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Does Luongo really meltdown in the playoffs?


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#271 Nino

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Posted 11 January 2013 - 01:43 PM

Brodeur never had Chara in front of him. In fact, the New Jersey D-corps over the last 4 years has been inferior to Vancouver's. Quick never had Chara either - he has had Mitchell...but then again, so did Luongo.

The thing is, considering your excuses, is our defense really that bad? How did we get the Jennings, and then suddenly collapse and provide worse defense than other teams? Did Bryce Salvador and Alec Martinez really lock it down and provide infinitely better defense than our guys? Or did Brodeur and Quick simply play better than Luongo?

Stats over a short time frame do not tell the whole story. However, over a long time frame, and compared against peers, they reveal a pattern. The pattern is: Luongo either gives us grade-A allstar goaltending in a playoff series, or he is below average. And, unfortunately, in the last four years, he has been the latter more often than the former.


I agree, let's put him on the trading block.... Oh hold on, he already is.
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Posted 11 January 2013 - 01:50 PM

All Schneider needed to beat LA was 2 goals a game, Luongo needed 4 and 5.


in our last 12 playoff games we've scored 16 goals, if we boosted our offense by a goal a game that would be 28 which is still only 2.33 goals per game, so whoever our goalie is would still have needed a GAA of less than 2 over those 16 games. We are seriously lacking offense
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Posted 11 January 2013 - 01:56 PM

So we've learned that the offense needs to score 5 to 8 goals a game and the defense has to allow no scoring chances and then Lu can carry our team to a cup.
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Posted 11 January 2013 - 02:45 PM

Brodeur never had Chara in front of him. In fact, the New Jersey D-corps over the last 4 years has been inferior to Vancouver's. Quick never had Chara either - he has had Mitchell...but then again, so did Luongo.

The thing is, considering your excuses, is our defense really that bad? How did we get the Jennings, and then suddenly collapse and provide worse defense than other teams? Did Bryce Salvador and Alec Martinez really lock it down and provide infinitely better defense than our guys? Or did Brodeur and Quick simply play better than Luongo?

Stats over a short time frame do not tell the whole story. However, over a long time frame, and compared against peers, they reveal a pattern. The pattern is: Luongo either gives us grade-A allstar goaltending in a playoff series, or he is below average. And, unfortunately, in the last four years, he has been the latter more often than the former.


...and how many years has Lou been in the playoffs?
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Posted 11 January 2013 - 02:58 PM

You know what we all need right now?!
We need to come together and forget our differences
I'm not going to force anyone to watch this but I'm positive if anything can bring us together it's the Christian metal band Stryper



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Posted 11 January 2013 - 03:10 PM

...and how many years has Lou been in the playoffs?


Five...but what does that have to do with anything? His first playoff year was six seasons ago.

All that should matter now is what management projects Luongo to do over the next few years. And recent history shows that playing a consistently-great 4 rounds of playoff hockey is not something he is able to do.

Luongo supporters claim that Schneider is unproven, and to an extent, he is. But that is still better than being proven to melt down.

Edited by D-Money, 11 January 2013 - 03:12 PM.

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Posted 11 January 2013 - 03:12 PM

You know what we all need right now?!
We need to come together and forget our differences
I'm not going to force anyone to watch this but I'm positive if anything can bring us together it's the Christian metal band Stryper



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Posted 11 January 2013 - 03:18 PM

So according to the Luongo fanatics, Luongo isnt responsible for a single goal he lets in?
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Posted 11 January 2013 - 03:32 PM

All that should matter now is what management projects Luongo to do over the next few years. And recent history shows that playing a consistently-great 4 rounds of playoff hockey is not something he is able to do.


Agree, but to be honest everyone else on the team falls into that category as well.
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Posted 11 January 2013 - 08:56 PM

So we've learned that the offense needs to score 5 to 8 goals a game and the defense has to allow no scoring chances and then Lu can carry our team to a cup.


LOL! That's awesome.
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Posted 11 January 2013 - 09:00 PM

So according to the Luongo fanatics, Luongo isnt responsible for a single goal he lets in?


No he is not responsible. It is always our D's fault, and we dont score enough..... :sick:
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Posted 11 January 2013 - 09:01 PM

Agree, but to be honest everyone else on the team falls into that category as well.


Not everybody else plays the most important position on the team and are supposedly elite.
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Posted 11 January 2013 - 09:03 PM

Not everybody else plays the most important position on the team and are supposedly elite.


pretty sure scoring goals is just as important as keeping them out, and our supposedly elite players up front did a pretty poor job of that as well in the finals. the whole team sucked
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Posted 11 January 2013 - 09:06 PM

pretty sure scoring goals is just as important as keeping them out, and our supposedly elite players up front did a pretty poor job of that as well in the finals. the whole team sucked


So a 2nd line left winger is just as important as an "elite" goaltender?
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Posted 11 January 2013 - 09:10 PM

pretty sure scoring goals is just as important as keeping them out, and our supposedly elite players up front did a pretty poor job of that as well in the finals. the whole team sucked


No the goalie is the most important, in my adult league we had a bad goalie and couldn't win a game, new goalie comes in and we finish first. A bad goal just deflates the team. One or two bad players on the team can't do that to you.

