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Posted 14 September 2011 - 12:06 PM

What if I have 50-100 icons? I usually set my icons to tiny let alone having them involentarily made ten times bigger.

When will microsoft stop ****ing with the the ****ing interface and, oh, I don't know, make FUNCTIONAL programs!!!!!!! :frantic:

The tiles is for the Start screen. You can still have your icons on the desktop. The Start screen is basically the Start menu expanded to cover the entire screen.

While the Start screen can be used on the desktop computer, it is more or less intended for use on the tablet.
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Posted 14 September 2011 - 12:10 PM

Windows 8 is an operating system for both tablets and PCs. They've made it possible for a fully fledged operating system to run on a tablet. The Start screen (the tiles) is tailored for tablets, but works with both tablets and PCs.


The thinking behind the tiles is that small icons are just small. How often have you tried on iOS to trying to identify an app visually and then having to read the icon name under?

The tiles are big icons with big text/pictures on it, making it very easy to identify what you're looking for. (But it seems like you don't feel this way, but that was Microsoft's intent)


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Posted 14 September 2011 - 12:12 PM

Windows 8 is an operating system for both tablets and PCs. They've made it possible for a fully fledged operating system to run on a tablet. The Start screen (the tiles) is tailored for tablets, but works with both tablets and PCs.


Fair enough, But this makes me look at it from a different perspective. It still cannot provide the call functions or mobility that a smartphone can. SMS can be replaced by e-mails, so I won't throw that in there. But the interface is alot less efficient than a computer. Less space to work with, and I personally find it more difficult to type on the touchscreen keyboard than a laptop or pc keyboard.

These things just don't seem practical to me. They merge both phones and computers, but leave major flaws in their wake. It seems like more of a gimmick to me than anything else.
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Posted 14 September 2011 - 05:31 PM

Yeap.

Install Windows 8 onto a partition and boot into that partition. I have it on my archaic laptop but it runs great, very optimized for a pre-beta OS.


Just wanted to add that I learned of another way where you can download VMware and launch it through there, haven't tried that yet though.
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Posted 14 September 2011 - 09:03 PM

I still laughed when I saw the Internet Explorer icon. Seriously, what a joke of a web browser. :P


I thought the browser fanboys died out 5 years ago. Web browsers are software appliances. Thats all. They all work. Nobody cares.
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Posted 14 September 2011 - 09:47 PM

I thought the browser fanboys died out 5 years ago. Web browsers are software appliances. Thats all. They all work. Nobody cares.


Some are quite a bit faster/safer than others.
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Posted 15 September 2011 - 11:00 AM

Some are quite a bit faster/safer than others.


Got a nice toaster in the kitchen? I hear some are quite a bit faster/safer than others yet we all get toast.
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Posted 15 September 2011 - 03:09 PM

Got a nice toaster in the kitchen? I hear some are quite a bit faster/safer than others yet we all get toast.


Yes but some people would get their house burnt down with that toast, or miss an important meeting waiting for it to pop.

That is a poor analogy.

Why would you use a less efficient browser, and put your computer at risk when a free, easy and better alternative is readily available?
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Posted 15 September 2011 - 03:53 PM

Yes but some people would get their house burnt down with that toast, or miss an important meeting waiting for it to pop.

That is a poor analogy.

Why would you use a less efficient browser, and put your computer at risk when a free, easy and better alternative is readily available?


The difference in efficiency, safety and reliability between Firefox, IE and chrome is minimal. The only reason IE is attacked more is because it has the largest user base. Particularly casual users who are easily fooled and have minimal security beyond the browser. If the same hackers exploited Firefoxes weak points as attack IE it wouldnt hold up as well.

Im not saying IE is better. I use firefox. But for 99% of the people out there any one of the big three is fine. More people should be concerned with what antivirus protection they are using and what they are accepting to download then expecting their browser to catch it all.
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Posted 15 September 2011 - 04:22 PM

The difference in efficiency, safety and reliability between Firefox, IE and chrome is minimal. The only reason IE is attacked more is because it has the largest user base. Particularly casual users who are easily fooled and have minimal security beyond the browser. If the same hackers exploited Firefoxes weak points as attack IE it wouldnt hold up as well.

Im not saying IE is better. I use firefox.  But for 99% of the people out there any one of the big three is fine. More people should be concerned with what antivirus protection they are using and what they are accepting to download then expecting their browser to catch it all.


