Common sense Posted June 21, 2011 Share Posted June 21, 2011 that comment was actually lulzy. at least she didnt go all self destructive on herself but instead structured an "apology"? better the second time around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super19 Posted June 21, 2011 Share Posted June 21, 2011 Like i said earlier, should have been done the firs time around. Going back on an apology only reeks of cover-my-ass symdrome Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zippgunn Posted June 21, 2011 Share Posted June 21, 2011 The Vancouver Sun has now linked to Camille Cacnio's original attempt at an apology (rife with justifications and excuses for inexcusable conduct) as well as the edited version. One of the comments said it quite well: Looking at the original and then the edited version of her posted "apology" it's obvious that someone told Camille that her original apology was actually not an apology at all. It got slammed on line for obvious reasons and she edited most of the excuses and contempt she was showing for those she was actually apologizing to. Her original one was genuinely her and the edited version was what she was told to do quickly...are you now going to say you were drunk when you wrote the original Camille? http://www.vancouversun.com/sports/student+apologizes+online+looting+Vancouver+store/4977321/story.html#Comments#ixzz1PsiBG8rE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homo Sapiens' Sapience Posted June 21, 2011 Share Posted June 21, 2011 RIOT INVESTIGATION – FACT SHEET June 20, 2011 Vancouver Police have received approximately 3500 emails, including tips, from the public at robbery@vpd.ca. Some of these emails include: 53 with videos attached 676 with links to YouTube 708 with images attached 1011 with hyperlinks to other social media sites other than YouTube (mostly Facebook) 344 emails contain only text 280 Crime Stoppers tips received 900 additional emails have been received by the VPD Public Affairs Section. These will be reviewed for content and those with tips or information will be forwarded to robbery@vpd.ca To date, 12 people have turned themselves in to Vancouver Police and three others to police in outside jurisdictions. Charges A total of 117 people have been arrested for a variety of offences, including breach of the peace, public intoxication, breach of probation, assault, mischief, theft, possession of stolen property and obstructing a peace officer. Many charges are pending, however, formal charges have been recommended in the following cases: Twenty year-old Edgar Ricardo Garcia of Burnaby is charged with aggravated assault stemming from an incident where two men were stabbed in the 700 block of Hornby Street on June 15. Twenty-seven year-old Joshua Lyle Evans of Calgary is charged with possessing a weapon dangerous to the public peace. This stems from the same incident in the 700 block of Hornby Street. A 21 year old man from Ladner with no previous criminal convictions is facing charges of mischief and participation in a riot. He is alleged to have broken a rear tail light and rear window of a green pick-up truck parked in the 300 block of West Georgia Street. A 19 year old man from Surrey, with no previous criminal convictions, is facing charges of break and enter, theft and participation in a riot, stemming from an incident in the 700 block of West Georgia Street. It is alleged that he entered the Hudson’s Bay Company and stole a Coach purse. A 17 year old youth from Maple Ridge with no previous criminal convictions is facing charges of participation in a riot and of arson for allegedly lighting a police car on fire in the 100 block of West Georgia. An 18 year old man from Delta with no previous criminal convictions is facing a charge of mischief and participating in a riot for allegedly kicking a hole through the window of the Budget Rental Car office located in the 400 block of West Georgia. A 20 year old man from Maple Ridge with no previous criminal convictions is facing charges of mischief and participating in a riot after allegedly breaking a window of the Bank of Montreal located at Homer and West Georgia. A 22 year old man from Burnaby, with no previous criminal convictions is facing charges of assaulting a peace officer, break and enter, mischief and participation in a riot stemming from an incident at Library Square where he allegedly threw a water bottle at the police, broke a window and then entered a building. http://vpdreleases.icontext.com/2011/06/20/riot-investigation-fact-sheet/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Traumatic Posted June 21, 2011 Share Posted June 21, 2011 <P><BR>edited - maybe too strong choice of words.<BR> <BR>I agree that those responsible should be harshly punished. However, I get annoyed by all the self-righteousness exhibited on these boards.<BR><BR>I think that there should be more weight placed on how to avoid future riots - and I'm sure there will be much discussion on this. </P> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aixtek Posted June 21, 2011 Share Posted June 21, 2011 I had said before that I am sickened by these morons' sympathizers. As for the bolded: Exactly. Did you even read her letter? I also don't refer to those riots with "we". I use "they" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miss Korea Bob.Loblaw Posted June 21, 2011 Share Posted June 21, 2011 I care because we have failed as a society. We have failed to implement programs and systems that can help people like Camille, who I knew from high school, do the right thing in a setting like 6/15. Our teachers, parents, and coaches failed to discipline the youth correctly, so they would know (when tested with a trial like 6/15) what the right thing to do is, and how to do it. If they do it again, it's because all of us failed yet again to set up a system where we can prevent something like this from happening. If they do it again, it's going to cost businesses and the public more dollars to recover. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Common sense Posted June 21, 2011 Share Posted June 21, 2011 You think private citizens can do a better job of making people understand why they are guilty over the courts and the government? There's a name for people who think like that... they're called Anarchists... