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Poll: 2012 Presidential Election (167 member(s) have cast votes)

Who would you prefer won the GOP nomination?

  1. I hate all Republicans (49 votes [29.34%])

    Percentage of vote: 29.34%

  2. Ron Paul (81 votes [48.50%])

    Percentage of vote: 48.50%

  3. Gary Johnson (4 votes [2.40%])

    Percentage of vote: 2.40%

  4. Michele Bachmann (2 votes [1.20%])

    Percentage of vote: 1.20%

  5. Rick Perry (3 votes [1.80%])

    Percentage of vote: 1.80%

  6. Mitt Romney (14 votes [8.38%])

    Percentage of vote: 8.38%

  7. Rick Santorum (2 votes [1.20%])

    Percentage of vote: 1.20%

  8. Newt Gingrinch (4 votes [2.40%])

    Percentage of vote: 2.40%

  9. Tim Pawlenty (1 votes [0.60%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.60%

  10. John Hunstman (7 votes [4.19%])

    Percentage of vote: 4.19%

Who would you prefer won the election?

  1. Obama (86 votes [51.50%])

    Percentage of vote: 51.50%

  2. Republican Candidate (34 votes [20.36%])

    Percentage of vote: 20.36%

  3. Other (7 votes [4.19%])

    Percentage of vote: 4.19%

  4. They all suck (40 votes [23.95%])

    Percentage of vote: 23.95%

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#301 Satan's Evil Twin

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Posted 05 January 2012 - 12:42 PM




No. Not blatant censorship. Not everything is a conspiracy with Ron Paul. And soldiers cannot endorse candidates. This is a complete non-story.

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Posted 05 January 2012 - 12:58 PM

Again you seem to be unable to weed out what was done and how it was done. You should stick to the legalization of heroin that is more your speed.


what? Obama is for legalizing heroin now? or have your delusion gone even deeper than usual?

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Posted 05 January 2012 - 01:17 PM

I'd rather have a racist who wants to free all the minorities imprisoned due to the war on drugs, than a black president who is imprisoning them by the millions and using them as slave labor.

Action speaks louder than words... Unless you're a conservative. Then observable reality doesn't matter. :lol:



Do you have anything to back up the bullsh!t you spew? Or is it all just shallow rhetoric? Tell us, what was done? How? Why is it bad? Why is legalization of heroin bad?


Sharpshooter wanted me to post this for him to you so here it is, also a couple words,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6JyvkjSKMLw

"Come on brother....you're backing the wrong horse. He's a creationist in libertarian clothing. Don't buy into his nonsense!"

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Posted 05 January 2012 - 01:30 PM

Sharpshooter wanted me to post this for him to you so here it is, also a couple words,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6JyvkjSKMLw

"Come on brother....you're backing the wrong horse. He's a creationist in libertarian clothing. Don't buy into his nonsense!"


This was a big issue for me. Until Obama signed the NDAA, started threatening war with Iran, and in general advancing neo-con policies. I respect Paul because he's the only one in the GOP who doesn't push his god. While every other GOP candidate is there because god told them to be, Paul is there because he wants to serve the people. I don't think Obama is there to serve the people.

Paul is not my ideal candidate. But he's closer than Obama. And because I'm not an American, I don't care that his domestic policy would be completely contrary to my views. I just want America to pull their tentacles back from the world. Obama won't do that.

If Kucinich or Frank or Sanders ran in opposition to Paul and Obama, I'd pick them in a heart beat though.

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Posted 05 January 2012 - 04:48 PM

Sharpshooter wanted me to post this for him


He's banned again or something? lol

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Posted 05 January 2012 - 05:08 PM

This was a big issue for me. Until Obama signed the NDAA, started threatening war with Iran, and in general advancing neo-con policies. I respect Paul because he's the only one in the GOP who doesn't push his god. While every other GOP candidate is there because god told them to be, Paul is there because he wants to serve the people. I don't think Obama is there to serve the people.