I'll agree that the differences are minimal, the point i'm trying to get across is that if there is a better option that is free and easy to install, people would be lazy and irresponsible not to do so.

I'm not saying they should get the optimal browser and ignore virus protection, but why not optomize what you have. Despite the differences being minimal, the time that you spend switching browsers would pale in significance to the accrued time saved on a slightly more efficient one.
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Posted 15 September 2011 - 05:11 PM

I'll agree that the differences are minimal, the point i'm trying to get across is that if there is a better option that is free and easy to install, people would be lazy and irresponsible not to do so.



Heres a prime example of why most dont or wont change: My Mom is on the older side, retired, with slightly limited mobility and spends a lot of time surfing the web. Shes pretty good at it and enjoys it immensely. I tried to get her to switch to Firefox from IE. She had never heard of Firefox, Had no idea other browsers even existed and couldnt figure out how to use it right away. She said she would try to get used to it but when I went back it hadnt been used since I had been there last. The people who use IE dont like change, have a hard time adapting to change or dont even realize there are options. Its the default so its what they use.
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Posted 15 September 2011 - 07:37 PM

I am not putting that on my computer.

Edited by Olool, 15 September 2011 - 07:39 PM.

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Posted 15 September 2011 - 09:52 PM

Heres a prime example of why most dont or wont change: My Mom is on the older side, retired, with slightly limited mobility and spends a lot of time surfing the web. Shes pretty good at it and enjoys it immensely. I tried to get her to switch to Firefox from IE. She had never heard of Firefox, Had no idea other browsers even existed and couldnt figure out how to use it right away. She said she would try to get used to it but when I went back it hadnt been used since I had been there last. The people who use IE dont like change, have a hard time adapting to change or dont even realize there are options. Its the default so its what they use.


I can understand that point of view, and to some people it may not be important. Let me re-phrase what i said before.

If you have any technological knowledge, and rely on internet efficiency, it is beneficial to have the optimal browser. It may not be the most important choice you make in day to day life, but it can make a difference in you're every day operations depending on your computer usage.

I'll pull an example out of my experience. I have a friend who preached google chrome. This friend works in IT, builds his own computers piece by piece. He built my computer (which has surpassed my expectations). At one point I attempted to use IE on his machine. The computer proceeded to freeze. My friend laughed at me and said never to use the browser again.

I'm not sure why it affected his machine the way it did, and i recognize that others use this browser without the same issue; However, I have come to accept that this browser does have flaws. Weather that flaw is the fact that the majority use it and therefore it is more likely to be targeted or that it is more susceptible to infection, is irrelevant. The fact that people are better off with another browser is not.

It is plain and simple that you are better off with an alternative to IE. I agree that it's probably circumstantial due to the majority usage of this browser, but that does not make the point invalid.
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Posted 15 September 2011 - 10:25 PM

Yes but some people would get their house burnt down with that toast, or miss an important meeting waiting for it to pop.

That is a poor analogy.

Why would you use a less efficient browser, and put your computer at risk when a free, easy and better alternative is readily available?

It is funny you should say that, since IE 9 is the safest browser, by quite a margin compared to Chrome, Firefox, when it comes to blockage of socially made malware:

Web Browser Group Test Socially-Engineered Malware Q3 2011

In Q2 of 2011, NSS Labs performed a test of web browser protection against socially-engineered malware targeting users around the globe. This test was in addition to our recent European and Asia-Pacific browser tests.

Socially-engineered malware is a widespread problem, claiming one third of internet users as victims. The use of free browser-based reputation systems to assist in the fight against socially-engineered malware is a strong use of cloud technologies. However, in this global test of socially-engineered malware, we found that not all vendor implementations and daily operations yield the same results.


This NSS Labs report focused on URLs chosen to be of significant threat and followed the same Live Testing methodology as the global tests conducted in Q1 2009, Q3 2009, Q1 2010, and Q3 2010 (www.nsslabs.com/browser-security). For region specific reports, please see our Q2 2011 European and Q3 2011 Asia-Pacific tests, as these two tests used unique infrastructure and data sets specifically concentrating on malware targeting users in these regions.

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Also, with the utilization of GPU power, to accelerate its performance, the way Chrome does it, it is one of the fastestest as well.

