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#121 Baercheese

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Posted 12 November 2011 - 12:36 PM

Would you still cheer if he got traded to the Nucks???? ;)

I highly doubt MG would be willing to give up what Iggy's worth to a divisional rival ;)
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Johnny Gaudreau>any Casucks

Edler, Markstrom, Hansen, 2nd round pick 2014 to Islanders for Ryan Strome, 5th overall pick 2014

This is fairly even as well.

 


#122 Baercheese

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Posted 12 November 2011 - 12:36 PM

Oh and, Brent Sutter has to go

If you can't motivate your players obviously you can't coach
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Johnny Gaudreau>any Casucks

Edler, Markstrom, Hansen, 2nd round pick 2014 to Islanders for Ryan Strome, 5th overall pick 2014

This is fairly even as well.

 


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Posted 12 November 2011 - 01:11 PM

Iggy deserves a ring, and he's not going to get it with the Flames, at least in the foreseeable future, unfortunately

We will still love him even if he asks for a trade. I'm sure all the Bruins fans cheered when Ray Bourque got his.

He's done everything we could've asked for

By the time Iginla is UFA, Edmonton should be a good team. The Oilers can sign him at a discount and win him a cup. He won't even have to leave Alberta.
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#124 pimpcurtly

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Posted 12 November 2011 - 01:17 PM

I highly doubt MG would be willing to give up what Iggy's worth to a divisional rival ;)


I was speaking hypothetically.
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Posted 12 November 2011 - 10:04 PM

Did you guys hear Hrudey during the 2nd intermission rage at the heartless Rene Bourque. He was so pissed.


Lol Hrudey: "Who in the world would trade for [Rene Bourque]. C'mon that's a joke."

Edited by HeChats, 12 November 2011 - 10:05 PM.

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#126 GototheFlamestotheGo

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Posted 12 November 2011 - 11:00 PM

Has there been even one win this season that hasn't been directly linked to Kipper saving our arse? I don't think so! This win, like pretty much every win this season, was largely because of his CLUTCH goaltending. A worthy 1st star. He's playing unbelievable right now and it's about time the rest of the team started following his lead.

Byron was fantastic today as well! I was hoping that Butter would give him a shot on the 1st PP unit in place of Jackman. He was flying and was realy using his hands to great effect.

Backlund while he didn't get any points played a solid 2-way game I thought. He's been a stabilizing presence on the top line and it's only a matter of time before they catch on fire.

Still think there is a LONG way to go before this team can be considered playoff worthy but the positive glimmers are there, if only for the long run. If we could somehow get a faceoff specialist via a trade, I think that would be extremely helpful in improving our PK, Puck Possession and overall offense and defense.

Did you guys hear Hrudey during the 2nd intermission rage at the heartless Rene Bourque. He was so pissed.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZVPJojn_DVI

Lol Hrudey: "Who in the world would trade for [Rene Bourque]. C'mon that's a joke."

Frankly, you can't disagree with him. Bourque is playing like he's trying to get benched. He looks disinterested and he's not strong on the puck at all. The play seems to die the moment the puck touches his stick. Quite frustrating.
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#127 Baercheese

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Posted 12 November 2011 - 11:47 PM

Kipper was amazing tonight

I thought Byron and Horak both looked good in the short icetime they got tonight

Now that Backlund is back finally Moss is back to where is most comfortable, on the 3rd line. Phew

If only we can get SOMETHING for Stajan :picard:
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Johnny Gaudreau>any Casucks

Edler, Markstrom, Hansen, 2nd round pick 2014 to Islanders for Ryan Strome, 5th overall pick 2014

This is fairly even as well.

 


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Posted 12 November 2011 - 11:52 PM

Kipper was amazing tonight

I thought Byron and Horak both looked good in the short icetime they got tonight

Now that Backlund is back finally Moss is back to where is most comfortable, on the 3rd line. Phew

If only we can get SOMETHING for Stajan :picard:


Moss was on the 4th with TKo and Jackman. And that line was crucial to the turn around last season. And tonight, that line was our most consistent line.

And yeah, Horak and Byron have really impressed! And I think Backlund has played very well as well. Brodie however has been caught making quite a few mistakes, especially when it comes to making tape to tape passes. Seems to get his passes intercepted more often. Him and Butler have been quite underwhelming in my eyes.