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Situation Posted June 21, 2011 Share Posted June 21, 2011 So why not change the culture then? I don't believe that saying the riot is a result of "mob mentality" and then leaving it at that is a good enough answer. If we want to prevent this from being a regular occurrence whenever the Canucks make the finals (and i hope that's very frequent), when we gotta find a psychological solution that explains mob mentality as well as "solves/cures" it. I agree though - a very good way to stop this is to hammer down on the inciters, and do it right at the start. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Common sense Posted June 21, 2011 Share Posted June 21, 2011 And for some reason, you believe that some stranger on the internet is going to make or break them...? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miss Korea Bob.Loblaw Posted June 21, 2011 Share Posted June 21, 2011 There's a carryover effect from what literally 10000s of internet strangers say, to media and pop media, which affects the inner circles that the accused affiliates with (parents, employers, friends). This inner circle is very powerful, and like what we saw in the case of Nathan Kotylak, parents can push a child to publicly admitting guilt. So yes..I believe that some stranger on the internet has the ability to make or break them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aixtek Posted June 21, 2011 Share Posted June 21, 2011 I never said that in the post you quoted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Common sense Posted June 21, 2011 Share Posted June 21, 2011 No, but you alluded to it by justifying internet vigilantism by saying that these people won't learn from the courts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Common sense Posted June 21, 2011 Share Posted June 21, 2011 Read what Camille Cacnio wrote. Like someone else said, it just makes her fight back and say some really stupid things. In terms of speaking with the public, she has the same skills as Roberto Luongo. So what about the posters? What difference did they make? If we had a thread like that here, where Camille is the OP and then there's all this trash talking going on afterwards, those posters become trolls. Which is what the posters are. They're just trolls who have no life, just like the rioters. Wasting time on the internet to send hateful messages, trying to get a reaction out of them and then they feel better about themselves. Unhealthy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nux4lyfe Posted June 21, 2011 Share Posted June 21, 2011 It's crazy, Most of these people doing these crimes are roughly in their late teens and mid 20's, The justice system needs to throw the book at these idiots and make a example out of these fools. Also need to look into our educational system, How does a UBC student and a potential Olympian end up in this predicament? , I was no angel when I was younger but man, lighting a car on fire?..what if it blew up and killed people?, Apologies are such a easy way out. I hope these idiots get it in the worse way, Because everyone not from Vancouver is painting us with the same brush. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Violator Posted June 21, 2011 Share Posted June 21, 2011 The Vancouver Sun has now linked to Camille Cacnio's original attempt at an apology (rife with justifications and excuses for inexcusable conduct) as well as the edited version. One of the comments said it quite well: Looking at the original and then the edited version of her posted "apology" it's obvious that someone told Camille that her original apology was actually not an apology at all. It got slammed on line for obvious reasons and she edited most of the excuses and contempt she was showing for those she was actually apologizing to. Her original one was genuinely her and the edited version was what she was told to do quickly...are you now going to say you were drunk when you wrote the original Camille? http://www.vancouversun.com/sports/student+apologizes+online+looting+Vancouver+store/4977321/story.html#Comments#ixzz1PsiBG8rE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trek Posted June 21, 2011 Share Posted June 21, 2011 It's crazy, Most of these people doing these crimes are roughly in their late teens and mid 20's, The justice system needs to throw the book at these idiots and make a example out of these fools. Also need to look into our educational system, How does a UBC student and a potential Olympian end up in this predicament? , I was no angel when I was younger but man, lighting a car on fire?..what if it blew up and killed people?, Apologies are such a easy way out. I hope these idiots get it in the worse way, Because everyone not from Vancouver is painting us with the same brush. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Common sense Posted June 21, 2011 Share Posted June 21, 2011 Anybody calling for stiff jail sentences or any such punishment is living in denial this is BC and Vancouver court system people will plead guilty and only have to pay fines for what they have done and maybe some will get community service only if they cant afford good lawyers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miss Korea Bob.Loblaw Posted June 21, 2011 Share Posted June 21, 2011 I say that's her character being revealed moreso than the situation that she has put herself in. I think your perspective of trolling is much different than the ones established by CDC. In this case, if posters are still talking about Camille and doing so in a civil manner with no intent to provoke other posters, that's not trolling, but merely posting. Thus far, all I've seen are posts, not troll-posts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Voucer Posted June 21, 2011 Share Posted June 21, 2011 I hear some people made some crude comments about the riot on their Facebook accounts and were fired from their jobs subsequently. I mean, if you're going to say something stupid, do it on a message board. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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