Paul is not my ideal candidate. But he's closer than Obama. And because I'm not an American, I don't care that his domestic policy would be completely contrary to my views. I just want America to pull their tentacles back from the world. Obama won't do that.

If Kucinich or Frank or Sanders ran in opposition to Paul and Obama, I'd pick them in a heart beat though.


Funny how Paul's foreign policy is labeled as his "problem" by mainstream American media but at the same time if people knew what he stood for as far as foreign policy I'm sure his support would increase ten fold.

Let's face it Paul's foreign policy is such a 180 degree turn from where they are at now that even if he makes major strides forward and somehow wins the GOP nomination his fellow Republicans wouldn't get behind him (despite saying otherwise - which they are only saying to not knock the boat while they have a chance to win).

Santorum all but said he promises to go to war with Iran. He flat out promised that he would bomb Iran (which would make war a fait accompli) and which the President, once again, in theory doesn't have the authority to do technically. You think a nutcase like that would get behind Paul? What about Romney, McCain, or other prominent Republicans?

Lets say he even gets all their support I honestly believe Paul would be assassinated or blocked before he could completely pull back the American imperial tentacles.

Honestly, why does the USA still have 50,000 troops stationed in Japan? They've been there since WW2. They borrow money to "protect" the countries which they borrow from.

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Posted 05 January 2012 - 08:59 PM

Funny how Paul's foreign policy is labeled as his "problem" by mainstream American media but at the same time if people knew what he stood for as far as foreign policy I'm sure his support would increase ten fold.

Let's face it Paul's foreign policy is such a 180 degree turn from where they are at now that even if he makes major strides forward and somehow wins the GOP nomination his fellow Republicans wouldn't get behind him (despite saying otherwise - which they are only saying to not knock the boat while they have a chance to win).

Santorum all but said he promises to go to war with Iran. He flat out promised that he would bomb Iran (which would make war a fait accompli) and which the President, once again, in theory doesn't have the authority to do technically. You think a nutcase like that would get behind Paul? What about Romney, McCain, or other prominent Republicans?

Lets say he even gets all their support I honestly believe Paul would be assassinated or blocked before he could completely pull back the American imperial tentacles.

Honestly, why does the USA still have 50,000 troops stationed in Japan? They've been there since WW2. They borrow money to "protect" the countries which they borrow from.


It's not that I expect everything to work out the way I imagine it - pulling back American influence, isolationist policies replacing imperialism. It's that Paul is the only one who even wants to do these things, and these things need to be done. He may not accomplish everything he wants, but if he can change course that's a good enough start for me.

I sincerely think if the US does not change course, it will continue to experience a rise in civil disorder. Either Paul gets elected and starts fixing some things while admittedly breaking others; or Obama gets another term, civil rights continue to go the way of the Dodo, corporations continue to rake in record profits while not paying taxes, middle class continues to shrink, and American populace revolts. If it's the latter, I hope it's sooner than later.

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Posted 05 January 2012 - 09:35 PM

For anyone interested, Buddy Roemer did an AMA (Ask Me Anything) on Reddit and it's been verified.

IAMA 2012 GOP Presidential Candidate. I believe in Fair Trade, No Tax Loopholes, No Special Interests, Energy Innovation & Independence. $100 Donation Limit. I am Buddy Roemer. AMA

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Posted 06 January 2012 - 11:33 AM

"Santorum all but said he promises to go to war with Iran. He flat out promised that he would bomb Iran (which would make war a fait accompli) and which the President, once again, in theory doesn't have the authority to do technically. '

Funny how if you are an American you can say this crap,but if you are not then the yanks call you a terrorist,rogue threat to world peace.

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Posted 06 January 2012 - 12:55 PM

a disgusting ad by Ron Paul supporters in NH


Edited by Carpe Diem, 06 January 2012 - 12:59 PM.


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Posted 06 January 2012 - 03:57 PM

a disgusting ad by Ron Paul supporters in NH



The account was made on Jan.4.2012, grand total of 1 video upload (the vid posted), and the Media jumps onto this like it represents the Ron Paul campaign?!