Still feel like the big empty void on this team is faceoffs. Is there any center available who is consistently above 55% on faceoffs? Even if it's a 4th liner, that would be a real boon!
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Posted 13 November 2011 - 12:00 AM

Moss was on the 4th with TKo and Jackman. And that line was crucial to the turn around last season. And tonight, that line was our most consistent line.

And yeah, Horak and Byron have really impressed! And I think Backlund has played very well as well. Brodie however has been caught making quite a few mistakes, especially when it comes to making tape to tape passes. Seems to get his passes intercepted more often. Him and Butler have been quite underwhelming in my eyes.

Still feel like the big empty void on this team is faceoffs. Is there any center available who is consistently above 55% on faceoffs? Even if it's a 4th liner, that would be a real boon!

BMo was crucial to the turn around last season, in my humble opinion, not the 4th line. But who cares :P

Honestly, with Johansen and Brassard developing quite nicely, I hope Feaster make a move to get Antoine Vermette. A very versatile player, and most importantly very capable of winning faceoffs. I think Moss+2nd can get it done? The resurgence of Horak has made Moss expendable, I think anyways.

Fingers crossed




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Johnny Gaudreau>any Casucks

Edler, Markstrom, Hansen, 2nd round pick 2014 to Islanders for Ryan Strome, 5th overall pick 2014

This is fairly even as well.

 


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Posted 13 November 2011 - 12:22 AM

They both were. In my opinion, it wasn't BMo specifically who was key to sparking the top line but the fact that he solidified the top center position, brought some solid two-way play to complement Tangs and Iggy, and was able to keep up with them. Like the end of last season, I think Backlund has the ability to be that player this season for the Flames. He doesn't need to miraculously turn into a PPG Center. (though that would be fantastic!) He simply needs to be a solid two-way center and bring energy and complement Iggy and Tangs offensively. Winning Faceoffs consistently would be great and much needed as well.

I agree that Moss has become expendable. I don't know whether Calgary has a 2nd rounder though and if we do, I'm not all that keen on giving it up for a short term fix that will not bear any fruit in the long run. The ideal would have been acquiring Steckel but apparently it made more sense to give up a 5th for Pierre I have too many last names Leblond than a 4th for Steckel. Weird, considering that Faceoffs have been a problem since...ever?
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#131 Baercheese

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Posted 13 November 2011 - 12:31 AM

I forgot we even have Leblond Posted Image

Fingers crossed here, but with the way Seguin's been playing, I think Krejci will be let go by the Bruins at the end of the year

With all the cap space that will be freed up after this year, HOPEFULLY we can make a solid pitch to him. A true playmaking, 2 way pivot with Iggy? Oh man.

I think Backlund would make a great #2 center. To me he just doesn't seem to have the offensive ability to be a #1, but that's just me.

And you're right, we should be trading for picks instead of getting rid of them. But, you gotta do whatever you can to improve the team.

Edited by Ryan Nugent-Hopkins, 13 November 2011 - 12:31 AM.

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Johnny Gaudreau>any Casucks

Edler, Markstrom, Hansen, 2nd round pick 2014 to Islanders for Ryan Strome, 5th overall pick 2014

This is fairly even as well.

 


#132 Teemu Selšnne

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Posted 13 November 2011 - 12:35 AM

I forgot we even have Leblond Posted Image

Fingers crossed here, but with the way Seguin's been playing, I think Krejci will be let go by the Bruins at the end of the year

With all the cap space that will be freed up after this year, HOPEFULLY we can make a solid pitch to him. A true playmaking, 2 way pivot with Iggy? Oh man.

I think Backlund would make a great #2 center. To me he just doesn't seem to have the offensive ability to be a #1, but that's just me.

And you're right, we should be trading for picks instead of getting rid of them. But, you gotta do whatever you can to improve the team.


The right step for Feaster would be to enter a re-build. Honestly, Iggy looked great most of last season, but he only has a year or two left at that level and CGY can't continu to build around him...

And why would Krejci (RFA) want to sign with the Flames? To play with Iginla for 1-3 years?
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#133 Baercheese

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Posted 13 November 2011 - 12:41 AM

The right step for Feaster would be to enter a re-build. Honestly, Iggy looked great most of last season, but he only has a year or two left at that level and CGY can't continu to build around him...

