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Posted 15 November 2011 - 10:54 PM

7G, 11A for 18 points in 17 games this year. Not sure but I think he's playing 2nd line RW, but also with MacKinnon on the top PP.
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Posted 16 November 2011 - 01:04 AM

Hope he does well, and he develops fast. We need a big, physical winger with some skill.
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Posted 16 November 2011 - 05:44 PM

I was just looking at his stats on the Halifax Mooseheads site and it looks like he had 16 P 8 G 8 A in last years playoffs. Our first 3 picks last draft are all playoff performers, which is awesome, Jensen having 11 P in 10 games and Honzik being absolutely amazing in net for the Tigres. Bright future ahead for the Canucks.
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Posted 04 December 2011 - 02:36 PM

Grenier seems to be picking it up. Seen he had 20 points in 20 games, he now has 28 points in 25 games for the Halifax Moosehead.
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Posted 05 December 2011 - 04:35 PM

6'5, 200 pounds, and more than a ppg in his second year of junior. Not bad at all!
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Posted 05 December 2011 - 11:08 PM

6'5, 200 pounds, and more than a ppg in his second year of junior. Not bad at all!

Yes, it's his 2nd season in junior, but he's also an overager--meaning that he's a 20 year old 6'5" 200lb man playing in a league for 16-19 year olds.
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Posted 06 December 2011 - 12:28 AM

Yes, it's his 2nd season in junior, but he's also an overager--meaning that he's a 20 year old 6'5" 200lb man playing in a league for 16-19 year olds.

Exactly. And it's going to be a tough call whether to offer him a contract or not with those kind of numbers all things considered.
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Posted 06 December 2011 - 07:21 AM

Exactly. And it's going to be a tough call whether to offer him a contract or not with those kind of numbers all things considered.

it's not that tough.
MG: hey Grenier, you want a league minimum contract to play in the AHL and continue developing?
AG: Sure.

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Posted 07 December 2011 - 06:43 AM

it's not that tough.
MG: hey Grenier, you want a league minimum contract to play in the AHL and continue developing?
AG: Sure.

tada!


I was under the impression that there was a maximum number of players that an org could have under contract at any one time under the CBA and that given that , it might not be wise to have 12 players under contract in Kalamazoo.

I stand corrected, I guess.
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Posted 07 December 2011 - 07:16 AM

I was under the impression that there was a maximum number of players that an org could have under contract at any one time under the CBA and that given that , it might not be wise to have 12 players under contract in Kalamazoo.

I stand corrected, I guess.

we have a lot of contracts coming off the books this season, and only 2 players in kalamazoo (ECHL, not AHL). I'm not sure how you would think this would max out our contracts...
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Posted 07 December 2011 - 05:39 PM

we have a lot of contracts coming off the books this season, and only 2 players in kalamazoo (ECHL, not AHL). I'm not sure how you would think this would max out our contracts...


Yeah but when you combine the likes of Schnieder, Tochkin, Achibald, Grenier, Erixon, Anthony, Andersson and maybe Freisen all potentially in Kalamazoo it does begin to cramp your ability to sign the likes of a Nathan Longpre when he comes along.

All I'm saying is that I think Gillis is signing an awful lot of ECHL fodder.
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Posted 07 December 2011 - 08:15 PM

Yeah but when you combine the likes of Schnieder, Tochkin, Achibald, Grenier, Erixon, Anthony, Andersson and maybe Freisen all potentially in Kalamazoo it does begin to cramp your ability to sign the likes of a Nathan Longpre when he comes along.

All I'm saying is that I think Gillis is signing an awful lot of ECHL fodder.

well you and i obviously disagree on the talent level of our prospects, and longpre could be signed at any time if we want him.
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Posted 07 December 2011 - 11:51 PM

Yeah but when you combine the likes of Schnieder, Tochkin, Achibald, Grenier, Erixon, Anthony, Andersson and maybe Freisen all potentially in Kalamazoo it does begin to cramp your ability to sign the likes of a Nathan Longpre when he comes along.

All I'm saying is that I think Gillis is signing an awful lot of ECHL fodder.

Think a prospect isn't panning out? Waive and buy him out if he doesn't get claimed. Done. One more contract spot available.
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Posted 08 December 2011 - 01:17 AM

Think a prospect isn't panning out? Waive and buy him out if he doesn't get claimed. Done. One more contract spot available.


I didn't know that the CBA allowed for the waiving and buying out of players on entry level deals playing in the low minors.

If so, then problem solved I guess.
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Posted 08 December 2011 - 11:12 PM

I didn't know that the CBA allowed for the waiving and buying out of players on entry level deals playing in the low minors.

If so, then problem solved I guess.

Havn't seen anything in the CBA preventing the buying out players who have entry level bonuses. I don't think it's done a lot, because the general evaluation of a prospect takes ~5 years on average from 1st eligible draft year and 1st contracts are usually 2-3 years in length. Even then, another team may be willing to take a shot at developing the player.
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Posted 09 December 2011 - 01:14 PM

Some highlights from a month ago, but saw that they weren't posted. A couple of nice setups by Grenier:

http://www.youtube.c...95fAUN4#t=1m05s

http://www.youtube.c...95fAUN4#t=2m09s
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Posted 16 December 2011 - 01:47 AM

Havn't seen anything in the CBA preventing the buying out players who have entry level bonuses. I don't think it's done a lot, because the general evaluation of a prospect takes ~5 years on average from 1st eligible draft year and 1st contracts are usually 2-3 years in length. Even then, another team may be willing to take a shot at developing the player.


Yeah it's weird though 'cos usually when you see NHL teams buy out players part of their cap hit still counts for a while after... would it be the same for a prospect on an ELC despite never having had his cap hit actually count?
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Posted 16 December 2011 - 03:01 AM

Yeah it's weird though 'cos usually when you see NHL teams buy out players part of their cap hit still counts for a while after... would it be the same for a prospect on an ELC despite never having had his cap hit actually count?