Then demonizes his supporters
smells fishy.


Either Paul gets elected ; or Obama gets another term


Or Mitten's takes it, he's being groomed for it.

Edited by key2thecup, 06 January 2012 - 04:01 PM.

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Posted 06 January 2012 - 05:06 PM

I just watched some of the comments on that video. Seriously, some of his supporters are beyond deluded (yeah this is made by Huntsman's daughters to throw their dad and step sister under the bus so that their dad could finish 3rd. :rolleyes:)

Edited by Carpe Diem, 06 January 2012 - 05:13 PM.


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Posted 06 January 2012 - 05:53 PM

The intelligence of candidates and the media covering them seems to be at all-time low. The fact that the United States is near bankruptcy, far from spurring the country to serious debate, seems to have instead somehow led to an ever increasing focus on the irrelevant and idiotic.

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Posted 06 January 2012 - 05:58 PM

The intelligence of candidates and the media covering them seems to be at all-time low. The fact that the United States is near bankruptcy, far from spurring the country to serious debate, seems to have instead somehow led to an ever increasing focus on the irrelevant and idiotic.


I think the candidates have consistently mentioned the debt and spending. What has the current administration done to address deficit spending ? Did the administration institute anything suggested by the Simpson Bowles commission that Barry was so fond of citing yet completely disregards now ?
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Posted 06 January 2012 - 06:36 PM

The intelligence of candidates and the media covering them seems to be at all-time low. The fact that the United States is near bankruptcy, far from spurring the country to serious debate, seems to have instead somehow led to an ever increasing focus on the irrelevant and idiotic.


Well, it is an election year. Cutting deficits means increasing taxes or cutting spending, so of course no candidate is gonna seriously talk about it.

heres a brief summary on the deficit cutting "plans" for all of the candidate. (of course is only this guy's opinion)

http://capitalgainsa...es-get-f-budget

summary:

obama gets a C-, Romney gets a D, nobody else is serious.

Edited by Carpe Diem, 06 January 2012 - 06:38 PM.


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Posted 06 January 2012 - 10:31 PM

Sharpshooter wanted me to post this for him to you so here it is, also a couple words,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6JyvkjSKMLw

"Come on brother....you're backing the wrong horse. He's a creationist in libertarian clothing. Don't buy into his nonsense!"


I really don't give a damn about what his personal beliefs are but rather his actions. He might believe in creationism but its not like he said is going to ban evolution in schools. Also, Obama is just a neo-conservative in liberal's clothing.

This was a big issue for me. Until Obama signed the NDAA, started threatening war with Iran, and in general advancing neo-con policies. I respect Paul because he's the only one in the GOP who doesn't push his god. While every other GOP candidate is there because god told them to be, Paul is there because he wants to serve the people. I don't think Obama is there to serve the people.

Paul is not my ideal candidate. But he's closer than Obama. And because I'm not an American, I don't care that his domestic policy would be completely contrary to my views. I just want America to pull their tentacles back from the world. Obama won't do that.

If Kucinich or Frank or Sanders ran in opposition to Paul and Obama, I'd pick them in a heart beat though.


My thoughts exactly! The NDAA approval was the last straw for me. Also, I would rather have Mike Gravel. Remember him in 2008?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JXzGkdABVzk

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Posted 08 January 2012 - 01:39 PM

CBS Excludes Ron Paul from New Hampshire 2012 Campaign News Coverage Blowback Ensues

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Posted 08 January 2012 - 03:25 PM

Americans on the board: http://esupport.fcc.gov/complaints.htm

With the new laws in place, seems as though the US is turning to a media controlled dictatorship.


That's change I can believe in, right Barry?

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Posted 08 January 2012 - 03:51 PM

I hadn't seen that Mike Gravel clip before and found it powerful.

Yes they are dying in vain. Obama's side step on the question is deplorable. But people don't want honesty they want lies which is why he was elected. The question of war should be put to the people of the US directly in my opinion.

