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#1291 GLASSJAW

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Posted 24 August 2012 - 09:43 PM

Just watched the arsenal - sunderland match up from last week. poor result for arse, good for sunderland.

Cazorla sure looked impressive, though.
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Posted 24 August 2012 - 10:13 PM

anyone know if Van Persie will start tomorrow for United?
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Posted 25 August 2012 - 12:00 AM

anyone know if Van Persie will start tomorrow for United?


I would imagine he would, good chance that Buttner will too with Evra and Vidic at centre back, Rafa at right back.

I reckon something like

DDG, Rafa, Vidic, Evra, Buttner, Valencia, Carrick, Kagawa, Young, RVP, Rooney

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Posted Yesterday, 09:07 AM

It's not 7.5 per year, Kesler's at 5 million and Malhotra's at 2.5 million

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Posted 25 August 2012 - 01:53 AM

Any indications of KSY leaving Celtic? He's running out of time, and I'd rather he didn't waste away there, especially if he could be playing first team minutes in the Premier League.

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Posted 25 August 2012 - 10:03 AM

another dodgy penalty for chelsea at home. something has to be done, retrospective punishment, Torres blatantly dived
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Posted Yesterday, 09:07 AM

It's not 7.5 per year, Kesler's at 5 million and Malhotra's at 2.5 million

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Posted 25 August 2012 - 10:24 AM

another dodgy penalty for chelsea at home. something has to be done, retrospective punishment, Torres blatantly dived


He got what he deserved earlier for the dive with a booking for decent. Do any clubs get more penalties at home than Chelsea and Man U?

Pretty sweet outside-of-the-foot bender by Torres to make it 2-0.

Just showed a replay of the Torres "dive". Turned out there was not just one contact but two by the Newcastle defender. Dowd got it right!

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Posted 25 August 2012 - 10:30 AM

He got what he deserved earlier for the dive with a booking for decent. Do any clubs get more penalties at home than Chelsea and Man U?

Pretty sweet outside-of-the-foot bender by Torres to make it 2-0.

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have a look at the Premier league stats for penalties awarded and conceded, you will be surprised about Uniteds +/- Chelsea have had 3 in 3 games.

Torres has blatantly dived 3 times in the first half so is very very lucky to still be on the park. Had he been booked for the "penalty" like he should have been, different game altogether. He is certainly carrying on where Drogba left off. Biggest cheats in the game. Worst club from top to bottom with fans to match
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Posted Yesterday, 09:07 AM

It's not 7.5 per year, Kesler's at 5 million and Malhotra's at 2.5 million

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Posted 25 August 2012 - 11:24 AM

have a look at the Premier league stats for penalties awarded and conceded, you will be surprised about Uniteds +/- Chelsea have had 3 in 3 games.

Torres has blatantly dived 3 times in the first half so is very very lucky to still be on the park. Had he been booked for the "penalty" like he should have been, different game altogether. He is certainly carrying on where Drogba left off. Biggest cheats in the game. Worst club from top to bottom with fans to match


Some interesting numbers here over the last decade, top bananas...


On The Spot: Premier League Penalty Stats

Penalties have always been an issue in football, with so many given and so many not, so many scored and so many missed. Penalties are, for many the scourge of the game, with fans all having their own points of view of what should be and what shouldn’t.

Referees of course are key; they are the decision makers, although we all know they get plenty of assistance from the players, the fans and sometimes even from their assistants on the touchlines.
Most pundits however agree that what goes around comes around and that penalties even out over a course of a season but do they?
The following list is made up from those teams who have spent the last decade in the Premier League, along with penalties awarded and conceded during that time. In some cases it completely contradicts the belief that penalties balance out, particularly for teams who have, shall we say, been a regular top five or six team during that period.
Not too surprisingly is the fact that Manchester United lead the way in terms of the differential between those awarded and those conceded. Up until February 2nd this year, the ‘Red Devils’ had been awarded 52 penalties and conceded only 26, and they were given two more last weekend in their 3-3 draw against Chelsea.
It is the Blues in fact that come next with 52 awarded and 25 conceded, although that of course should be 27 conceded after the ‘United’ game. Liverpool come next with a differential of 20 while Arsenal are fourth placed with a difference of 18.


