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#1111 Kamero89

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Posted 26 August 2012 - 06:00 PM

LA and Seattle look really good right now, although we're still in striking distance catching them seems less and less likely. If we make the playoffs it will probably be at the 5th seed (one game playoff, winner has a 2 game total goal series against #1 seed in west) and will probably be against LA, or Seattle. That game will be on the road.

The Whitecaps HAVE to learn how to win on the road. Tied for 1st in MLS with only 2 home losses, but 2nd last in away wins.
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Posted 26 August 2012 - 11:14 PM

The caps have a hard time involving their fans into games outside the south end(supporters section). An official team fight song would do that. I was in Salt Lake earlier this year, and watched an RSL game, and their fight song "Believe" is the catchiest thing, and the whole stadium sings it.



RSL paid the drummer from Rancid to compose this song, so instead of a support group just stealing a song and changing its lyrics, it should be composed by a local.
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Posted 27 August 2012 - 02:28 AM

I think it was a dumb move to get rid of Hassli, he was the heart of the team and a fan fav.I don't like the look of the team at all, for one i can't stand Robson all he does on the pitch is yell at everyone his act is going to piss some of the players off sooner then later not a good fit at all.Miller hasn't done much because he hasn't play that much either.I rather see Mattocks play more.Rennie obviously been Scottish is going to wanna play his two countrymen more which I think it's dumb.Robson should come off the bench.Ever since Davide Chiumiento has left this team has gone from been 7 pts out of 1st place in the west to dropping to 5 place and holding off Dallas FC and don't count of Chivas USA as they have games in hand.All and all I think Rennie was an idiot for dismantling a third place team for this crap team now.
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Posted 27 August 2012 - 09:30 AM

I think it was a dumb move to get rid of Hassli, he was the heart of the team and a fan fav.I don't like the look of the team at all, for one i can't stand Robson all he does on the pitch is yell at everyone his act is going to piss some of the players off sooner then later not a good fit at all.Miller hasn't done much because he hasn't play that much either.I rather see Mattocks play more.Rennie obviously been Scottish is going to wanna play his two countrymen more which I think it's dumb.Robson should come off the bench.Ever since Davide Chiumiento has left this team has gone from been 7 pts out of 1st place in the west to dropping to 5 place and holding off Dallas FC and don't count of Chivas USA as they have games in hand.All and all I think Rennie was an idiot for dismantling a third place team for this crap team now.


So we should have kept paying Hassli the big bucks, to sit on the bench? When he did start the games he could barely finish them. Great talent obviously, but not worth the money we were paying him.

Wait to judge all the new players until the end of the season. There is still plenty of time for them to prove you wrong.
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Posted 27 August 2012 - 09:33 AM

The caps have a hard time involving their fans into games outside the south end(supporters section). An official team fight song would do that. I was in Salt Lake earlier this year, and watched an RSL game, and their fight song "Believe" is the catchiest thing, and the whole stadium sings it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pa1DJ008t9Y&feature=related

RSL paid the drummer from Rancid to compose this song, so instead of a support group just stealing a song and changing its lyrics, it should be composed by a local.


Boundary Road is pretty good, but nobody really knows it aside the from the Southsiders.
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Posted 27 August 2012 - 12:04 PM

So we should have kept paying Hassli the big bucks, to sit on the bench? When he did start the games he could barely finish them. Great talent obviously, but not worth the money we were paying him.

Wait to judge all the new players until the end of the season. There is still plenty of time for them to prove you wrong.


I rather kept paying Hassli then Robson or Miller anygiven day atleast Hassli even when he played or as you say barely played he did something on the pitch unlike these two.Hassli is even chipping in with TFC.I won't be renew my season tickets next season any how if anything I rather see them have some more Canadian internationals.

Edited by Mclean1, 27 August 2012 - 12:05 PM.

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Posted 27 August 2012 - 12:14 PM

I see you're not fans of Kenny Miller.

