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Posted 21 September 2011 - 06:07 PM

3 years straight of doing this... hasn't worked yet.

Neither has MG, Sedins, Kesler and Burrows. What's your point?
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Posted 21 September 2011 - 06:17 PM

My question is... how can the media bash Luongo for last years playoffs? The Canucks scored 8 goals total in 7 cup finals games.... was Luongo suppose to get 4 SOs? Luongo had 4 SOs in 60 games during the year... and then put up another 4 SOs in 25 playoff games...



First off, when the goalie gets scored on and the goals are weak, the team shuts down.
You don't think for one second that a team that scored like mad throughout the year, were
just not scoring do you?

We were beat up and it did not take much for us to shut down. Lu let in some lu-lu's and that killed
allot of spirit. But why did they put Lu in on the last game? We lost 4-0. Schneider could have been the determining
factor, had they put him in.




4 things for sure. #1- The Canucks can score.
#2- Lu played horrible during the Boston Run.
#3- Boston plays a low scoring game, we were supposed to be patient with good goal tending.
#4- Cory Schnieder would have been the man to get us the cup, I feel very strongly about that.


I am a cory Schnieder fan and I believe we have a great team. We should have used him allot more during the play-offs.
After watching him choke like he has, I am not much of a Roberto luongo fan any more.
I mean, come on, how many great goalie let in the amount of goals he did. Some of the scores were just horrible.
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Posted 21 September 2011 - 06:33 PM

What a load of rubbish.

The entire team was playing on one leg and almost won a cup for Luongo.

The only position not decimated by injury was the goaltender position.

Give it a rest.

I agree with you on this. I can see that you were not given much credit for what you said.
Some of these members blow my mind. They watch a bad performance and call it good.
They feel committed to sticking up for Roberto. Ever see a good goalie get scored on so much
before?
We need another #1 goalie. Short and sweet. All of you guys with pictures of Roberto being God
give it a break. The Boston series was going to be a low scoring series. We all knew that was the way they play.
What's with all those goals they got. You really think our defense was to blame? Go and watch some of those
goals over again.

During the Olympics, do you think Roberto won it for Canada? Or do you think, as usual, he almost blew it for us and
Sidney won it for us. Come on...give your head a shake...your eyes are stuck
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Posted 21 September 2011 - 06:41 PM

I'm not sure if you're familiar with magnets at all; but, to this day, after almost 200 years of studying them, nobody has been able to prove a magnetic monopole exists, that is, a magnet with one polarity.

What I'm getting at is: Luongo will never have everyone on his side, there will always be a group that love him and a group that hates him for many reasons.


I personally don't like Luo because he didn't give the Canucks a home team discount, unlike Burrows, Sedins, Kesler, Bieksa etc... IMO if you're going to get paid more than Thomas, then outplay him.

That being said, I am comfortable saying he's our goalie, because, he's still a top 5 goalie, and that should be good enough to eventually win a damn cup!
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Posted 21 September 2011 - 06:42 PM

Luongo meltsdown in the playoffs like Fukushima does during an earthquake.
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Posted 21 September 2011 - 06:51 PM

Luongo is awesome at times and I see that. However hes too arrogant and so ppl feel like he should back up his words. When he gets lit up he doesn't admit it. He was also given a ridiculous amount of control from day 1 on the team that not even linden got. The deal is if you're that good and given the key to the city prove it. But he isn't that good although a lot of the times he is pretty good.
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Posted 21 September 2011 - 07:04 PM

During the Olympics, do you think Roberto won it for Canada? Or do you think, as usual, he almost blew it for us and
Sidney won it for us. Come on...give your head a shake...your eyes are stuck


Stopping 34 of 36 shots in the gold medal game is almost blowing it? Give your own head a shake buddy. I guess future hall of famer Brodeur wasn't good enough to win gold with that great team? Typical Vancouver bandwagoner......if Canada lost to the US it wouldve been because of Luongo but when they win it's in spite of him
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Posted 21 September 2011 - 07:08 PM

pulling him when he let in 3 goals and putting in cory might have been a different series
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Posted 21 September 2011 - 07:53 PM

Simple question: who was the worst player in Boston and the best player in Boston. The Cup came down to one win in Boston and Lou was the worst player on the ice, while Thomas was the best player on the ice. Break down the stats for the games in Van and in Boston ,the change in Lou's stats tells the story.
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Posted 21 September 2011 - 08:04 PM

Torn about this TBH.