The thing about these numbers, though, is that good (Man U, Blues, Reds) teams play more in the other team's box, therefore, more penalties for and less against.
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Posted 25 August 2012 - 03:51 PM

Maybe The Hoops have their striker in Watt after all! And... Wanyama! I wish the Reds signed him. :angry:

Great match until the two late ones. 7 / 9 to start the year is Pretty nice, though.

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Posted 25 August 2012 - 04:08 PM

Any indications of KSY leaving Celtic? He's running out of time, and I'd rather he didn't waste away there, especially if he could be playing first team minutes in the Premier League.

No offence against Scotland. :)


He's left. Swansea. Might as well cash in on a player who wasn't getting games for the club.

And yeah, lof. Decent performance by a second string team really.
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Posted 25 August 2012 - 10:31 PM

An early test for Chelsea and was well played. I didn't think it was a dive by Torres, but it was a matter of time anyways for Chelsea to strike first against a Newcastle side that was simply outclassed. Superb job by Cahill to keeping the two-head Newcastle monsters in check all match long, I find a David Luiz and Gary Cahill tandem has more swagger than Terry and Gary Cahill. Still early, but Swansea looks like they got something special going and Michu could be another superb summer signing along the lines with Hazard. I follow a bit of La Liga as well and thought Michu was very underrated, he keeps it up and should get a call up by Spain. Another shakey performance by Man Utd and this was against a Dempsey-less Fulham! Should be no excuses for Man Utd especially after a light weight trophy-less last season, so therefore no hangovers, plus the major signings over the summer. Midfield is atrocious with the current players in there, no sync and fluid at all and Fergie is too arrogant to address it with the transfer window closing soon. But lucky for the Scums, they got a easy schedule for the next 6 rounds before they get Chelsea and Arsenal back-to-back.
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Posted 26 August 2012 - 12:30 AM

An early test for Chelsea and was well played. I didn't think it was a dive by Torres, but it was a matter of time anyways for Chelsea to strike first against a Newcastle side that was simply outclassed. Superb job by Cahill to keeping the two-head Newcastle monsters in check all match long, I find a David Luiz and Gary Cahill tandem has more swagger than Terry and Gary Cahill. Still early, but Swansea looks like they got something special going and Michu could be another superb summer signing along the lines with Hazard. I follow a bit of La Liga as well and thought Michu was very underrated, he keeps it up and should get a call up by Spain. Another shakey performance by Man Utd and this was against a Dempsey-less Fulham! Should be no excuses for Man Utd especially after a light weight trophy-less last season, so therefore no hangovers, plus the major signings over the summer. Midfield is atrocious with the current players in there, no sync and fluid at all and Fergie is too arrogant to address it with the transfer window closing soon. But lucky for the Scums, they got a easy schedule for the next 6 rounds before they get Chelsea and Arsenal back-to-back.


:lol: :lol: you played against a team who played an away European match 48 hours before so pipe down rent boy. Torres is a cheat, a part of his game he never had before he went south. I seem to remember Chelsea starting the last couple of seasons winning 6-0 or something like that and thumping teams in the first 2 or 3 games, served you well in the league that. Chelsea will not be within 10 points of United or City at the end of the season.

Once we have Jones, Smalling, Evans, Ferdinand back and we get Carrick back in to midfield we will be fine.
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Posted Yesterday, 09:07 AM

It's not 7.5 per year, Kesler's at 5 million and Malhotra's at 2.5 million

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Posted 26 August 2012 - 12:49 AM

Newcastle fielded a B squad in their Europa fixture, try again Scum supporter.

And Carrick? LOL............. was not even good enough for England, jog on my son

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Posted 26 August 2012 - 10:04 AM

Best game of the young season in the EPL, so far. Reds unlucky not to have 3 points today. Both City goals gifted to them but it's not like they didn't have chances that they created on their own, too. A fair result, I'd say and certainly a huge improvement over the West Brom debacle.