Neither are Celtic fans, so we have something in common :lol:
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Posted 27 August 2012 - 04:11 PM

I rather kept paying Hassli then Robson or Miller anygiven day atleast Hassli even when he played or as you say barely played he did something on the pitch unlike these two.Hassli is even chipping in with TFC.I won't be renew my season tickets next season any how if anything I rather see them have some more Canadian internationals.




As much as Robson can rub people the wrong way, he is solid. He controls the midfield really well with Koffie. I would love to see him stop barking at all his team mates though, doing that all game isn't going to accomplish much. I'm in the same boat as you right now, I'm not a fan of the mid season overhaul, but I think the team just needs to build a bit of chemistry.
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Posted 31 August 2012 - 06:11 PM

uummm?



Jay DeMerit@D6MERIT
Due to my love affair with @WhitecapsFC and @ashleighmcivor, I have rejected a $32 million dollar transfer to #ManCity... #gocaps


Is this for real?

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Posted 31 August 2012 - 06:13 PM

uummm?





Is this for real?


Very, very real.
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Posted 31 August 2012 - 09:27 PM

How can you give up 32M.
That's beyond loyalty. It's just... dumb, almost.
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Posted 31 August 2012 - 10:04 PM

How can you give up 32M.
That's beyond loyalty. It's just... dumb, almost.


It was not real. I hoped the sarcasm was a little more obvious, lol. Apologies. Unless your post is sarcastic as well. In which case I apologize again.
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Posted 01 September 2012 - 12:31 AM

It was not real. I hoped the sarcasm was a little more obvious, lol. Apologies. Unless your post is sarcastic as well. In which case I apologize again.

Sarcasm was not sensed on my end either, lol. I was thinking it wouldn't be real...just wanted to double check. That would have been..well..unreal.
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Posted 01 September 2012 - 04:31 AM

uummm?





Is this for real?


:lol:
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Posted 01 September 2012 - 07:20 PM

Tonights lineup basically looks like were outright expecting a loss.. You really gotta question why Rennie would decide to rest players tonight (we have a 2 week break coming up) when he should of been resting guys a longg time ago in the heavier part of our schedule. not to mention LA is likely the team we would face in their home barn if we make the playoffs... don't you want a good showing here?. Who knows maybe a shocker happens and we win and this looks genius but i have my doubts.
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Posted 01 September 2012 - 07:58 PM

LA just seems to have our number. I wish the Cap's had signed Keane.
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Posted 01 September 2012 - 08:59 PM

I don't believe we have a single shot on goal yet this game....again!! Not only do we ???? suck right now, this team is just so ???? boring to watch. I think there was 1 stretch we did not touch the ball for a good 3 min..

I like the whitecaps, ill support them as i do all our local teams but man they are not going to gain any new fans in this market with play like this and a team like this. I even find myself losing interest when you pretty much know on the road were playing for a draw off the start at best..and once were down a goal you get the feeling oh great we'll be lucky if we even get a draw out of this. 2+ goals its a pretty good bet were toast.
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Posted 01 September 2012 - 09:38 PM

1 shot in 4 games. Prior to Rennie blowing up the team to bring in two of his own countrymen, we were averaging 4/game. Hassli would average 2 on goal alone.
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Posted 02 September 2012 - 07:07 AM

I am a casual fan of the Whitecaps since I can't watch any games. I follow the team, but only highlights and reading about them.

Can somebody explain to me what the heck they were thinking blowing up the winning team that they had? Sure, they weren't the best, and their hot start did start to trail off, but why dump all the offense just to double up on back-ups for defense?

I've watched the development of the team in Montreal, and I really respect the moves they made to sign players from abroad. Bringing in an absolute veteran defensive specialist in Nesta, and a killer goal scorer in Di Vaio is exactly how I feel MLS teams need to be built. Youth, with a sprinkling of aged class.

Look at LA...they're like a retirement team for former EU stars, and it works for them.