I might have lofty expectations but unless you yourself would fight in a war or work for the armed forces (even if it wasnt in the front line) then you can't really say you support the war.

The sad part is the ignorant and wealthy will make that decision and the poor and powerless will fill the coffins.

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Posted 08 January 2012 - 04:00 PM

I want him to win.




Lamb of God are kicking of 2012 with a new album, Resolution, out January 24. Perhaps taking that title in the legal sense of the term, the bandís frontman, Randy Blythe, has taken it upon himself to announce that heís running for president this year. You can read what he has to say below, and let us know if you would vote for him in the comments section at the bottom. ďItís 2012 now, the year some are saying the Mayan calendar predicts a cataclysmic upheaval across the board for our planet, perhaps even the end of the world as we know it. I donít know if these doomsday predictions have any validity, but I do know one thing: the potential candidates in the race to decide who will be elected President of the United States look like pure crap. ďIím not particularly stoked on any of the candidates. In a massive blow to our civil rights, Obama quietly signed the NDAA for the fiscal year 2012 into law while Americans drank in their party hats on New Yearís Eve. The GOP is parading around a bunch of ass-clowns in what has got to be the most embarrassing primary season in the history of their party. Just when you thought it couldnít get any worse than Sarah Palin, they bust out that lunatic Michele Bachman. I have no clue what the Libertarians are up to now that Ron Paul is gunning for the Republican nomination. Probably loading their guns and preparing for the worst. ďDonít even get me started on our current Congress, THE WORST CONGRESS I HAVE EVER SEEN OR HEARD OF IN THE ENTIRE HISTORY OF THE UNITED STATES. Itís a relentless bipartisan pissing contest in Washington where not only is nothing getting done, nothing is ALLOWED to get done. Thereís a bunch of squabbling children in Washington in charge of the business of running our country. These baboons are stopping any useful litigation from occurring by engaging in an endless game of ďI know you are, but what am I?Ē. There is very little compromise happening in DC, and there is very little regard for the welfare of the American people. Itís PATHETIC. ďSomething has got to change. America is falling to pieces around us and we are sitting back and letting it happen. We need someone to come in and REALLY take charge, someone who canít be bought by corporate dollars because he doesnít need or want Ďem. Someone who is not going to bull the country or the rest of the world about whatís going to go down when he steps into office, because he LIKES pissing people off and doesnít give a crap about hurting anyoneís feelings. We need a man who is not afraid to stick his neck out and risk embarrassing himself while doing the right thing, a man, in fact, INCAPABLE of embarrassment anymore PERIOD because heís ALREADY done almost every stupid WRONG thing you can think of at one time or the other. We need a hard-boiled, no-nonsense, mean son-of-a-bitch with a bad reputation who ainít afraid to chicken-whip the crap out of some randomly selected feline-ass billionaire on live tv during his annual State of the Union Address just to make a point and let the mega-rich know that NO ONE is above the law here in the land of the free and the home of the brave. In short, we need a man who just DOES NOT GIVE A frack. ďAmerica, that man is me. ďThats right, ME. David Randall Blythe. Olí D. Randall. Uncle Randy. Wassisname, that dude from that one band that got drunk and fought in a skirt. I love the USA like a nerd loves D&D, I am thoroughly disgusted with the state of affairs, and I am ready, willing, and able to frack crap UP without a micro-secondís hesitation in order to fix what ails this country. All you have to do is elect me as the next President of the United States of America and Iíll handle the rest.Ē Read Blytheís full announcement on his blog. Lamb of God will release Resolution on January 24.

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Posted 08 January 2012 - 04:02 PM

I want him to win ;) http://www.revolverm...news/30896.html

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Posted 08 January 2012 - 04:45 PM

Americans on the board: http://esupport.fcc.gov/complaints.htm

sigh.

anyone that believes federal government (FCC) should interfere with the corporate media (CBS) should not be supporting Ron Paul.

that is the antithesis of Ron Paul's idealogy.

