Tortorella's Rant Posted January 10, 2013 Share Posted January 10, 2013 Ok I see how it is, Lou our mid pack goalie could win the cup if we had ofencive support to compensate for the fact that he's a mid pack goalie. The only thing that is still confusing me is why we are paying our mid pack goalie like he's a star goalie, the payroll really takes away from the ofencive talent we can sign (with the cap and all). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apollo Posted January 10, 2013 Share Posted January 10, 2013 Do you really think Lou wants to be here anymore? Think he would be happy starting 8 games this season? The guy wants out, read between the lines. No way he is here for more than half the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UFCanuck Posted January 10, 2013 Share Posted January 10, 2013 Yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NuxFan09 Posted January 10, 2013 Share Posted January 10, 2013 He did melt down in the playoffs, but not as much as people think. The truest example I can think of where he melted down and cost the team was, really, the game that started all of this: Game 6 against Chicago in 2009. The team was working its butt off to win the game and kept scoring to go ahead but Luongo just kept letting pucks in. From that game on, two things happened: 1) Luongo did in fact get mentally weaker and unsure of himself 2) Fans, non-fans, the media etc. came up with this notion that he's a playoff choker Luongo isn't exactly infallible in the playoffs either. It's somewhere in the middle. The Blackhawks hurt him mentally all those years the Canucks played them in the playoffs to the point where he, like I mentioned above, he became unsure of himself and was suspect in other series, like the Boston series. In short, the guy isn't a playoff choker by nature. I just think he was mentally damaged, or weakened, and hasn't been able to fully recover. If he has a bad game in the playoffs, it'll likely go downhill for him from there. He needs to have more belief in the hockey player he really is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westcoasting Posted January 10, 2013 Share Posted January 10, 2013 If I was him I would show my middle finger to all these ungrateful fans and tell them to stick it. That being said if he plays 8 games he'll have his job back Cuz he's simply better than Schneider. I just hope he loves the true fans that watched more than just two playoffs games Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cloutier123 Posted January 10, 2013 Share Posted January 10, 2013 Apparently yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canucklehead420 Posted January 10, 2013 Share Posted January 10, 2013 Savard & Horton vs. Hamhuis & Raymond is at best from the Canucks' perspective a neutral trade, with the vast majority (myself included) arguing that Boston's key injuries were much more significant. Check your facts before posting, junior. Injuries weren't the reason AT ALL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canucklehead420 Posted January 10, 2013 Share Posted January 10, 2013 Yeah, the Sedins should've scored 5-9 goals a game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NuxFan09 Posted January 10, 2013 Share Posted January 10, 2013 getting more than 2 goals and 3 assists combined in 7 games would be a start. having to rely on raffi torres and max lappiere to squeak out 1 goal victories suggests we were lucky to make it to 7 games. the sedins are suppoesed to be point a game players or better and they came no where near it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apollo Posted January 10, 2013 Share Posted January 10, 2013 getting more than 2 goals and 3 assists combined in 7 games would be a start. having to rely on raffi torres and max lappiere to squeak out 1 goal victories suggests we were lucky to make it to 7 games. the sedins are suppoesed to be point a game players or better and they came no where near it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bodee Posted January 10, 2013 Share Posted January 10, 2013 And there is more to this than obviously just looking at stats. Such as evaluating the team performance in front of him. A dominant regular season goalie shouldn't struggle like he does in the playoffs without some other factors involved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashian Kassian Posted January 10, 2013 Share Posted January 10, 2013 There's nothing wrong with the odd bad game. The best goalies out there have them. However, the problem is if you have 2 or 3 TERRIBLE games in a single series. Then it doesn't matter if your last series was fantastic, and you had a couple great games in this one - it's a big issue. What would constitute a "terrible game"? How about a .800-or-less save percentage? That is letting a goal in every 5 shots. That is definitely terrible, for playoff goaltending...to have more than one game of it in a series is really hard for a team to overcome. But in our Luongo-led cup run, it happened on two occasions: 2010-11 - Boston Game 3 - .789 Game 4 - .800 Game 6 - .625 2010-11 - Chicago Game 4 - .786 Game 5 - .667 So on our cup run, we had two series where our goalie gave us god-awful, terrible playoff goaltending for more than 1 game. That shouldn't be overlooked, or excused away. Do other great goalies do that? Marty Brodeur has only had 1 series where he didn't save over 80% of the shots in more than one game, and that was in 1998-99 against a stacked Penguins team. There was only 1 game this last playoffs where his save percentage was that low. Then you have to go back to 2002-03 to find another game like that. He had 2 of those games in a full playoff run, but followed each of them up with shutouts. OK, Brodeur is a tough comparison. How about Niemi then? He had 1 game where he had an .800 save percentage in his cup run - and that is it. No meltdowns, no multiple terrible games. He was steady, which gave the Hawks a chance to win every series. (In 2010-11 he had 2 terrible games in San Jose's first series with the Kings.) M.A. Fleury just had 2 against the Flyers (funny how only two of those games were actually sub-.800). But that was the first time in his 75-game playoff career (14 more than Luongo) that he has had more than one game that bad in a series. And yet, everyone and their uncle will freely admit that Fleury had a terrible series and completely melted down. ...But some of those same people will say Lu's melting is overrated? