unless he's healthy and ready to go. To Vancouver: Zach Parise To New Jersey: Mason Raymond- Top six forward with loads of potential Cory Schneider- Ideal destination with Brodeur retiring in the next few years Jordan Schroeder- Prospect winger who projects as a strong second-liner in a couple of years. Keith Ballard- Tough top-four defenceman 1st/2nd round pick- 2011 or 2012 Sedin-Sedin-Burrows Parise-Kesler-Samuelsson/Hansen Hodgson-Malhotra-Samuelsson/Hansen Glass-Bolduc-Volpatti Ehrhoff-Edler Hamhuis-Bieksa UFA-Prospect Rome Luongo UFA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shazzam Posted January 20, 2011 Share Posted January 20, 2011 If the Canucks ever try to go after Parise, it will be in the offseason. There will be no point in acquiring him at the trade deadline unless he's healthy and ready to go. To Vancouver: Zach Parise To New Jersey: Mason Raymond- Top six forward with loads of potential Cory Schneider- Ideal destination with Brodeur retiring in the next few years Jordan Schroeder- Prospect winger who projects as a strong second-liner in a couple of years. Keith Ballard- Tough top-four defenceman 1st/2nd round pick- 2011 or 2012 Sedin-Sedin-Burrows Parise-Kesler-Samuelsson/Hansen Hodgson-Malhotra-Samuelsson/Hansen Glass-Bolduc-Volpatti Ehrhoff-Edler Hamhuis-Bieksa UFA-Prospect Rome Luongo UFA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted January 20, 2011 Share Posted January 20, 2011 Why do some people treat our players and prospects as if their garbage? Why would you want to give up that much for Parise? Yea yea, he's a 40 goal scorer, so what? We have two likely ones our team this year. You're gonna give up a 25 goal scorer, a top 4 defenceman, a future starting goaltender, and a good pick and prospect to get him? Goal scoring is not even an issue for us. If we were going to offer up that package, we would be much better off offering it to Nashville for Weber. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crowfro Posted January 20, 2011 Share Posted January 20, 2011 Why do people treat our players and prospects as if their garbage? Why would you want to give up that much for Parise? Yea yea, he's a 40 goal scorer, so what? We have two likely ones our team this year. So you're going to give up a 25 goal scorer, a top 4 defenceman, a future starting goaltender, and good pick and prospect? Goal scoring is not even an issue for us. If we were going to offer up that package, we would be much better off offering it to Nashville for Weber. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted January 20, 2011 Share Posted January 20, 2011 25 goal scorer? Raymond has not proven to be a 25 goal scorer. Doing it onnce is not good enough. Weber would be good, but Nashville already has a good goalie. Reason New Jersey is so interesting is because they will need a young goalie soon because Broduer is over the hill. And I can't think of many better young goalies on a cheap contract than the Canucks backup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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