RUPERTKBD Posted July 28, 2011 Share Posted July 28, 2011 No, I never ignored that fact that it's a team game (I've been playing hockey since I was 5 years old so it's impossible for me to ignore) but I see you also are conveniently avoiding the very fact that you're trying to respond to! By saying that AV isn't going to be fired, you are not coming off as a genius. He CAN'T be fired now unless there is some major internal calamity. Even the ones who say he should be fired realize that he won't be. Get with the program! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wh!stler R!der Posted July 28, 2011 Share Posted July 28, 2011 Yet we have already seen a bunch of the Anti-AV clown posse saying "See?! I told you we'd never win a Cup with AV! I was right!" And in those other years, we lost to a higher seed. So what's your point? No. He doesn't have a source. He never does. Bear in mind that Zippy is the same person who stated as a categorical fact, that Brian Burke came down from the GM's box and told his players to "get" Steve Moore". He didn't say that he heard it, or that there was a rumour. He said that it happened. End of story. This guy has a long history of pulling hearsay out of his ass. This was a change in attitude for the entire team, which was mandated at the beginning of the season by Mike Gillis. Try and keep up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RUPERTKBD Posted July 28, 2011 Share Posted July 28, 2011 Correction we lost to a higher seed in the 2010 season when the hawks were #2 seed and we were the #3 seed, however in the 2009 season we lost to a lower seed. We were #3 seed and the hawks were the #4 seed. In 2007 we lost to a higher seed #2 Ducks V.S us #3. This past year we were #1 and we lost to the #3 east seed. So we have lost to a higher seed 2 of four playoff years that AV has been coach. We missed the playoffs in 2008. Just making sure you have your facts straight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wh!stler R!der Posted July 28, 2011 Share Posted July 28, 2011 Sorry. What I meant to say was that we lost to a team that had more points than we did in '09 (and in a much tougher division). I stand corrected, I suppose..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
resdog Posted July 28, 2011 Share Posted July 28, 2011 I think it's the fact that when the team plays poorly and is losing, AV sulks in front of the media. He is not able to speak about the problems which is annoying. He gives one word answers that aren't very informative and lets his ego come in the way. These are professional athletes, no need to coddle them when things get rough. And have you never gotten annoyed when the ref makes a terrible call against the Canucks and the camera pans to AV and all he does is smirk. Ughh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RUPERTKBD Posted July 28, 2011 Share Posted July 28, 2011 You are correct about losing to a higher seed 2 of the 3 division championships aside from losing to the Hawks in 2009. I get what you are saying though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D-Money Posted July 28, 2011 Share Posted July 28, 2011 Yes - shame on AV for not building a team on Ballard and Hodgson's exceptionally strong backs. You can question AV's actions all you like, but the proof is in the pudding. - Ability to win? We were within a game of winning EVERYTHING. - Ability to develop talent? Sedins and Kesler have been developed into the toast of the league. A 5th rounder with a penchant for freak injuries and an undrafted ECHL-er have been developed into exceptional key players. - Ability to work new veterans into the team? Samuelsson and Ehrhoff took their games and outputs to levels no one thought possible as soon as they started playing for AV. Just because Ballard hasn't fit into the scheme of things yet, doesn't mean that the problem is with AV. His overwhelming successes didn't just happen by accident. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoneypuckOverlord Posted July 28, 2011 Share Posted July 28, 2011 Mike Gillis is a gm that will only fire the coach after the end of a season, not during one. If we get ousted in the 1st round, then we talk new coach. That being said if that doesn't happen, expect A.V to be back in 2013 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Light Racicot Posted July 28, 2011 Share Posted July 28, 2011 newell brown runs the power play...linden said that AV is a great coach....i guess we shouldn't listen to him or gillis anymore...their hockey knowledge isn't near as good as ours...too many people here are rapped up in their own importance...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry_Wilkins Posted July 28, 2011 Share Posted July 28, 2011 Coming off his most successful season as a head coach, Alain Vigneault probably isn't expecting to be fired any time soon. But as reality sets in this fall, watch for the Canucks coach to get terminated as early as November. Why are the odds stacked against a man who brought the Canucks to within one game of the ultimate prize, not to mention the club's first ever President's Trophy? He will soon become a victim of his own success: • The Canucks traditionally have slow starts to the season. After last spring's post season, there will be high expectations and low amounts of patience should the Canucks come out of the gates in their normal 0.500 fashion • Teams will be paying special attention to the Canucks, given the team's regular and post-season track records last year By about the 20-game mark, in this hockey-crazed market, if the Canucks aren't within the top eight seeds in their conference, Alain Vigneault will become extremely expendable by fans, media, and management. While he has broken countless coaching records in his tenure with the club since his debut in 2006/07, Alain has also had his moments of controversy, that, when compiled over six years, gives more incentive to bring fresh perspectives behind the bench. Reasons Alain's departure will appeal to fans, media and management: Rocky relationships: While Alain's personality has blended in a complimentary fashion with several Canucks, he has also created tension among a select few who would benefit under a new head coach. In