I could be completely wrong, but I believe that even in that case the buy out would cause it to be against the cap. There are no exceptions.
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Posted 16 December 2011 - 03:38 AM

I could be completely wrong, but I believe that even in that case the buy out would cause it to be against the cap. There are no exceptions.


That sucks. Say we bought out Tochkin or some other bad contract, it'd be hella annoying to have their cap hit count even if they never played a game in the bigs.
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Posted 17 December 2011 - 05:39 AM

LOL French players suck??

Tell that to Bergeron, Lecavlier(sp?), St.louis, Broduer, and countless, COUNTLESS other stars

Burrows?
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Posted 19 December 2011 - 07:38 PM

Yes, it's his 2nd season in junior, but he's also an overager--meaning that he's a 20 year old 6'5" 200lb man playing in a league for 16-19 year olds.


Well lets just be grateful he's putting up positive numbers. Just because he's an "overage" it doesn't mean you have to dominate or else your a nothing. I think his progress is positive, and besides that, 80% of these "overages" are not dominating the leauge,
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Posted 20 December 2011 - 01:58 AM

Well lets just be grateful he's putting up positive numbers. Just because he's an "overage" it doesn't mean you have to dominate or else your a nothing. I think his progress is positive, and besides that, 80% of these "overages" are not dominating the leauge,


Just the fact that he's producing at higher than a point-per-game pace in his 2nd full year in the Q is a good thing. I don't think he has to flat out dominate to have a chance, but if he learns to play a solid defensive game plus PK, as well as throwing in some physicality in there to go with his skill and skating we'd have a very useful player on our hands regardless.
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Posted 20 December 2011 - 02:36 PM

That sucks. Say we bought out Tochkin or some other bad contract, it'd be hella annoying to have their cap hit count even if they never played a game in the bigs.

The hit wouldn't be much. For any player under 26, it's 1/3 of their remaining cap hit for double the length. If we were to buy out Tochkin's contract, as per your example, at the end of the season, his remaining salary would be $1.05M over 2 years. The Canucks would then take a cap penalty of $0.175M/year for 4 years.

You're also forgetting that the Canucks don't need to sign him to a contract for him to play in the AHL next season. With a 3rd year eligible draftee like Grenier, the Canucks can choose not to sign him and Grenier can sign an Amateur Try-Out Contract with an AHL club in the pre-season. If he makes the AHL club, he can spend up to 2 seasons on an ATO basis with that club before the Canucks would need to sign him to an NHL contract or lose his rights. Unfortunately for Grenier, it means he only gets the $10,000/year cheque from the Canucks and no income from actually playing in the AHL, so it's a pretty crappy deal for him.


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Posted 20 December 2011 - 06:01 PM

The hit wouldn't be much. For any player under 26, it's 1/3 of their remaining cap hit for double the length. If we were to buy out Tochkin's contract, as per your example, at the end of the season, his remaining salary would be $1.05M over 2 years. The Canucks would then take a cap penalty of $0.175M/year for 4 years.

You're also forgetting that the Canucks don't need to sign him to a contract for him to play in the AHL next season. With a 3rd year eligible draftee like Grenier, the Canucks can choose not to sign him and Grenier can sign an Amateur Try-Out Contract with an AHL club in the pre-season. If he makes the AHL club, he can spend up to 2 seasons on an ATO basis with that club before the Canucks would need to sign him to an NHL contract or lose his rights. Unfortunately for Grenier, it means he only gets the $10,000/year cheque from the Canucks and no income from actually playing in the AHL, so it's a pretty crappy deal for him.


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Posted 13 January 2012 - 11:15 AM

Grenier up to 41 points in 38 games in his 2nd year of junior as an overager. Is a big boy at 6'04.
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Posted 13 January 2012 - 11:40 AM

Mooseheads are on sportsnet tonight @ 4:00pm pst.
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Kassian.... Taylor Pyatt 3.0

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Posted 13 January 2012 - 07:24 PM

I'm watching this Friday night CHL game on Sportsnet.

Alexandre Grenier just scored, overpowered the defensemen 1 on 1. I hope he can make the roster next year, he's already 20 and has the size we need for a forward.
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Posted 13 January 2012 - 07:25 PM

Grenier just scored a beauty on a slick power move. Kid never even played Junior AAA. He made it last year in December and got drafted after a half length rookie season. He seems like a great pickup. :D
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Posted 13 January 2012 - 07:34 PM

He's drawn two penalties and protects the puck fairly well. Very good skater, not just for his size either. His linemates (Drouin #27 & Boudreau #57) weren't helping him out very much at all, however.
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Kassian.... Taylor Pyatt 3.0

Lies. He's more of a Steve Bernier. Hopefully his talent level goes up so he can become like a Taylor Pyatt.


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Posted 14 January 2012 - 12:38 PM

A late draftee like this doesn't really have to dominate. Optimistically, he projects as a big bodied bottom 6 forward. PPG is fine as long as he does all the other things the club covets. Folks mentioned him skating well and protecting the puck. Now its just about sound positioning, willingness to pay the price and, most especially, compete level and work ethic. Not a fighter, I know, but does he at least stick up for his teammates in melees, etc.? Perhaps someone who follows his club can answer that.

3rd round picks have a single % digit chance of making the show. Still, if he consistently delivers on the above, then, as I've said before, he may be in a Nuck uni sooner (and could stick for longer) than the likes of Schroeder and Rodin, one-dimensional guys that should have shown more based on their ranking/draft selection.

We have the Bruins to thank for making beef be the "it" thing once again. Mercifully MG caught on just in time for last year's draft.



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