Edit: and we are not going to trade the whole team, if we did and got team Canada for them we'd be fine with Lou.

Edited by Nino, 11 January 2013 - 09:12 PM.

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Posted 11 January 2013 - 09:11 PM

So a 2nd line left winger is just as important as an "elite" goaltender?


lol seriously? i said elite players up front, who on our second line is elite? I'm talking about the Sedins, they disappeared in the finals as did everyone else.
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Posted 11 January 2013 - 09:12 PM

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Edited by Primus099, 11 January 2013 - 09:15 PM.

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Posted 11 January 2013 - 09:13 PM

No the goalie is the most important, in my adult league we had a bad goalie and couldn't win a game, new goalie comes in and we finish first. A bad goal just deflates the team. One or two bad players on the team can't do that to you.

Edit: and we are not going to trade the whole team, if we did and got team Canada for them we'd be fine with Lou.


I know it was a different era but Grant Fuhr won cups some years with a GAA of well over 3 in the playoffs, offense can definitely win you championships it's not always all about the goalie. If we lost those games in Boston 8-6 or 5-4 for example then sure the blame is 100% on Luongo, but 8-1, 5-2 and 4-0? that's pretty crapty offense sorry

Edited by Primus099, 11 January 2013 - 09:17 PM.

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Posted 11 January 2013 - 09:14 PM

People whine back on forth here like they can solely place the blame on one player or another. Stupid.

ALL PARTS OF THE CANUCKS GAME CAN AND SHOULD BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE.


Luongo sucked in Boston and against LA. Yes.

The offense has managed 1.33 GOALS A GAME over the last two series.



Forget reason though. People would rather just play the blame game all day long and cry like little girls.

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Posted 11 January 2013 - 09:14 PM

Agree, but to be honest everyone else on the team falls into that category as well.

...Boy did you hit the nail on the effing head.
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Posted 11 January 2013 - 09:16 PM

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Edited by Primus099, 11 January 2013 - 09:17 PM.

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Posted 11 January 2013 - 09:31 PM

Didn't Luongo take home about twice what Thomas did (only counting pay-cheques) lol.
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Posted 11 January 2013 - 09:56 PM

Didn't Luongo take home about twice what Thomas did (only counting pay-cheques) lol.

...And that has to do with precisely what?lol.-Maybe Thomas's agent needs to go for a beer with Lou's and learn the art of bargaining !

Edited by fagin, 11 January 2013 - 10:00 PM.

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Posted 11 January 2013 - 10:03 PM

...And that has to do with precisely what?lol.-Maybe Thomas's agent needs to go for a beer with Lou's and learn the art of bargaining !



Maybe he was expected to be the best goaltender in the world and paid like one but he didn't play like one.

Edited by hudson bay rules, 11 January 2013 - 10:04 PM.

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Posted 11 January 2013 - 10:05 PM

Maybe he was expected to be the best goaltender in the world and paid like one but he didn't play like one.


lol do you know how many goalies have a higher cap hit then Luongo? And the only one I would consider better than him is Lundqvist
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Posted 11 January 2013 - 10:08 PM

lol do you know how many goalies have a higher cap hit then Luongo? And the only one I would consider better than him is Lundqvist


do you really think that the guys in the locker room and the players agents compare cap hits?


LOL
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Posted 11 January 2013 - 10:13 PM

He has, but that's just part of being human. That's the problem with goaltenders, if they're hot at the right moment, their team wins the cup. If not, they're put under a glaring spotlight, often to stand alone.

People forget that the goaltender is the last line in defense....that he doesn't get to skate out and stop the play before a scoring chance happens. So it's a do or die thing and you won't stop every goal. Sometimes it all unravels and Lu's had that happen, but I don't place the blame solely on him. And I'll miss him.

The guy who said consistent? Actually, you can be consistent all season long and, come playoffs, if you have a cold streak it's game over. Consistent doesn't equal perfection and I think you're seeking perfection.

All goalies have hot and cold streaks, and lose games. Lou gives up too many goals by being technically and positionally compromised. He gives up too many second chances and beats himself too often. Schneider is better in all those areas. The key is not to beat yourself !Make teams earn their goals. Lou is inconsistant because he relies too much on reflexes and that never holds up over the long haul.
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Posted 11 January 2013 - 10:16 PM

do you really think that the guys in the locker room and the players agents compare cap hits?


LOL


they can compare whatever they want, what counts for GM's when you sign a guy is his caphit and Luongo's isn't really that high. seems like you're hinting at that he's overpaid and he's not at all with a 5.333 mil caphit
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Posted 11 January 2013 - 10:17 PM

I still don't quite understand how Louie takes all the heat for the meltdown against Boston.. The Sedin's and everyone else somehow comes out smelling like roses, it was just as much their fault as his.
I believe he got 2 shutouts in those finals, and yes he had a 2 game lead to close it out and didn't get it done. In saying this i didn't see the Sedin's turn into any scoring machines then either, yeah the Reffing was horrible but that's no excuse.
The key to the Canucks success is staying healthy, if they can do this and have some decent reffing in the playoffs, they can win it all. There's probably only 4 or 5 teams that have a possiblity of beating them in the playoffs if their healthy. So everyone just say your prayers for a low injury season and let the chips fall where they may.
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Posted 11 January 2013 - 10:18 PM

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