Statistics is the 'tool of the devil'....it can be manipulated to prove any point you like.
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Posted 21 September 2011 - 08:13 PM

Isn't that why everyone has been saying Kesler needs a top line winger who can score with him?
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Posted 21 September 2011 - 09:38 PM

Anyone who watched last seasons cup final knows that he absolutely melts down. its a snowball effect once one goes in early. not every game obviously but way more than an elite goalie should especially at that time of the year. he needs to see a sports psychologist if he isnt already. great goalie but cant seem to shake off an early or bad goal.
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Posted 21 September 2011 - 09:42 PM

Luongo cost the Canucks the cup. He let in weak goals early which completely shifted the momentum in favour of Boston. If Luongo didn't let in that Marchand goal in game 6, who knows what would have happened.
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Posted 21 September 2011 - 09:46 PM

My question is 'why isn't he pulled before his numbers become ultra-embarrassing for the night?'


AV doesn't know how to manage the goalies, esp when the stage is at the biggest. Hope he learned from the SCF gaffes.
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Posted 21 September 2011 - 09:51 PM

Obviously yes. The evidence is right there.

Hopefully this doesn't happen again.
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Posted 21 September 2011 - 10:28 PM

I agree with what the article is trying to prove. But the thing that killed the Canucks and Luongo is the type of goals that Luongo lets in. A team can come back if it is a good goal that gets by your goalie, but when it is a saveable goal and it goes in. It just kills all momentum that team had. I am a Luongo fan but come playoff time you don't know which goalie you will get. First round is a prefect example games 1-3 was great Luongo was on top of his game then game 4-5 and yea the defense didn't help him out much but there were some goals where Luongo could have saved.


THIS.
We outplayed the Bruins for the first 10-15 minutes of every game that series. The games we lost, Luongo let in back-to-back goals, at least one of which was a softie, and then all our momentum was gone.

Also once the Bruins were up 2-0, we didn't have much of a chance anyway. The Bruins can shut a team down as well as anyone.
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Posted 22 September 2011 - 07:27 AM

luongo didnt meltdown in th playoffs, just the finals. give it a rest already.
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Posted 22 September 2011 - 07:29 AM

The fact is that no one is talking about Thomas choking, while everyone, including the Canucks fans, are talking about Luongo choking.

You can try and twist the numbers to prove how he is not a choker, but the fact remains that he was pulled a LOT of times throughout the playoffs and didn't even get to start in Game 6 against Chicago. That tells you something. Roberto is a good goalie but I think we all can agree that he sometimes struggles in important games, and sometimes unfairly gets all the blame for the losses.
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Posted 22 September 2011 - 07:46 AM

Love how the article puts "big games" and "meltdowns" in quotes as if they weren't meltdowns and they weren't in big games. Both elimination games against Chicago before this year were true meltdowns and they were indeed big games, just like games 6 and 7 of this past year's finals, both of which were also meltdowns and both of which were truly big games. I guess the writer believes that you can prove anything with numbers. Luongo is arguably the worst "big game" goalie in history.



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Posted 22 September 2011 - 08:19 AM

Yes, the team couldn't score.

That doesn't mean Luongo didn't ALSO melt down.

He did, for several games.

The fact that his team didn't score at all doesn't mean he didn't melt down.

For stretches of the playoffs, he played poorly and so did the team in front of him. They both deserve criticism in these instances.
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Posted 22 September 2011 - 08:23 AM

You Luongo haters are pathetic. Vancouver, after all those years with guys like Snow, Cloutier, Weekes, Potvin, etc, finally has a true superstar goaltender and you're still not happy. You so called "Canucks fans" are the reason Vancouver has been considered a goalie graveyard for so many years. How can you honestly not be happy knowing the team has an elite top 5 goalie locked up for the rest of his career?