particular, Keith Ballard, who has the potential to be a cornerstone of the Canucks' defence, has yet to have the confidence instilled in him by his head coach. Cody Hodgson is another potential franchise player who has been used so sparingly when called up that he no doubt questions the coach's confidence in his abilities. New approaches: We've seen several Canucks blossom into stars during Vigneault's term, in large part to how he has afforded them opportunities to grow. But some may say he has also stifled key players in the particular roles he lays out for them. For instance, if the referees call a one-sided game against the Canucks, the Sedins ride the pine for too long. A new coach would mean a new approach using existing players. Addressing overprized favourites: Aaron Rome. Do I really need to say more on that? The Linden factor: While he would never admit it, Trevor Linden is not interested in having a role with the Canucks organization while Alain Vigneault is associated with the club. Trevor will speak highly of Alain when asked about his coaching abilities, but resentment persists in Trevor towards a coach who refused to play him for any length of time, despite his proven worth and continued ability to play a strong role on the team. Below the surface of his class and dignity, his dissatisfaction with the coach ultimately led him to retire two seasons before he wanted to – and he only announced his retirement once he was sure Alain wasn't being fired, in June, 2008, well after the Canucks finished their season, a season that saw Trevor as a healthy scratch for 24 games. If Alain is terminated, it opens up new windows of opportunity in having Trevor Linden a member of the organization, in some capacity. My prediction: look for Alain Vigneault's departure by the last week of November. Not that I didn't think he did a great job in many aspects, but I have a feeling his end with the Canucks is much closer than most think. Thoughts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry_Wilkins Posted July 28, 2011 Share Posted July 28, 2011 I've heard lots of referees talk about coaches they didn't like...usually that list is the most vocal of coaches. I'll take someone who addresses the refs in private, before the next period starts, rather than one that tries to embarrass them by yelling at them. All that does is p!ss the ref off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clonedanielsedin Posted July 28, 2011 Share Posted July 28, 2011 AV drives a Prius Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry_Wilkins Posted July 28, 2011 Share Posted July 28, 2011 A.V. was coaching for a President's Trophy with the way he overplayed many of the stars. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EmployeeoftheMonth Posted July 28, 2011 Share Posted July 28, 2011 So you're not from Vancouver. then? (Me neither) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skyfall Posted July 28, 2011 Share Posted July 28, 2011 AV drives a Prius Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted July 28, 2011 Share Posted July 28, 2011 AV is a great coach...during the regular season where we play a different team each night. In a 7-game chess match, we've seen him have serious problems on numerous occasions. Linden also said that Mike Keenan was not a good coach...Mike Keenan has been to the Finals three times and has won a Stanley Cup. He is an excellent coach/strategist, especially in the playoffs but the problem is that he is way too much of a jacka$$ and people lose respect for him very quickly as a result. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aquiace Posted July 28, 2011 Share Posted July 28, 2011 AV is a good coach. He's not a great coach, nor is he a destroyer of teams. Every coach has a style and system of his own and ours happens to have one that many people hate, but gets results that many people love. We're divided between what he does and how he gets it done. Surely any coach that leads a team to the SCF has merits, but any coach that falters the way we did in that series in the face of being the overwhelming favorites also has problems. No one can take away his achievements any more than we can absolve his transgressions. Let's face the facts. He has earned the remainder of his contract and will most likely have many more years coaching in the NHL with what happened last season. Unless he loses 75% of games before Christmas, he won't be going anywhere. Whether you approve or not, that's the way it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarthNinja Posted July 28, 2011 Share Posted July 28, 2011 In all my years I've never heard anyone refer to Keenan as a master strategist. He's a task master who gets players to perform out of fear. I know several players who played for him, and none of them hail his strategic abilities. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aquiace Posted July 28, 2011 Share Posted July 28, 2011 I wasn't suggesting he is/was a "master" strategist and for today's game I'm not sure he is even suitable. During the era where he took three different teams to the SCF (including the Flyers twice) and won once; he was a great tactician both with X's/O's as well as with his own team psychologically. Part of his act with his own players in and of itself a strategy. Players like Mark Howe for example have referred to Mike Keenan as a great tactician who is full of psychological ploys. Some players call him out for motivating by "fear" but this rarely works well for any boss and more often than not results in failure. On the other hand, players like Jeremy Roenick credit Keenan when they went on to describe accomplishments throughout their careers. Some players/people who dislike or have disdain for IM simply do not look past that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest gumballthechewy Posted July 28, 2011 Share Posted July 28, 2011 All this talk about Trevor Linden, would he have helped or not? I don't know about you, but if Trevor Flipping Linden came into the back before game 7 SCF and gave a speech I would be sooo pumped! If that would have helped or not.... we will never know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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