I'm starting to get worried that we're seeing a grizzlies/raptors scenario developing where management is pushing the team in the wrong direction.

Why can't Vancouver sign a Del Piero, or a Nesta, or a Gattuso, or any of these types of players. Is it a money thing?

Dumping their offense, and nose diving the team in both entertainment and results is really disappointing. If anyone with more knowledge of the team can explain it to me, that'd be great.
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Posted 02 September 2012 - 08:51 AM

The downward spiral continues. :rolleyes: It's getting depressing to watch.
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Posted 02 September 2012 - 12:18 PM

I am a casual fan of the Whitecaps since I can't watch any games. I follow the team, but only highlights and reading about them.

Can somebody explain to me what the heck they were thinking blowing up the winning team that they had? Sure, they weren't the best, and their hot start did start to trail off, but why dump all the offense just to double up on back-ups for defense?

I've watched the development of the team in Montreal, and I really respect the moves they made to sign players from abroad. Bringing in an absolute veteran defensive specialist in Nesta, and a killer goal scorer in Di Vaio is exactly how I feel MLS teams need to be built. Youth, with a sprinkling of aged class.

Look at LA...they're like a retirement team for former EU stars, and it works for them.

I'm starting to get worried that we're seeing a grizzlies/raptors scenario developing where management is pushing the team in the wrong direction.

Why can't Vancouver sign a Del Piero, or a Nesta, or a Gattuso, or any of these types of players. Is it a money thing?

Dumping their offense, and nose diving the team in both entertainment and results is really disappointing. If anyone with more knowledge of the team can explain it to me, that'd be great.


Robson and Kenny Miller are both well known internationally players. Miller is even the captain of Scotland. This team is better on paper, but coach Rennie did not take into account that team he blew up played a year and a half together developing chemistry.
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Posted 02 September 2012 - 01:08 PM

I am a casual fan of the Whitecaps since I can't watch any games. I follow the team, but only highlights and reading about them.

Can somebody explain to me what the heck they were thinking blowing up the winning team that they had? Sure, they weren't the best, and their hot start did start to trail off, but why dump all the offense just to double up on back-ups for defense?

I've watched the development of the team in Montreal, and I really respect the moves they made to sign players from abroad. Bringing in an absolute veteran defensive specialist in Nesta, and a killer goal scorer in Di Vaio is exactly how I feel MLS teams need to be built. Youth, with a sprinkling of aged class.

Look at LA...they're like a retirement team for former EU stars, and it works for them.

I'm starting to get worried that we're seeing a grizzlies/raptors scenario developing where management is pushing the team in the wrong direction.

Why can't Vancouver sign a Del Piero, or a Nesta, or a Gattuso, or any of these types of players. Is it a money thing?

Dumping their offense, and nose diving the team in both entertainment and results is really disappointing. If anyone with more knowledge of the team can explain it to me, that'd be great.


When you play on turf your going to have a hard time convincing some of the top flight players to come and play here without forking over huge coin. I don't think we'll ever see the true top flight guys come here until were out of BC place.

Montreal has done it right signing guys out of Serie A meanwhile were getting guys a step below from the Championship..big difference in quality. I really have no problem with signing older talent, even if they only stick around a couple years.

I think letting Chiemiento go was the biggest mistake ever. We have zero creativity in the midfield, none and Robson doesn't provide that either. It really hasn't mattered who we have up front, Miller, Hassli, Le Toux.. we had no one capable of feeding them the ball.
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Posted 02 September 2012 - 03:22 PM

Robson and Kenny Miller are both well known internationally players. Miller is even the captain of Scotland. This team is better on paper, but coach Rennie did not take into account that team he blew up played a year and a half together developing chemistry.


Yeah, maybe they could score the "captain" of the Belorussian team while they're at it. I know that Miller has a certain pedigree, but he's not a top flight player on the level of Nesta, Henri, Beckham, Del Piero, Gattuso, etc.