The first year Luo was here, everyone and there dogs jumped on the bandwagon and supported him more than any other player in franchise history and he had a tremendous year. Now, he has an even better year, leads the team to their first ever presidents trophy and within one win of the Stanley Cup, yet thousands of people are complaining he needs to be replaced with an inexperienced kid. Give it up already! I realize you may think that the grass is always greener on the other side but really, even Ryan Miller and Pekka Rinne have bad games.


The fans are to blame for management's unwillingness to trade Cloutier year after year? News to me.
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Posted 22 September 2011 - 08:32 AM

The team lost the cup last year it wasn't on one person. The media and 90% of the fans always need to put a face to the blame. In that locker room it's a team mentality which got them that far. Quit trying to blame game. They will learn from last year as a team and improve as a team. Just like the Penguins did after losing to the Wings. Good teams do that, disagree with me if you want but I believe we got a good team. We're not Calgary, Ottawa, and Edmonton who just snuck in, we're a legit team and we'll be back.
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Posted 22 September 2011 - 09:21 AM

Roberto Luongo was his own worst enemy in the Stanley Cup Final. He made himself unlikeable and even despicable to his own team mates and Canucks fans, alienating himself from them in so many ways:1. No playoff beard: To snub hockey's proudest and noblest tradition by not sporting a playoff beard is to say that you are better than the game. It also ticks off the hockey gods. Sure, Luongo would have looked like he was missing a turban, or like a no-fly list terrorist, but so what? Thomas didn't care that his beard made him resemble Zack Galafanakis. Unlike Luongo, Thomas felt it important to show commitment to team chemistry and team culture rather than let his ego prevail.2. To not agree to be pulled early in game 3: Clearly, Luongo was far more concerned with his "number of times pulled" playoffs stat than he was with team success. By staying in that game, he demotivated his team and energized the Bruins by allowing them to make a bold statement and not just get back in the series, but get into the Canucks' heads and strip them of their confidence with the rout. Truly the TSN turning point of the series, all because Luongo was too proud to be pulled.3. Having his brother appear with him on CBC's After Hours following game 5: He credited his brother (a so-called "Quebec League goaltending coach") with giving him the necessary advice to come up with the win. This action must have discredited and embarrassed the Canucks' goaltending coach. The Luongo brothers appeared to be as giddy as school girls, as though the cup was now "theirs for the taking." Their naive optimism surely served as bulletin board motivation for the Bruins' comeback.4. Luongo's thoughtless comments: "That would have been an easy save for me"..."I haven't heard him say one nice thing about me all series." These boneheaded comments not only "emboldened the enemy", but revealed the depth and breadth of Luongo's insecurities and fragile mental state, and how needy his ego is. The Bruins made hay with this new ammunition. Luongo didn't need the added pressure on his shoulders and his mind, but there it was, like a new 500 pound gorilla now piggybacking on him entering the most crucial and pivotal game of the final (game 6 in Boston). He couldn't "walk the walk", making him look even more ridiculous after getting shell shocked. Again. Heading to Vancouver for game 7 with Boston's new team mate: Mo Mentum.5. Luongo's constant, first person singular speech: "I'm only one win away from winning the Stanley Cup, and that's all I care about"! The only time I heard him utter a team reference was in his post game 7 interview, during which he said "It's a team game - you win as a team, and you lose as a team. we all need to be better". Contrast that with Thomas' phrasing: "I need to do whatever I can to help my team win".6. Luongo's sense that he and their team were "bulletproof" on home ice, and therefore none of the losses in Boston mattered. To keep up the "we have home ice advantage" battle cry following humiliating road losses in Boston, until the series boiled down to a single "winner take all" affair, was misguided and sad. All of Luongo's selfish actions served to alienate him from his team mates and Canucks fans. The sad thing is, I don't think Luongo is smart enough to realize the damage he was doing. And he still hasn't learned from his harsh life lessons. Now, when asked to reflect on last seaqson, he says things like "The playoffs were fun whether we won or lost". "They were exciting when you think about it." Denial? Defiance? Mental illness? Who knows. It must be painful being saddled with him as a team mate.
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Posted 22 September 2011 - 11:07 AM