I think you are replying on an out of date information. IE9 has been an impressive improvement over the past versions, and it is no longer the inefficient and security prone web browser that it used to be. Does it still have glitches? Yes, but it is not as bad as you make it apppear.
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Posted 15 September 2011 - 10:55 PM

OK, I still dont get tablets other than the pretty screen and desire to have the "in" tech gadget. It does what my phone does without being able to be used as a phone. If I want something with a bigger screen thats portable I have a netbook(which I practically never use) and a laptop( which I use a lot). The laptop does what the tablet does only does it better. Much better. Neither the laptop or tablet fit in my pocket so I have to have a backpack or bag with me for either one so I dont see any advantage in a tablet.

Will Windows 8 new functionality on tablets make them more useful? Yes. Will it make them as useful as a laptop? No. So still no reason to have one. Until a tablet or other device comes along that can do MORE than a laptop in the same price range there should be no interest in the device. But the market doesnt work based on functionality. It works based on emotion so anything goes. Just not for me.
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Posted 15 September 2011 - 11:51 PM

i still hate IE..always wanting me to try msn and such...anyway...i dont think win 8 will win in the corporate world...they'll stick with xp or seven...i mean if youre using a mouse, do you want to drag from page to page just to get to a certain icon you have on the desktop? the concept is definitely there which i like..but seems like it is just a theme or skin on top of win 7... i'm sure someone will make a mock skin/theme sooner or later...oh yeah, what is the cost of the upgrade? this is where windows will lose to apple i think...
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Posted 16 September 2011 - 01:10 AM

..they'll stick with xp or seven..


But Microsoft stopped supporting XP..then later on they will stop supporting 7 and you eventually will start having problems using it or new software wont be compatible. Im still using XP at home. I have win7 at work and like it a lot but have found no real reason to switch to 7 at home yet. It NEVER crashes and I never get hacked and everything I want works flawlessly on it. But still my comps gettin old so Im gonna upgrade my system around Christmas time and will install Win 7 on the new drive then. Im what youd call a late adopter.

My copy of windows XP was an upgrade from 98 which was an upgrade from 95 which was an upgrade from 3.1 which was an upgrade from 3.0 etc etc back to 2.0 in 1988 on a compaq deskpro 386. Some of those OS's were even legal versions ;)
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Posted 16 September 2011 - 06:57 AM

It is funny you should say that, since IE 9 is the safest browser, by quite a margin compared to Chrome, Firefox, when it comes to blockage of socially made malware:


Also, with the utilization of GPU power, to accelerate its performance, the way Chrome does it, it is one of the fastestest as well.

I think you are replying on an out of date information. IE9 has been an impressive improvement over the past versions, and it is no longer the inefficient and security prone web browser that it used to be. Does it still have glitches? Yes, but it is not as bad as you make it apppear.


This is news to me. I will relegate my out of date info to the archives.

I'm looking forward to learning more about this because...

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A new browser could be imminent!
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Posted 16 September 2011 - 11:07 AM

With IE I'd wager a large amount of the security leaks are because a lot of the corporate world, education institutions, and home users are still running XP and IE6 despite it not being supported. Leaves them open for attacks.

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Posted 16 September 2011 - 12:52 PM

Got a nice toaster in the kitchen? I hear some are quite a bit faster/safer than others yet we all get toast.


Hey, Windows 95 still works. How come you aren't using that OS? I hear some are quite a bit faster/safer like Windows 7 yet we all get porn and CDC.
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Posted 16 September 2011 - 01:22 PM

Hey, Windows 95 still works. How come you aren't using that OS? I hear some are quite a bit faster/safer like Windows 7 yet we all get porn and CDC.


Hey welcome late to the discussion. Your comparison of a 15 year old product to new ones is fun but my comparison is of current generation up to date products. Or are you just jumping on the one statement and leaving the rest of the argument out because then you would have realized you actually have nothing to add? Hows that working out for you? Good? Super.
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Posted 16 September 2011 - 01:27 PM

Hey welcome late to the discussion. Your comparison of a 15 year old product to new ones is fun but my comparison is of current generation up to date products. Or are you just jumping on the one statement and leaving the rest of the argument out because then you would have realized you actually have nothing to add? Hows that working out for you? Good? Super.


And my comparison is about the fact that you go with the faster, better and more efficient product whether its old or new is a moot point.
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Posted 04 February 2012 - 10:18 PM

Updated the main post with some info:


The famous Betta fish from the Windows 7 beta was swimming on Bing recently:


Microsoft plans to release the public beta (They're calling it the consumer preview) later this month. This version of windows is expected to have much more functionality than the current developer preview, namely better mouse and keyboard controls.

