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Jester@wraiths.ca

Edmonton determined to be last?

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When Edmonton signed Gerber, it seemed like a good move, cheap signing for a guy who wants to try and rebound and get back to the NHL.

In preseason, he was their best goalie... and was sent down.

Khabibulin has been bad and/or injured at times, and Dubnyk has been ok.

Gerber has been up for just 3 games all year, and has far outplayed either of the other two goalies, he's 3-0 with a 1.30 gaa and .958 sv%, stopping 91 of 95 shots, as well as 4 of 5 in a shootout win against Nashville, so of course that kind of play is rewarded with being sent to the minors?

It isn't like they can't afford him, he's cheap and they have room, it's pretty clear they'd prefer to give themselves a better chance to lose, to stay competitive with Ottawa in the race to the bottom. Losing is one thing, but going out of your way to do so is pretty low class, but with the way they treated Quinn, low class is what to expect from Oilers management...

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You missed the point eh?

They could have the goalie who's stats shred their other two goalies, on the roster so they'd have 2 goalies capable of winning games, but they choose not to.

Gerber 3-0-0 1.30gaa, .958 sv%

Dubnyk 10-9-6 2.78gaa, .916 sv%

Khabi 11-16-4 3.33gaa, .893 sv%

Which two do you think give the best chance to win?

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Three games is not a lot to start evaluating a goaltender and say he deserves to be number one over the consensus choice for number one in Khabibulin. Oilers see Dubnyk as a prospect of the future and Gerber is just insurance. So he had a nice cup of tea.

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Again, missed the point.

3 games isn't a lot to evaluate a goalie, but when the goalie has played lights out, it generally earns him more games, because the team is interested in winning. If they actually cared about winning, they'd be dressing the two goalies that can win games.

Pretty craptastic for Gerber as well, since he outplayed the other goalies from day 1, yet doesn't get rewarded for it.

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When Edmonton signed Gerber, it seemed like a good move, cheap signing for a guy who wants to try and rebound and get back to the NHL.

In preseason, he was their best goalie... and was sent down.

Khabibulin has been bad and/or injured at times, and Dubnyk has been ok.

Gerber has been up for just 3 games all year, and has far outplayed either of the other two goalies, he's 3-0 with a 1.30 gaa and .958 sv%, stopping 91 of 95 shots, as well as 4 of 5 in a shootout win against Nashville, so of course that kind of play is rewarded with being sent to the minors?

It isn't like they can't afford him, he's cheap and they have room, it's pretty clear they'd prefer to give themselves a better chance to lose, to stay competitive with Ottawa in the race to the bottom. Losing is one thing, but going out of your way to do so is pretty low class, but with the way they treated Quinn, low class is what to expect from Oilers management...

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1. Dubnyk is a prospect and has been playing well even if his stats don't say so. He also gets playing time because he's the [immediate] future.

2. Look at Gerber's stats in the AHL not as lights out.

3. When Khabby is healthy he's played great.

4. It works out nice for there to be 1 goalie with lots of experience and a less experienced goalie both in edm and okc.

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You may want to double check the assessment of Khabibulin's play this season.

He ranks 66th in save percentage and 70th in goals against average, which isn't "great" unless you're shooting for last, in which case he is well worth the 3.75 mill cap hit.

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You're really grasping at straws here. In a year that is dedicated to giving young players tons of NHL experience, why would they play a 36 year old that isn't going to be re-signed in the summer? Khabibulin makes the big money and isn't getting sent to the minors. It's not even worth talking about...and Dubnyk is a 24 year old that the Oilers hope is their future #1 goalie.

Gerber has wins against the Sens, Avs and Preds. Two bottom 3 teams and another that isn't likely going to make the playoffs. He's a feel good story and nothing more. I hope he finds a job as a back up next season.

...and move on from Quinn. Coaches that aren't the right fit get fired. He's not the first and he isn't going to be the last. They gave him a job within the organization which is better than most coaches get.

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...and move on from Quinn. Coaches that aren't the right fit get fired. He's not the first and he isn't going to be the last. They gave him a job within the organization which is better than most coaches get.

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Quinn went in with a multi year plan to work a young team up, and was thrown under the bus after 1 year. He got a breakout year out of Brule (Quinn did show he worked very well with young players when he coached the WJ team). With his stars out most of the year, Quinn did better than expected as far as realistic expectations would be. Renney has done worse with more. Replacing a guy who has taken teams deep into the playoffs repeatedly for a guy who's teams have failed to even make the playoffs more seasons than they have gotten in, isn't a real step forward...

