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Posted 12 July 2011 - 06:05 PM

Ugh...Frk.

Apparently this kid has some serious compete issues and skating issues.
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Posted 12 July 2011 - 06:52 PM

Ugh...Frk.

Apparently this kid has some serious compete issues and skating issues.

How'd you come across that?
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Posted 12 July 2011 - 08:39 PM

How'd you come across that?

Can't remember where I saw it. The compete level thing is hard to gage since you can't put a number or stat on compete level, but his skating definitely needs improvement.
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Posted 26 July 2011 - 11:19 PM

I'm happy to see that Grenier, should he go back to the Q, will be playing top line minutes with this guy:

Is there a second Sidney Crosby?

Probably not, but Nathan MacKinnon has some amazing - if not incredible - similarities to Sid the Kid. First of all, who is Nathan Mackinnon?

He is the most talked about hockey player in these parts of Atlantic Canada and for a 15-year old, his career mirrors Sidney Crosby in so many ways when he was at this stage in his career. In fact, 10 years ago I interviewed Crosby on the eve of a major full page story on him in the Hockey News. The News had done stories on 14-year-olds but never a full page item. By the way, the interview was conducted in Crosby's Cole Harbour home and I was witness to the famed dryer where he took shots. I told my wife that night that I interviewed the most mature 14 year old that I ever met.

Let's count some of the ways that MacKinnon is similar to Crosby at this stage in his career.

Nathan, like Sidney is from Cole Harbour, Nova Scotia.

Like Crosby, he dominated minor hockey.

Like Sidney he attended the prep school at Shattuck St Mary's in Faribault, Minnesota, recording an eye-popping 85 points in 34 games.

MacKinnon was the number one overall pick of the QMJHL midget draft - the same as Sid. MacKinnon accomplished that last month, being taken by the Baie Comeau Drakkar.

Crosby had a good Canada Winter Games as did the young MacKinnon.

The comparisons continue with Crosby having Pat Brisson as his agent. I'm not sure if midget kids can have agents, so Mackinnon has an "advisor," the same Pat Brisson. This week, the biggest franchise in Atlantic Canada - the Halifax Mooseheads - who've had a porous last three years, got MacKinnon via the trade route. Growing up in Cole Harbour, MacKinnon's parents billeted the Mooseheads.

Mackinnon thought, like Crosby, of going through the U.S. college system. Last week, when the Mooseheads got his rights, he decided to stay in Halifax and play in the Q. The Baie Comeau team did not want to trade him as they felt he could be an impact, if not a franchise player, but there are no English schools in and around Baie Comeau; hence the trade. Baie Comeau Drakkar got a lot for him, including the Mooseheads best player last season - Francis Turbide, and three first round draft choices. But the Mooseheads feel he is worth it. MacKinnon's family has followed the Moose since their inception and Nathan since he was a child.

MacKinnon is a 5'11 centre, weighing 170 lbs with room to grow. Brian Urquhart, the Mooseheads' vice-president of business operations, says the arrival of MacKinnon has already resulted in increased season ticket sales.

"Things are pretty slow in July but they have been active since we got him," says Urquhart.

Cam Russell is the GM of the Mooseheads and says MacKinnon is worth what he gave up.

"He is the best player in the draft and will in his first year as a junior, providing he doesn't get hurt, will be on the best players on the team. He is a power-forward with seldom seen top-end speed. He's up and going at top-end speed faster than anyone I've seen in a long time," says Russell, who played for the NHL's Chicago Blackhawks.

In February, he excelled for Nova Scotia in the Canada Winter Games which were held here. He starred leading the team in scoring and by a wide margin. He scored eight goals and 11 points to finish in a tie for fourth place in tournament scoring. This was accomplished with a poor Nova Scotia team. In those games, many scouts thought he was the best player in the tournament and some suggested he's the early favourite to be the first overall pick in the 2013 NHL Draft.

He is looked on as the most talent player to come into the Q from the midget ranks since Crosby, who was in Rimouski between 2003-05 where he took home Player of the Year in all of the CHL. MacKinnon looked at the U.S. college system in making his choices just like Crosby did at this stage of his career. Crosby opted for Rimouski where he was home schooled and learned French. He's been described as a "tremendous talent' and a "complete" player who can hit, shoot, makes plays and is an outstanding player. He has also been described as a kid with an "edge" and very "driven" which separates him at that age.

MacKinnon's arrival has perked up season sales.

The Mooseheads for years had been one of the better teams in the Q, having made a run for the Presidents Cup and a trip to the Memorial Cup on two occasions and losing twice in game seven. But the last three years have been bad ones, with the team finishing at the bottom of the league one season and close to it the other seasons. The past three or four summers have been dull, hockey-wise, here and the attendance that once was one of the best in this country has had a steep decline. That will stop this season. People are anxiously awaiting training camp and the arrival of maybe another Sid Crosby.

