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#31 BurnabyJoe

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Posted 18 March 2011 - 05:28 PM

As a professional in the field, let me tell you this:

If I DON'T Compress the snot out of my mixes durring the mastering phase of a project my clients bitch untill I DO.


labels or artists? Either way doesn't surprise me, they can't have quiet albums when literally EVERY piece of music out there these days is clipped to hell.
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Posted 18 March 2011 - 05:33 PM

I can't say that I'm really into MCR, but, I have listened to the new album, it really is terrible mastering, at least to me. I don't know if either JoGuitar or nux4lyfe are into Radiohead, but I think that their new album is quite well mixed. Everything has it's own place and you can pick out every little detail. I know it's not everyone's cup of tea and the first few songs are a little frenetic for my taste, but I was wondering what other people thought of the mixing.

Also, being in a band myself I actively take part in the recording and mixing of our songs, and none of them look like a big wall of sound. Mind you we do all our recording and mixing ourselves - great results when you know what your doing, but since none of us really know what we're doing it's hard to get the desired results.

Also, since most of this is new to me (as we've just recently started recording our music) I wouldn't mind some clarification on what the difference between mixing and mastering is.

Thanks!


Well first off, it's an great album! Very ambient.

Unfortunately it's actually very low on dynamic range. Compared to most stuff today it isn't totally bad, but still not near where it should be. As you can see it's almost completely brick walled.

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Posted 18 March 2011 - 06:16 PM

I am a audio engineer myself and I cannot help but shake my head every time I get a client who destroys their song by asking me to master it as loud as possible...great example of a horribe mastered Album is Eminem's latest one, great cd but man did they do a crap mastering job..too loud!

Absolutely...the 808's are so fricking hot...its ridiculous.

Ill re-read the OP about the "remastered" video...as there has been a few recent recordings that have absolutely benefittied from remastering.

The best i have at the moment is the remastered version of Jeff Buckley's "Grace"...big difference.

I heard that John Frusciante is trying to get "Californication" remastered...that think is unlistenable to me.

What do some of you guys think about the engineering/mastering on the Nick Cave/Grinderman albums?!

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Posted 18 March 2011 - 06:18 PM

Id pay Satan to have a remastered copy of the Deftones "White Pony".

Oh...and every single Nickleback album has to be some of the worst mastering/mixing ive heard in awhile. Absolute garbage.

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Posted 19 March 2011 - 12:13 AM

Mixing is what the producer/engineer in the studio does..he is resposible for capturing each instrument and sending a mix to the mastering engineer...a mastering engineer is responsible for making sure that from track to track an album has the same consistent volume...so it doesn't go LOUD SONG...really quiet song...Medium Song... The problem here is mastering is being taken up to the highest peak and then squashed back down...sure everything sounds equal but it also sounds like mush...a good mastering engineer can balance from track to track while maintaining a high dregree of fidelity from the original mix...


Well first off, it's an great album! Very ambient.

Unfortunately it's actually very low on dynamic range. Compared to most stuff today it isn't totally bad, but still not near where it should be. As you can see it's almost completely brick walled.



Thanks for the insight on the mixing/mastering difference. It makes sense that you wouldn't want the album to off the charts loud on one song and barely a whisper the next. I just don't understand why some people want to compress the sh*t out of everything and have it as loud as possible; it ruins the dynamic range, movement and emotion of the song (I'm generalizing, sometimes it doesn't ruin the song). In the end, it's the consumer who has his hands on the volume nob, and will control what he/she listens to and how they listen to it.

Agreed that it is a good album, the last 4 are amazing - at least more amazing than the first 4, in my opinion. Upon re-listening I can definitely tell that the dynamic range isn't the most pronounced, but I got to give props (again) to the mixer - phenomenal.

I will guarantee you will want to punch puppies after being bombarded with utter stupidity for a whole year here.


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Posted 19 March 2011 - 02:53 PM

Thanks for the insight on the mixing/mastering difference. It makes sense that you wouldn't want the album to off the charts loud on one song and barely a whisper the next. I just don't understand why some people want to compress the sh*t out of everything and have it as loud as possible; it ruins the dynamic range, movement and emotion of the song (I'm generalizing, sometimes it doesn't ruin the song). In the end, it's the consumer who has his hands on the volume nob, and will control what he/she listens to and how they listen to it.

Agreed that it is a good album, the last 4 are amazing - at least more amazing than the first 4, in my opinion. Upon re-listening I can definitely tell that the dynamic range isn't the most pronounced, but I got to give props (again) to the mixer - phenomenal.



You can't totally mess up a good mix...that's where the real art of it all happens...listen to Violin from Amos Lees new album Mission Bell for some great mixing.
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Posted 21 March 2011 - 09:17 AM

What do some of you guys think about the engineering/mastering on the Nick Cave/Grinderman albums?!

Way, WAY too loud. It bugs me, because I love his music.

Was just listening to the title track from Abattoir Blues. The volume on my iPod wasn't even at half, and yet the drums and bass were distorted throughout the whole song. The song has such a slick, laid back groove - there's no reason to have everything cranked.

However, if you go back to No More Shall We Part, other than the vocals being a bit too high, it's perfect.
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Posted 21 March 2011 - 12:08 PM

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Posted 03 November 2012 - 05:32 PM

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Posted 03 November 2012 - 06:40 PM

If I was going to watch on a home theater setup, it would be great to have the peaks and valleys all over the place, it does sound way better. However, if I'm on my laptop at 3am and want to watch a movie, it pisses me off to no end. My Lord of the Rings Extended DVD collection is the classic example. I literally cannot hear any of the whispering or talking, even with laptop set to max volume, yet the music and shouting and fighting is way too loud to be played in my apartment (my laptop speakers are actually fairly loud). Its like dynamics gone mad, and its really frustrating.


I thought I was the only one who noticed! Even when LOTR is being played on tv, it has the same issue. It drives me nuts.. mainly because I watch the trilogy pretty often. I've had the same issue with a few of the Harry Potter movies as well but it's not as consistent as LOTR.

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Posted 03 November 2012 - 08:01 PM

A lot of systems have compression to eliminate that problem. I find that newish movies like LOTR definitely require it.

Annoying attribute of so-called theatre sound is that not everybody appreciates it when they'd like to just simply watch the movie at home. Not immerse themselves in loudness hell.
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Posted 04 November 2012 - 02:03 PM

I hate to be the bearer of bad news (especially as I agree with you) but most people don't care and it's unlikely to change thanks to that.


Unfortunately, this is the same reason for many of the world's problems. If only there were a way to change it...

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