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Posted 08 January 2012 - 04:54 PM

But since it IS being controlled, you might have to play the game to change it.

That's like saying some one who doesn't agree with the system shouldn't vote.


He's the lesser of evils even if some one might not agree with every single thing, and that's not to say that I disagree with this or that.


I don't like the system but while it is in place I am going to follow its rules, and complain about a biased media.


Sigh... ?

And is his position not that he would let the states decide ? Just because his position is against federal regulation, doesn't mean his position says that the states shouldn't have that choice either.

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Posted 08 January 2012 - 05:31 PM

But since it IS being controlled, you might have to play the game to change it.

That's like saying some one who doesn't agree with the system shouldn't vote.


wrong analogy.

is more like asking for police protection while activing trying to abolish the police department.

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Posted 08 January 2012 - 05:49 PM

wrong analogy.

is more like asking for police protection while activing trying to abolish the police department.




As I already posted (and you ignored, "sigh"),

Paul's stance is that of the states regulating not the federal gov, so this is a moot point. Perhaps you should think before you point.


But lets run with your analogy.....

Would you still not call the cops? Taking a dangerous situation in your own hands would not result in being put in jail?

I would still call the cops even if I WAS for abolishing their services, because the law, or system, would still throw my ass in jail.


Thanks for proving my point. Cheers mate.

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Posted 08 January 2012 - 06:00 PM

Where does Ron Paul stand on foreign aid?

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Posted 08 January 2012 - 06:06 PM

Yea, I guess we are moving from the media constructed viewpoint of paul, lets change the subject ;)


I could make money on this fortune telling business ;)
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Posted 08 January 2012 - 06:24 PM

As I already posted (and you ignored, "sigh"),

Paul's stance is that of the states regulating not the federal gov, so this is a moot point. Perhaps you should think before you point.


But lets run with your analogy.....

Would you still not call the cops? Taking a dangerous situation in your own hands would not result in being put in jail?

I would still call the cops even if I WAS for abolishing their services, because the law, or system, would still throw my ass in jail.


Thanks for proving my point. Cheers mate.


its merely a fundamentally hypocritical position. akin to asking for police protection when holding an anti-police rally.

Paul supporters complain about the corporate controlled media, yet are keen to remove any remaining safeguards against it.

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Posted 08 January 2012 - 06:59 PM

its merely a fundamentally hypocritical position. akin to asking for police protection when holding an anti-police rally.

Paul supporters complain about the corporate controlled media, yet are keen to remove any remaining safeguards against it.


Anderson Cooper? Wolf Blitzer? Is that you?

Okay...this is the third and final time I'm going to clarify this for you.


Dr Paul proposes the states to decide. Your point doesn't hold water because it is based on a common misinterpretation that seems to be deliberately spread by the media and certain people.


I've already illustrated how your cop comparison lends credence to my side of the argument, even if it doesn't really cover the scope of what we are talking about.

It isn't a hypocritical position. These issues aren't black and white. If your eyes only see two extreme shades , I guess there isn't much left for me to say.

Long live the propaganda machine and all it's little minions

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Posted 08 January 2012 - 07:18 PM

Anderson Cooper? Wolf Blitzer? Is that you?

Okay...this is the third and final time I'm going to clarify this for you.

Dr Paul proposes the states to decide. Your point doesn't hold water because it is based on a common misinterpretation that seems to be deliberately spread by the media and certain people.

I've already illustrated how your cop comparison lends credence to my side of the argument, even if it doesn't really cover the scope of what we are talking about.

It isn't a hypocritical position. These issues aren't black and white. If your eyes only see two extreme shades , I guess there isn't much left for me to say.

Long live the propaganda machine and all it's little minions


oh please do enlighten me how a nationally televised broadcast is to satisfy different regulations from 50 states?

of course, the airwaves doesn't actually magically stop at state borders you know. How would New Jersey state regulate against signal broadcasted from New York?

Makes absolutely no sense.

Edited by Carpe Diem, 08 January 2012 - 07:21 PM.





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