The role of chemistry is interesting to note. That's an insightful comment. Is it a lost cause at this point, or can it be recovered?
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Posted 02 September 2012 - 03:32 PM

When you play on turf your going to have a hard time convincing some of the top flight players to come and play here without forking over huge coin. I don't think we'll ever see the true top flight guys come here until were out of BC place.

Montreal has done it right signing guys out of Serie A meanwhile were getting guys a step below from the Championship..big difference in quality. I really have no problem with signing older talent, even if they only stick around a couple years.

I think letting Chiemiento go was the biggest mistake ever. We have zero creativity in the midfield, none and Robson doesn't provide that either. It really hasn't mattered who we have up front, Miller, Hassli, Le Toux.. we had no one capable of feeding them the ball.


Thanks for the insight. Never thought of the role that turf could play in players' decisions. I know the injury issue (etc.), but even the San Siro has switched to hybrid turf this year after complaints from the almighty Barca in last year's CL quarters.

I understand the money question, but I'm wondering how Montreal can attract these players but Van can't. Do they have more cash?

Also, there should be some cache to living in Van. It's not New York or LA, but it's not Salt lake city either. From what I understand, Nesta just put himself out there, and there were no takers at first. He landed in MTL. This is a guy that was doing a great job shutting down some of the best in Europe just last year. That is the level of class Van needs a sprinkling of to compete.

It's hard to score good midfielders with some mileage left, as they're attractive to keep on good teams. As a Milan fan, I would've loved to see the likes of Saedorf or Gattuso in Van, but that would be a far flung fantasy. I'd love to see half of the geriatrics they cut from their squad end up in Van (Van Bommel, Zambrotta, Nesta, Gattuso, Saedorf, etc).

I'd love to see Del Piero there as well, or even Di Vaio. The status and the hype alone would be amazing, let alone the insights they could bring to the whole squad, as long as the chemistry was right of course.

Van's a world class city to live in, and these footballers are endlessly intent on extending their careers and playing outside of Europe. Could Van afford to bring any of these guys in? What's the missing piece? A new stadium?

Thanks for the insight.
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Posted 02 September 2012 - 05:11 PM

Thanks for the insight. Never thought of the role that turf could play in players' decisions. I know the injury issue (etc.), but even the San Siro has switched to hybrid turf this year after complaints from the almighty Barca in last year's CL quarters.

I understand the money question, but I'm wondering how Montreal can attract these players but Van can't. Do they have more cash?

Also, there should be some cache to living in Van. It's not New York or LA, but it's not Salt lake city either. From what I understand, Nesta just put himself out there, and there were no takers at first. He landed in MTL. This is a guy that was doing a great job shutting down some of the best in Europe just last year. That is the level of class Van needs a sprinkling of to compete.

It's hard to score good midfielders with some mileage left, as they're attractive to keep on good teams. As a Milan fan, I would've loved to see the likes of Saedorf or Gattuso in Van, but that would be a far flung fantasy. I'd love to see half of the geriatrics they cut from their squad end up in Van (Van Bommel, Zambrotta, Nesta, Gattuso, Saedorf, etc).

I'd love to see Del Piero there as well, or even Di Vaio. The status and the hype alone would be amazing, let alone the insights they could bring to the whole squad, as long as the chemistry was right of course.

Van's a world class city to live in, and these footballers are endlessly intent on extending their careers and playing outside of Europe. Could Van afford to bring any of these guys in? What's the missing piece? A new stadium?

Thanks for the insight.


Montreal's owners (The Supputo family) are very wealthy. Top 10 in Canada I believe. They used their own money to build a stadium, and then upgrade it this year.

Our owners are very wealthy as well. 2 of our owners are billionaire's, Our owners even offered to privately build a soccer stadium in Gastown, but 20% of the residents gained enough attention from corrupt politicians to get it blocked. They are still looking to build one, but doing so quietly. Their lease with BC Place was relatively short(5 years). For comparison sakes, most teams are forced to sign 20 year leases when they move into a new facility.