  • Windows Store: The first and probably the best feature of Windows 8 Beta would be the only source of Metro-Style apps, designed for the convenient usage of individual and corporate users.
  • Metro Style Apps: We would see many metro style apps in Windows 8 Beta which were, previously, in desktop version, e.g. music/video player and image viewer.
  • Improved Metro-UI: The Metro style user interface, aka the start menu, of Windows 8 Beta would get many new changes and features including an option of background changer to allow the users to customize the background of Metro-UI by selecting from a wide range of given colors.
  • Color Selection choice during Installation: Windows 8 Beta would provide users the option to select color for overall interface of Metro-UI where they would, finally, be able to get rid of the green color found in Windows 8 Developer Preview.
  • Semantic Zoom for Mouse users: Semantic Zoom allows the users to name the app groups as well as to see all the apps pinned to Metro-UI by zooming out, neglecting the need to scroll in-order to view the desired apps. This option was previously available only for the touchscreen devices in Windows Developer Preview.
  • Improved Charms Bar: Windows 8 supports a quick launch like pop-menu which appears when you swipe to the right of the screen. That’s where all the necessary options, e.g. search, settings, share etc. can be found which may be a one stop menu for all the necessary options for users. Windows 8 Beta would get some visual improvements, i.e. translucent Charms Bar would appear if the right side of the screen is touched, accidently, and mouse users would also get the Charms Bar on the right side whereas currently it can be accessed by going to the bottom left corner of the screen.
  • Closing of all the Metro apps with just swipe of finger/mouse: Windows 8 Beta would support closing of Metro apps in just a swipe or drag of mouse cursor from the top of the screen to the bottom.


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Posted 05 February 2012 - 12:55 AM

Updated the main post with some info:


The famous Betta fish from the Windows 7 beta was swimming on Bing recently:


Microsoft plans to release the public beta (They're calling it the consumer preview) later this month. This version of windows is expected to have much more functionality than the current developer preview, namely better mouse and keyboard controls.

So us normal folks would be able to download and install to try out?
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Posted 05 February 2012 - 01:01 AM

I remain unconvinced about the new start screen and all that metro-themed garbage. Now I'm hearing they've removed the Start button too... Dumb UI decisions.
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Posted 05 February 2012 - 01:11 AM

If I didn't use my PC for gaming, I'd be using a free Linux OS like Ubuntu. As it is, I have XP.
Been thinking about upgrading to 7 to take advantage of the 64-bit thing that my hardware is mostly compatible to, but since I avoided Vista I can't get an upgrade package from MS and will have to buy a full version instead. I'm not pirating software anymore, but paying over $100 for a freaking OS that I really only need for gaming is ridiculous.
Forget 8, Microsoft, and just lower your stupidly high prices.
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Posted 05 February 2012 - 01:34 AM

The only PC we ever owned used Vista. It really wasn't that bad. I don't own a PC but if I did I would consider Microsoft Windows 8.
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Posted 05 February 2012 - 03:49 AM

Anybody under the age of 50 should have the know how to NOT be using Internet Explorer. If you're over 50 and using IE, I'll let you off the hook and won't insult you, since you're probably senile.

jokes. but srsly, IE is so bad...
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Posted 05 February 2012 - 12:32 PM

So us normal folks would be able to download and install to try out?


Yes. You can try it out right now if you want but it's geared more towards developers.

If I didn't use my PC for gaming, I'd be using a free Linux OS like Ubuntu. As it is, I have XP.
Been thinking about upgrading to 7 to take advantage of the 64-bit thing that my hardware is mostly compatible to, but since I avoided Vista I can't get an upgrade package from MS and will have to buy a full version instead. I'm not pirating software anymore, but paying over $100 for a freaking OS that I really only need for gaming is ridiculous.
Forget 8, Microsoft, and just lower your stupidly high prices.


Unless you have custom written software there really isn't anything XP provides over Win7, even then Win7 has an XP compatibility mode. Plus as a gamer you'd want that DX11.
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Posted 05 February 2012 - 09:31 PM

IMO Tablets are quite useless, they accomplish nothing that my iPhone can't.


Can it stream flash videos? Nope?, so it doesn't accomplish what my playbook accomplishes?
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