Great article. It makes me mad when media and the fans place the Cup loss solely on Luongo. If it wasn't for Luongo, the series would've been over in 4 or 5. It seems that every time the Bruins scored first, we stopped playing as hard and when they got 2-0 leads we just gave up. The only loss I blame on Luongo is game 6.
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Posted 22 September 2011 - 11:16 AM

People forget his biggest gaffe in a "big game" because the game was eventually won by a true "Big game player"

Letting Parise score with 25 seconds left in the Olympics.

He was forgiven because Crosby bailed him out.
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Posted 22 September 2011 - 11:21 AM

People forget his biggest gaffe in a "big game" because the game was eventually won by a true "Big game player"

Letting Parise score with 25 seconds left in the Olympics.

He was forgiven because Crosby bailed him out.


How about letting Toews score short handed with < 2 min in the game?
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Posted 22 September 2011 - 11:22 AM

Roberto Luongo was his own worst enemy in the Stanley Cup Final. He made himself unlikeable and even despicable to his own team mates and Canucks fans, alienating himself from them in so many ways:1. No playoff beard: To snub hockey's proudest and noblest tradition by not sporting a playoff beard is to say that you are better than the game. It also ticks off the hockey gods. Sure, Luongo would have looked like he was missing a turban, or like a no-fly list terrorist, but so what? Thomas didn't care that his beard made him resemble Zack Galafanakis. Unlike Luongo, Thomas felt it important to show commitment to team chemistry and team culture rather than let his ego prevail.2. To not agree to be pulled early in game 3: Clearly, Luongo was far more concerned with his "number of times pulled" playoffs stat than he was with team success. By staying in that game, he demotivated his team and energized the Bruins by allowing them to make a bold statement and not just get back in the series, but get into the Canucks' heads and strip them of their confidence with the rout. Truly the TSN turning point of the series, all because Luongo was too proud to be pulled.3. Having his brother appear with him on CBC's After Hours following game 5: He credited his brother (a so-called "Quebec League goaltending coach") with giving him the necessary advice to come up with the win. This action must have discredited and embarrassed the Canucks' goaltending coach. The Luongo brothers appeared to be as giddy as school girls, as though the cup was now "theirs for the taking." Their naive optimism surely served as bulletin board motivation for the Bruins' comeback.4. Luongo's thoughtless comments: "That would have been an easy save for me"..."I haven't heard him say one nice thing about me all series." These boneheaded comments not only "emboldened the enemy", but revealed the depth and breadth of Luongo's insecurities and fragile mental state, and how needy his ego is. The Bruins made hay with this new ammunition. Luongo didn't need the added pressure on his shoulders and his mind, but there it was, like a new 500 pound gorilla now piggybacking on him entering the most crucial and pivotal game of the final (game 6 in Boston). He couldn't "walk the walk", making him look even more ridiculous after getting shell shocked. Again. Heading to Vancouver for game 7 with Boston's new team mate: Mo Mentum.5. Luongo's constant, first person singular speech: "I'm only one win away from winning the Stanley Cup, and that's all I care about"! The only time I heard him utter a team reference was in his post game 7 interview, during which he said "It's a team game - you win as a team, and you lose as a team. we all need to be better". Contrast that with Thomas' phrasing: "I need to do whatever I can to help my team win".6. Luongo's sense that he and their team were "bulletproof" on home ice, and therefore none of the losses in Boston mattered. To keep up the "we have home ice advantage" battle cry following humiliating road losses in Boston, until the series boiled down to a single "winner take all" affair, was misguided and sad. All of Luongo's selfish actions served to alienate him from his team mates and Canucks fans. The sad thing is, I don't think Luongo is smart enough to realize the damage he was doing. And he still hasn't learned from his harsh life lessons. Now, when asked to reflect on last seaqson, he says things like "The playoffs were fun whether we won or lost". "They were exciting when you think about it." Denial? Defiance? Mental illness? Who knows. It must be painful being saddled with him as a team mate.