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nino Posted January 10, 2013 Share Posted January 10, 2013 Tell me more about how you were against the cap hit when he signed that contract. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nino Posted January 10, 2013 Share Posted January 10, 2013 There's nothing wrong with the odd bad game. The best goalies out there have them. However, the problem is if you have 2 or 3 TERRIBLE games in a single series. Then it doesn't matter if your last series was fantastic, and you had a couple great games in this one - it's a big issue. What would constitute a "terrible game"? How about a .800-or-less save percentage? That is letting a goal in every 5 shots. That is definitely terrible, for playoff goaltending...to have more than one game of it in a series is really hard for a team to overcome. But in our Luongo-led cup run, it happened on two occasions: 2010-11 - Boston Game 3 - .789 Game 4 - .800 Game 6 - .625 2010-11 - Chicago Game 4 - .786 Game 5 - .667 So on our cup run, we had two series where our goalie gave us god-awful, terrible playoff goaltending for more than 1 game. That shouldn't be overlooked, or excused away. Do other great goalies do that? Marty Brodeur has only had 1 series where he didn't save over 80% of the shots in more than one game, and that was in 1998-99 against a stacked Penguins team. There was only 1 game this last playoffs where his save percentage was that low. Then you have to go back to 2002-03 to find another game like that. He had 2 of those games in a full playoff run, but followed each of them up with shutouts. OK, Brodeur is a tough comparison. How about Niemi then? He had 1 game where he had an .800 save percentage in his cup run - and that is it. No meltdowns, no multiple terrible games. He was steady, which gave the Hawks a chance to win every series. (In 2010-11 he had 2 terrible games in San Jose's first series with the Kings.) M.A. Fleury just had 2 against the Flyers (funny how only two of those games were actually sub-.800). But that was the first time in his 75-game playoff career (14 more than Luongo) that he has had more than one game that bad in a series. And yet, everyone and their uncle will freely admit that Fleury had a terrible series and completely melted down. ...But some of those same people will say Lu's melting is overrated? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merci Posted January 10, 2013 Share Posted January 10, 2013 Well done, this hits it on the head. So well done in fact none of the Lou lovers even responded to it. We should add this to the Canucks homepage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Primus099 Posted January 10, 2013 Share Posted January 10, 2013 There's nothing wrong with the odd bad game. The best goalies out there have them. However, the problem is if you have 2 or 3 TERRIBLE games in a single series. Then it doesn't matter if your last series was fantastic, and you had a couple great games in this one - it's a big issue. What would constitute a "terrible game"? How about a .800-or-less save percentage? That is letting a goal in every 5 shots. That is definitely terrible, for playoff goaltending...to have more than one game of it in a series is really hard for a team to overcome. But in our Luongo-led cup run, it happened on two occasions: 2010-11 - Boston Game 3 - .789 Game 4 - .800 Game 6 - .625 2010-11 - Chicago Game 4 - .786 Game 5 - .667 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westcoasting Posted January 10, 2013 Share Posted January 10, 2013 2010-11 Chicago Game 1 - 1.000 Game 3 - .938 Game 6 - .923 Game 7 - .969 2010-11 Boston Game 1 - 1.000 Game 2 - .933 Game 6 - 1.000 Problem Vince? In the series against Boston as terrible as he was in Boston he was unreal at home, his GAA for the 4 home games was 1.5 and i'm sorry if your team can't score enough to win all 4 games when your goalie is keeping the other team to 1.5 goals then your goalie is not the only problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonshinefe Posted January 10, 2013 Share Posted January 10, 2013 Look, I like Luongo. I think he has some great games sometimes and he's great during the regular season. But those of you trying to rewrite history with your rose coloured goggles and deny he has choked, BADLY, on multiple occasions in key games that cost us some playoff series are just fooling yourselves. Luongo has melted down, and melted down badly. Certain teams just get in his head. And no, "But we weren't scoring enough" doesn't magically excuse the goaltender choking. I never understood that reasoning... maybe someone could explain how "we wouldn't have won without scoring anyway, meh" somehow makes poor goaltending OK. You need consistent goaltending to win the cup, so while it's nice Luongo sometimes gets a shutout, it sort of defeats the purpose of it when he lets in 4+ goals in other games by letting in softies. You can tell it deflates the team too. Ever notice how the team 'mysteriously' plays better in front of Schneider? It's called having confidence in your last line of defence. It shows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Primus099 Posted January 10, 2013 Share Posted January 10, 2013 But he certainly is one of the problems. Name one other goalie to have a save percentage that low in all the losses. Or even two losses. It shouldn't happen, no way to win with that king of consistency. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merci Posted January 10, 2013 Share Posted January 10, 2013 Look, I like Luongo. I think he has some great games sometimes and he's great during the regular season. But those of you trying to rewrite history with your rose coloured goggles and deny he has choked, BADLY, on multiple occasions in key games that cost us some playoff series are just fooling yourselves. Luongo has melted down, and melted down badly. Certain teams just get in his head. And no, "But we weren't scoring enough" doesn't magically excuse the goaltender choking. I never understood that reasoning... maybe someone could explain how "we wouldn't have won without scoring anyway, meh" somehow makes poor goaltending OK. You need consistent goaltending to win the cup, so while it's nice Luongo sometimes gets a shutout, it sort of defeats the purpose of it when he lets in 4+ goals in other games by letting in softies. You can tell it deflates the team too. Ever notice how the team 'mysteriously' plays better in front of Schneider? It's called having confidence in your last line of defence. It shows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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