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Quinn signed a 2 year deal. The plan was that Renney would take over in the 3rd year. All they did was speed up the plan by one year. Is that really a big deal?

..and I don't see how Renney has done less with more. Quinn had a team full of proven players and they all had off seasons. You mention Brule. One guy had a break out year and he put up 37 points. Hardly anything to brag about. Horcoff, Gagner, Cogliano and Gilbert are all having bounce back seasons under Renney.

Quinn lost Hemsky, Souray and Khabibulin. Renney never got Souray back, Khabibulin has been terrible and Hemsky has been in and out of the line up this season too. On top of that Eberle and Horcoff have missed significant time this season, Penner has been traded, Whitney(the team's MVP) was limited to 35 games and Hall is done for the season. Renney has also had to deal with Hall, Eberle, Paajarvi, Omark, Peckham, Petry and Dubnyk all being rookies in the line up and going through growing pains. Renney would kill to have a defenseman like Visnovsky or Grebebshkov right now.

Steve Tambellini blew the team up in the summer. Renney is coaching what's left of Quinn's team plus a few fresh faces that are learning on the job. Taylor Hall might be new and shiney but right now he's just an 18 year old player that would have put up 50 points. He's hardly a star player yet....then again, you were impressed by Brule's 37 point season so we may have different standards.

Edit: Also, Renney's Oilers are on pace for 66 points. Quinn's Oilers finished with 62 points. I don't know which team is better or worse. They're very different types of teams and are both very bad.

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Quinn got less games played from his star Hemsky and Khabibulin that Renney did. Brule's breakout was significant because it showed Quinn's ability to help a young player find his game, a player who previously had been highly touted but had previously put up 35 points in 157 games, then under Quinn beat that total in 65 games. That is significant. Under Renney he's flopping again. Plenty of players have blossomed under Quinn during his long career.

Quinn has succeeded with taking teams that weren't good, growing them together into teams which can go deep in the playoffs. Renney has succeeded in missing the playoffs with 60% of the teams he coached and never winning more than 6 games in any of the years they did make the playoffs. What exactly is the benefit of Renney there? He's failed at every NHL head coaching position he's held.

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Dan Ellis won his first four games (IIRC) in Anaheim, and he's a shaky starter at best.

Anyway, my point is even bad/inconsistent goalies can start well. You can't judge Gerber's three games and say he'd be the best for the long run, because it's just not a big enough sample size.

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Quinn got less games played from his star Hemsky and Khabibulin that Renney did. Brule's breakout was significant because it showed Quinn's ability to help a young player find his game, a player who previously had been highly touted but had previously put up 35 points in 157 games, then under Quinn beat that total in 65 games. That is significant. Under Renney he's flopping again. Plenty of players have blossomed under Quinn during his long career.

Quinn has succeeded with taking teams that weren't good, growing them together into teams which can go deep in the playoffs. Renney has succeeded in missing the playoffs with 60% of the teams he coached and never winning more than 6 games in any of the years they did make the playoffs. What exactly is the benefit of Renney there? He's failed at every NHL head coaching position he's held.

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1. Dubnyk is a prospect and has been playing well even if his stats don't say so. He also gets playing time because he's the [immediate] future.

2. Look at Gerber's stats in the AHL not as lights out.

3. When Khabby is healthy he's played great.

4. It works out nice for there to be 1 goalie with lots of experience and a less experienced goalie both in edm and okc.

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also, in their situation. wouldn't you want a high pick?

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This is a simple Anton Khobodin argument. No matter how well he has played, he's not part of their future.

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You mention Brule. One guy had a break out year and he put up 37 points. Hardly anything to brag about. Horcoff, Gagner, Cogliano and Gilbert are all having bounce back seasons under Renney.

Quinn lost Hemsky, Souray and Khabibulin. Renney never got Souray back, Khabibulin has been terrible and Hemsky has been in and out of the line up this season too. On top of that Eberle and Horcoff have missed significant time this season, Penner has been traded, Whitney(the team's MVP) was limited to 35 games and Hall is done for the season. Renney has also had to deal with Hall, Eberle, Paajarvi, Omark, Peckham, Petry and Dubnyk all being rookies in the line up and going through growing pains. Renney would kill to have a defenseman like Visnovsky or Grebebshkov right now.

Also, Renney's Oilers are on pace for 66 points. Quinn's Oilers finished with 62 points. I don't know which team is better or worse. They're very different types of teams and are both very bad.

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