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Kassian.... Taylor Pyatt 3.0

Lies. He's more of a Steve Bernier. Hopefully his talent level goes up so he can become like a Taylor Pyatt.


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Posted 26 July 2011 - 11:51 PM

Completely different type of player from Sidney Crosby though. Not a great playmaker like Crosby, more of a power forward shooter. And it's not a guarantee that Grenier would get to ride shotgun with this kid either.
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Posted 27 July 2011 - 12:04 AM

Much like most everything in life, there are no guarantees. Chances are...?
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Posted 27 July 2011 - 12:10 AM

Much like most everything in life, there are no guarantees. Chances are...?


Checked out the Mooseheads - really crappy players all around, except for Frk (RW).

Highest scoring LW is Carl Gelinas who got 54 points in 68 games. Grenier had 24 points in 31 games. One thing Grenier has over Gelinas is size (6'5" vs 6'0") (also maturity - overager) and is definitely in a legitimate contention for that LW spot next to Mackinnon IMO. Frk has the RW locked down.
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Posted 27 July 2011 - 02:37 AM

6'5" :bigblush: if its possible for him to put 20 or so pounds on then... :bigblush:
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Posted 27 July 2011 - 02:56 AM

Curtis Lazar will be 1st overall in 2013

Mackinnon is good too though
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Posted 27 July 2011 - 05:33 PM

Curtis Lazar will be 1st overall in 2013

Mackinnon is good too though

Are you just trying to start things or are you serious?

MacKinnon is by far the most talented 2013 draft eligible thus far. Lazar is a more complete package, but MacKinnon's top-end speed and skills have him above and beyond any of the 1995-born players.

IMO, Lazar is going to be a winner - he has the intangibles, and has clutch written all over him. On character and intangible points, Lazar has MacKinnon beat by a small margin, but MacKinnon is way more skilled than Lazar.

Lazar's going to be a Yzerman/Toews-type player, while MacKinnon will be a Hull/Stamkos-type player. Both good franchise players. Personally, at this point, I'd take Lazar before MacKinnon as well (because of the intangibles), but MacKinnon will go #1 in 2013 if everything pans out just because he's too skilled to go 2nd to anyone - even Lazar.

And who knows, MacKinnon might add that intangibles of winning to his game on a better team with better linemates. If he wins one of QMJHL championship/Memorial Cup (which implies QMJHL championship)/WJC Gold before the draft, I'd be sold on this kid. He'd be the real deal if he can win some team trophies.

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Posted 27 July 2011 - 05:43 PM

Well, looks like stud-in-the-making Nathan MacKinnon has been traded to Halifax, so together with Frk and Grigorenko Grenier should have some real talent to work with and put up big points. Look for him to dominate offensively next year. Lots of pure skill right there. Then Hannay can step in if goons try to rough them up. Posted Image


Isn't Nathan Mackinnon the kid people are comparing to Crosby.

Edit: Found my answer on this page.

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Posted 27 July 2011 - 05:48 PM

Are you just trying to start things or are you serious?

MacKinnon is by far the most talented 2013 draft eligible thus far. Lazar is a more complete package, but MacKinnon's top-end speed and skills have him above and beyond any of the 1995-born players.

IMO, Lazar is going to be a winner - he has the intangibles, and has clutch written all over him. On character and intangible points, Lazar has MacKinnon beat by a small margin, but MacKinnon is way more skilled than Lazar.

Lazar's going to be a Yzerman/Toews-type player, while MacKinnon will be a Hull/Stamkos-type player. Both good franchise players. Personally, at this point, I'd take Lazar before MacKinnon as well (because of the intangibles), but MacKinnon will go #1 in 2013 if everything pans out just because he's too skilled to go 2nd to anyone - even Lazar.

And who knows, MacKinnon might add that intangibles of winning to his game on a better team with better linemates. If he wins one of QMJHL championship/Memorial Cup (which implies QMJHL championship)/WJC Gold before the draft, I'd be sold on this kid. He'd be the real deal if he can win some team trophies.


Lazar was the best player in the winter games, albeit MacKinnon was on a poor team.

It's probably because I actually know the kid. He's from Vernon

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Posted 27 July 2011 - 06:43 PM

God, it feels weird thinking about these kids and their potential in the NHL. Born in the same year as me Posted Image
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Posted 27 July 2011 - 06:59 PM

God, it feels weird thinking about these kids and their potential in the NHL. Born in the same year as me Posted Image


It feels even weirder when you're in your 30's and you're talking about 17-year olds. :lol:
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Posted 27 July 2011 - 08:05 PM

It feels even weirder when you're in your 30's and you're talking about 17-year olds. :lol:


Haha, I'm 16 and talking about the 2013 Draft Candidates; but yeah, I see what you mean :P
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Posted 27 July 2011 - 11:09 PM

Try it from a 70+ year old's perspective. I have grandkids older than some of those guys!
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Posted 27 July 2011 - 11:21 PM

Try it from a 70+ year old's perspective. I have grandkids older than some of those guys!


Ha!