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Posted 22 September 2011 - 11:24 AM

How about stopping Pavelski and Sharp point-blank before being 'bailed out' by Crosby and Burrows?
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Posted 22 September 2011 - 11:26 AM

Roberto Luongo was his own worst enemy in the Stanley Cup Final. He made himself unlikeable and even despicable to his own team mates and Canucks fans, alienating himself from them in so many ways:1. No playoff beard: To snub hockey's proudest and noblest tradition by not sporting a playoff beard is to say that you are better than the game. It also ticks off the hockey gods. Sure, Luongo would have looked like he was missing a turban, or like a no-fly list terrorist, but so what? Thomas didn't care that his beard made him resemble Zack Galafanakis. Unlike Luongo, Thomas felt it important to show commitment to team chemistry and team culture rather than let his ego prevail.2. To not agree to be pulled early in game 3: Clearly, Luongo was far more concerned with his "number of times pulled" playoffs stat than he was with team success. By staying in that game, he demotivated his team and energized the Bruins by allowing them to make a bold statement and not just get back in the series, but get into the Canucks' heads and strip them of their confidence with the rout. Truly the TSN turning point of the series, all because Luongo was too proud to be pulled.3. Having his brother appear with him on CBC's After Hours following game 5: He credited his brother (a so-called "Quebec League goaltending coach") with giving him the necessary advice to come up with the win. This action must have discredited and embarrassed the Canucks' goaltending coach. The Luongo brothers appeared to be as giddy as school girls, as though the cup was now "theirs for the taking."




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Their naive optimism surely served as bulletin board motivation for the Bruins' comeback.4. Luongo's thoughtless comments: "That would have been an easy save for me"..."I haven't heard him say one nice thing about me all series." These boneheaded comments not only "emboldened the enemy", but revealed the depth and breadth of Luongo's insecurities and fragile mental state, and how needy his ego is. The Bruins made hay with this new ammunition. Luongo didn't need the added pressure on his shoulders and his mind, but there it was, like a new 500 pound gorilla now piggybacking on him entering the most crucial and pivotal game of the final (game 6 in Boston). He couldn't "walk the walk", making him look even more ridiculous after getting shell shocked. Again. Heading to Vancouver for game 7 with Boston's new team mate: Mo Mentum.5. Luongo's constant, first person singular speech: "I'm only one win away from winning the Stanley Cup, and that's all I care about"! The only time I heard him utter a team reference was in his post game 7 interview, during which he said "It's a team game - you win as a team, and you lose as a team. we all need to be better". Contrast that with Thomas' phrasing: "I need to do whatever I can to help my team win".6. Luongo's sense that he and their team were "bulletproof" on home ice, and therefore none of the losses in Boston mattered. To keep up the "we have home ice advantage" battle cry following humiliating road losses in Boston, until the series boiled down to a single "winner take all" affair, was misguided and sad. All of Luongo's selfish actions served to alienate him from his team mates and Canucks fans. The sad thing is, I don't think Luongo is smart enough to realize the damage he was doing. And he still hasn't learned from his harsh life lessons. Now, when asked to reflect on last seaqson, he says things like "The playoffs were fun whether we won or lost". "They were exciting when you think about it." Denial? Defiance? Mental illness? Who knows. It must be painful being saddled with him as a team mate.

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Posted 22 September 2011 - 11:36 AM

People forget his biggest gaffe in a "big game" because the game was eventually won by a true "Big game player"

Letting Parise score with 25 seconds left in the Olympics.

He was forgiven because Crosby bailed him out.


The same Parise that got behind alone Neidermayer and Weber? None of those are plug players you know. They're all all star players.
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