I'm not sure how much more time Gerrard has as an "impact" player. He seems out of sorts so far this year and spends most of his time holding, it seems. Shelvey and The Wee, Young Boy (except on the Toure goal) didn't look out of place. Skrtel with a World Class header and a World Class blunder.

Also, congrats to Andre Mariner for calling a good match. The only question for me, after looking at about 20 replays, is was Johnson caught for a penalty by Kolorov? I think so, but, doesn't matter.

Great match!

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Posted 26 August 2012 - 04:23 PM

It was a fun match to watch, but poor defense/decision making led to all the goals.
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Posted 27 August 2012 - 03:16 PM

Was just reading a few articles from ages ago, and thought it would be interesting to look at TV payments to premier league teams.

Arsenal - £56,223,505
Aston Villa - £42,104,709
Blackburn Rovers - £40,317,633
Bolton Wanderers - £40,594,585
Chelsea - £54,436,429
Everton - £48,900,267
Fulham - £47,390,143
Liverpool - £54,360,635
Manchester City - £60,602,289
Manchester United - £60,325,337
Newcastle United - £54,235,271
Norwich City - £45,603,067
QPR - £43,262,087
Stoke City - £43,614,833
Sunderland - £44,369,895
Swansea City - £45,880,019
Tottenham Hotspur - £57,380,883
West Brom - £46,635,081
Wigan Athletic - £42,859,771
Wolves - £39,084,461

Championship teams receiving parachute payments
Birmingham City - £15,475,005
Blackpool - £15,475,005
Burnley - £12,219,732
Hull City - £12,219,732
Middlesbrough - £4,081,548
Portsmouth - £12,219,732
West Ham United - £15,475,000


How can anyone compete with that? And with the deal getting bigger from next season the balance in power within football is just going to increase in favour of the EPL. The smaller leagues are completely screwed. I mean, Celtic are a relatively "big" club in football, but we get under £2 million.
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Posted 27 August 2012 - 05:31 PM

Was just reading a few articles from ages ago, and thought it would be interesting to look at TV payments to premier league teams.

Arsenal - £56,223,505
Aston Villa - £42,104,709
Blackburn Rovers - £40,317,633
Bolton Wanderers - £40,594,585
Chelsea - £54,436,429
Everton - £48,900,267
Fulham - £47,390,143
Liverpool - £54,360,635
Manchester City - £60,602,289
Manchester United - £60,325,337
Newcastle United - £54,235,271
Norwich City - £45,603,067
QPR - £43,262,087
Stoke City - £43,614,833
Sunderland - £44,369,895
Swansea City - £45,880,019
Tottenham Hotspur - £57,380,883
West Brom - £46,635,081
Wigan Athletic - £42,859,771
Wolves - £39,084,461

Championship teams receiving parachute payments
Birmingham City - £15,475,005
Blackpool - £15,475,005
Burnley - £12,219,732
Hull City - £12,219,732
Middlesbrough - £4,081,548
Portsmouth - £12,219,732
West Ham United - £15,475,000


How can anyone compete with that? And with the deal getting bigger from next season the balance in power within football is just going to increase in favour of the EPL. The smaller leagues are completely screwed. I mean, Celtic are a relatively "big" club in football, but we get under £2 million.


I would NEVER want to see Scottish football collapse, but, maybe it's time they join / amalgamate with the FA? I don't know what the mechanics and details of this happening would be. I do know there has been talk of it many times before even as recent as this summer where the Old Firm was blocked from trying to join the EPL by the bastards at FIFA.

The new SPL TV deal with Sky is for 5 years and $65M. Man U and Man Cit both make almost this much on their own!

What say you, Scottish?