Back to topic, it seems at the present time, our owners are simply only giving enough money to compete, until a stadium is obtained. Whitecaps are right in the middle of the league when it comes to team salaries. We only use 2/3 DP spots at the moment.

TFC went after a well known player like Torsten Frings and he has just been awful. TFC has the 2nd highest salary in the league, and sits in 2nd last. RSL, and SJ have shown you can compete if you build your team properly. LA may spend a lot, and 2/3 DP's (Keane and Donovan)are still good enough to play in the EPL(and both have done so on loan agreements during MLS off-season), but they also have great residency program.

In short we WILL eventually spend money, but owners are committing most time and money towards stadiums efforts as appose to winning a title right now.
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Posted 02 September 2012 - 05:26 PM

Robson and Kenny Miller are both well known internationally players. Miller is even the captain of Scotland. This team is better on paper, but coach Rennie did not take into account that team he blew up played a year and a half together developing chemistry.


A few years ago. But they're both pretty much past it nowadays. Miller can still score goals but if it wasn't for the fact Scotland has a moron of a manager, he's probably be the third choice striker if even that.
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Posted 02 September 2012 - 08:29 PM

Montreal's owners (The Supputo family) are very wealthy. Top 10 in Canada I believe. They used their own money to build a stadium, and then upgrade it this year.

Our owners are very wealthy as well. 2 of our owners are billionaire's, Our owners even offered to privately build a soccer stadium in Gastown, but 20% of the residents gained enough attention from corrupt politicians to get it blocked. They are still looking to build one, but doing so quietly. Their lease with BC Place was relatively short(5 years). For comparison sakes, most teams are forced to sign 20 year leases when they move into a new facility.

Back to topic, it seems at the present time, our owners are simply only giving enough money to compete, until a stadium is obtained. Whitecaps are right in the middle of the league when it comes to team salaries. We only use 2/3 DP spots at the moment.

TFC went after a well known player like Torsten Frings and he has just been awful. TFC has the 2nd highest salary in the league, and sits in 2nd last. RSL, and SJ have shown you can compete if you build your team properly. LA may spend a lot, and 2/3 DP's (Keane and Donovan)are still good enough to play in the EPL(and both have done so on loan agreements during MLS off-season), but they also have great residency program.

In short we WILL eventually spend money, but owners are committing most time and money towards stadiums efforts as appose to winning a title right now.


I wish you were right about the lease only being 5 years but from every article ive read its 15 years... :(

"PavCo chairman David Podmore told The Vancouver Sun the Crown corporation never conferred any naming rights to either the Whitecaps or Bell when it agreed to a 15-year lease with the soccer club."


Read more: http://www.vancouver...l#ixzz25NE5a9YF


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Posted 02 September 2012 - 08:57 PM

I wish you were right about the lease only being 5 years but from every article ive read its 15 years... :(

"PavCo chairman David Podmore told The Vancouver Sun the Crown corporation never conferred any naming rights to either the Whitecaps or Bell when it agreed to a 15-year lease with the soccer club."


Read more: http://www.vancouver...l#ixzz25NE5a9YF

eck, original was 5 years. Leases can be broken though. Almost every team that has ever relocated had to break their lease. And it is easier to out of them when the said stadium is owned by the city or government. Canucks broke their lease from PC to move downtown, I am sure the same can be done.
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Posted 02 September 2012 - 09:02 PM

By some grace of god, the 'Caps still hold a 4 point lead over FC Dallas and a game in hand. Chivas is 9 points back with 3 games in hand, but have lost more recently than the caps.

Worst case scenario the 'Caps lose to FC Dallas in 2 weeks, and have a 1 point lead, with a game in hand in final 5 games(4 would be at home, and 'Caps only have 2 home losses all year).
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Posted 02 September 2012 - 09:22 PM

Did DeMerit actually turn down 32 mill? Because I'm not able to find news of it anywhere else on the internet or google apart from his one tweet.
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