Perspective. :D
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Posted 31 July 2011 - 03:15 AM

I'm happy to see that Grenier, should he go back to the Q, will be playing top line minutes with this guy:


I really hope he does. With that size, Grenier has a good chance of playing with the smaller MacKinnon. I want to see him tear up the Q!

Isn't Nathan Mackinnon the kid people are comparing to Crosby.

Edit: Found my answer on this page.

To be fair, people were always looking for the next Gretzky. Then after 2005 they'd all start looking for the next Crosby. We'll be looking for the next MacKinnon soon I guess...

Try it from a 70+ year old's perspective. I have grandkids older than some of those guys!


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Posted 28 August 2011 - 07:46 AM

Grenier is wearing an 'A' and had a goal last night in a 4-1 win over Bathurst.
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Posted 28 August 2011 - 11:27 AM

Grenier is wearing an 'A' and had a goal last night in a 4-1 win over Bathurst.

When did he get traded to Halifax? I must have missed that.

So he's definitely not playing on the Wolves then I guess.

Edit: A player has to be 20 years old before the season starts to be eligible to play in the AHL I think. So I guess the fact that the QMJHL season has already started before his birthday in September, means it's a no go.

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Posted 28 August 2011 - 12:47 PM

When did he get traded to Halifax? I must have missed that.

So he's definitely not playing on the Wolves then I guess.

Edit: A player has to be 20 years old before the season starts to be eligible to play in the AHL I think. So I guess the fact that the QMJHL season has already started before his birthday in September, means it's a no go.

they have to be 20 by dec 31st of that season's year (not by the beginning of the season) if he was drafted from the CHL. Grenier could have played in the AHL this season, but that obviously wasn't in the cards.
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Posted 03 September 2011 - 08:55 AM

Alex ain't letting up in preseason play:

Sep 02, 2011 Moose win 5-3 over Wildcats
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The Halifax Mooseheads kept their strong pre-season play going with a 5-3 win Friday night in Moncton over the Wildcats. The win is the Mooseheads 5th in the pre-season in as many games. They'll look to go unbeaten in the pre-season tomorrow with a victory over the Wildcats at the Halifax Forum.



In Moncton, Alex Grenier and Marty Frk led the way with 2 goals a piece. Cameron Critchlow added a single. Luca Ciampini, Matt Boudreau and Brent Andrews all added 2 assists. Rookie Zach Fucale picked up the win with 15 saves. The Herd outshot the Cats 34-18, including 28-8 over the final 2 periods.


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Posted 03 September 2011 - 09:14 AM

When did he get traded to Halifax? I must have missed that.

So he's definitely not playing on the Wolves then I guess.


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Posted 03 September 2011 - 01:41 PM

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Somehow 9 goals and 15 assists does not add up to 28 points
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Posted 03 September 2011 - 05:29 PM

2011 preseason:

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	4	4	1	5	+1	4	3	0	1.25	1.00	12	10	0/1

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Posted 03 September 2011 - 05:56 PM

2011 preseason:

	GP	G	A	PTS	+/-	PIM	PPG	SHG	Pt/G	PIMPG	S	DS	WFO/FO
	4	4	1	5	+1	4	3	0	1.25	1.00	12	10	0/1

Those numbers look solid. Hope he is bulking up, using his size to his advantage and taking a leadership role.


But the real question: Is Grenier on MacKinnon's line is what I really want to know...
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Posted 03 September 2011 - 07:54 PM

Hope he is bulking up, using his size to his advantage and taking a leadership role.


But the real question: Is Grenier on MacKinnon's line is what I really want to know...


Alex was wearing an 'A' last game.

Alex and Nathan are both right wingers.
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Posted 03 September 2011 - 07:57 PM

But the real question: Is Grenier on MacKinnon's line is what I really want to know...


Nathan assisted on Alexandre's PP goal so they are seeing some time together,FWIW.
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Posted 03 September 2011 - 08:33 PM

I was under the impression that Nathan is a center, hence the Crosby comparisons.

And playing on the PP together does not mean playing 5 on 5 together.

Thanks for your info on the PP goal though.
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Posted 03 September 2011 - 08:55 PM

I was under the impression that Nathan is a center, hence the Crosby comparisons.

And playing on the PP together does not mean playing 5 on 5 together.

Thanks for your info on the PP goal though.

he's listed as a RW on the scoresheet, and he was in the starting lineup tonight, along with Gabriel Desjardins and Brent Andrews, both of whom are listed as LW, so who knows. all i know is that it doesn't look like he's playing 5 on 5 with MacKinnon. http://en.lhjmq.qc.c...show/game/60870

though it could just be the preseason shuffle, as their first game he was in the starting lineup with Matthew Boudreau and Luca Ciampini. http://en.lhjmq.qc.c...show/game/60836

in fact looking back at the scoresheets it seems to be a random assortment of players in the starting lineup, so i wouldn't read anything into that right now. once the regular season hits we'll see how it goes.
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