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Posted 28 August 2012 - 12:40 AM

Portsmouth are in league one remember. Anyway, they are in more trouble with money again even with the cash from other clubs.
I don't see the SPL/SFA/FA doing any kind of merger. It would have been interesting if Rangers were booted from the football league if they sought a place in say the northern premier league, or something like that. Would be a fun football manager challenge to get them to the EPL... but I think I would vomit blood if I played any game using them. I certainly don't think any club should be given a free pass to the Football league (league 2) let alone the EPL. What do you think Wrexham (1921-2008) and Newport (1920-1988) etc would think of that as "foreign" clubs in the English football pyramid and they can't get back to the football league. Founding members of the EPL who would probably also take issue.
Coventry City - League 1
Oldham Ath - League 1
Sheffield U - League 1
Sort of part of the first years are also Notts County League 1 and Luton Town Conference National.
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Posted 28 August 2012 - 04:07 PM

I would NEVER want to see Scottish football collapse, but, maybe it's time they join / amalgamate with the FA? I don't know what the mechanics and details of this happening would be. I do know there has been talk of it many times before even as recent as this summer where the Old Firm was blocked from trying to join the EPL by the bastards at FIFA.

The new SPL TV deal with Sky is for 5 years and $65M. Man U and Man Cit both make almost this much on their own!

What say you, Scottish?

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I don't think they will ever be allowed to join the English Leagues. I'd rather stay in Scotland right now to be honest and try to qualify for the CL year after year. If we're successful then we can build on that. Celtic are a selling club right now unfortunately. Buy in cheap and sell for a profit.


Also, Maicosuel's penalty is the perfect example of what an idiot you look if chipping the ball down the middle goes wrong.
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Posted 29 August 2012 - 03:43 AM

Great start to the season for Albion. Thrash Liverpool 3-0, a 1-1 at Spurs, and moving ahead in the league cup. Bring on Everton!
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Posted 29 August 2012 - 01:46 PM

Wanyama is a stud! Celtic into Group Stages of CL! The Hoops did what they had to do to win in very similar style as last week in Sweden. First goal looked to be offside, but, like the Canucks, if you don't score a goal, you can't win so it didn't really matter in the end.

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Posted 29 August 2012 - 02:15 PM

YEEESSSS.


Doing the huddle in the Champions League!
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Posted 29 August 2012 - 02:20 PM

Great start to the season for Albion. Thrash Liverpool 3-0, a 1-1 at Spurs, and moving ahead in the league cup. Bring on Everton!


Agreed, Azzy!

Bring on the other Merseyside side. Biggest "surprise" of the early season, for me.

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Posted 29 August 2012 - 11:05 PM

Anyone watch El Clasico today? Hala Madrid! Great game for the whites. I posted the link to the match highlights. Ridiculous skill from Cristiano to play the ball to himself on his goal, and a perfect free kick from Messi. I really hope there is a Real Mardid/Barca Champions League final.

Match highlights:

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Posted 30 August 2012 - 05:39 AM

Roughly £17m guaranteed to go into the bank already ::D Any performance bonus is....well... a bonus.

I shall be purchasing the three game package when it goes on sale. Hopefully money well spent.
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Posted 30 August 2012 - 07:46 AM

Roughly £17m guaranteed to go into the bank already ::D Any performance bonus is....well... a bonus.

I shall be purchasing the three game package when it goes on sale. Hopefully money well spent.


Here's the question now, Scottish... Bank it and work on debt or make a signing or two? Debt was around $7M in February. Would you pay it off?

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Posted 30 August 2012 - 08:52 AM

Here's the question now, Scottish... Bank it and work on debt or make a signing or two? Debt was around $7M in February. Would you pay it off?

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Well minus the £5m from Ki it is probably just above £2m now. They will pay that off and my guess is bank at least %50 of the £15m left to cover any costs over the next two years. I would assume that will leave Neil with about £7m-£7.5m left for a couple of players.I did read that the sum was more in the £20m range which would be even better.
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Posted 30 August 2012 - 09:44 AM

Champions league groups decided.

Man U make it out easy, as do Chelsea and Barca.

Dortmund, Ajax, Madrid and City in one group shall be entertaining.

http://www.uefa.com/...raws/index.html

Full groups there.

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Posted 30 August 2012 - 10:08 AM

Could Celtic FC have received a worse draw than they did for CL Group Play? Holy sh!t! :shock:

Barca? Benfica? Moscow Spartak? Can you say, "Group Of Death"? Maybe Man City or Juve from Pot C might have been worse, but, my God!

Still... Go, Hoops!

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Posted 30 August 2012 - 10:28 AM

I'd say group D is the toughest. Group B perhaps the weakest.
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