And why would Krejci (RFA) want to sign with the Flames? To play with Iginla for 1-3 years?

We lose a lot of deadweight at the end of the year. That's a lot of wiggle room to work with to ice a competitive team. Of course, great teams aren't built through free agency. But if we can add the right pieces, I think we can make a real push for maybe another year or 2, ala Iggy's time.

If that doesn't work out next year, then it is time to rebuild. That's my opinion.

Who knows, if the ship keeps sinking this year maybe it'll begin earlier. The problem in Calgary is that the higher brass doesn't want to tank it for a few years to get better. The pressure to succeed has always been there since the run in 04.

And Krejci is a UFA at the end of the year.
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Johnny Gaudreau>any Casucks

Edler, Markstrom, Hansen, 2nd round pick 2014 to Islanders for Ryan Strome, 5th overall pick 2014

This is fairly even as well.

 


#134 Teemu Selšnne

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Posted 13 November 2011 - 12:48 AM

We lose a lot of deadweight at the end of the year. That's a lot of wiggle room to work with to ice a competitive team. Of course, great teams aren't built through free agency. But if we can add the right pieces, I think we can make a real push for maybe another year or 2, ala Iggy's time.

If that doesn't work out next year, then it is time to rebuild. That's my opinion.

Who knows, if the ship keeps sinking this year maybe it'll begin earlier. The problem in Calgary is that the higher brass doesn't want to tank it for a few years to get better. The pressure to succeed has always been there since the run in 04.

And Krejci is a UFA at the end of the year.


Krejci: NHLNUMBERS & CAPGEEK RFA.

I doubt the Flames can make a real push for the cup, maybe they could make a real push for 2nd round of the playoffs, but really that's a horrible goal. And trading Iggy at this year's deadline could at least bring them some real solid future assets.

Edit: Like I posted on the last page, CGY has a lot more trade-able assets (and more valuable ones) this year, than they will next, so they should just get the show on the road.

Edited by Thomas Gradin, 13 November 2011 - 12:50 AM.

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Posted 13 November 2011 - 12:55 AM

Krejci: NHLNUMBERS & CAPGEEK RFA.

I doubt the Flames can make a real push for the cup, maybe they could make a real push for 2nd round of the playoffs, but really that's a horrible goal. And trading Iggy at this year's deadline could at least bring them some real solid future assets.

I have no idea why I kept thinking Krejci is a UFA all this time, lol my bad

:bigblush:

It's pointless to argue a rebuild this early into the season. No one plays the game to lose. Who knows? Anything can happen.

Iggy will definitely net something significant back though

Iggy for 1st and Bennett/Despres
Iggy for Toffoli

Would you if you were the opposite team?

The Toffoli trade can be interesting. Sort of like Nieuwendyk trade back then, except Iggy is Joe this time :P
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Johnny Gaudreau>any Casucks

Edler, Markstrom, Hansen, 2nd round pick 2014 to Islanders for Ryan Strome, 5th overall pick 2014

This is fairly even as well.

 


#136 Teemu Selšnne

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Posted 13 November 2011 - 01:04 AM

I have no idea why I kept thinking Krejci is a UFA all this time, lol my bad

:bigblush:

It's pointless to argue a rebuild this early into the season. No one plays the game to lose. Who knows? Anything can happen.

Iggy will definitely net something significant back though

Iggy for 1st and Bennett/Despres
Iggy for Toffoli

Would you if you were the opposite team?

The Toffoli trade can be interesting. Sort of like Nieuwendyk trade back then, except Iggy is Joe this time :P


It kind of depends on the team. For example, L.A. already has Dustin Brown to kind of fill the top line power forward role, so they might not move such a big prospect. However, maybe they would, because Lombardi has been waiting forever to become a real contender.

Maybe Carter Ashton + Steve Downie + 2nd? Tampa has the cap space, Iggy & Yzerman have some sort of relationship from the Olympics & Vinny - Iggy would give them a real solid 2nd line. With Connolly lookin' good, Ashton might be expendable.

That would be the biggest problem with trading Iggy - his 7,000,000 dollar cap hit. The team has to want Iggy real bad to give up depth + future assets for him.
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#137 Teemu Selšnne

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Posted 13 November 2011 - 01:10 AM

With the way Carter has been lighting up the AHL though, who knows. If I were a CGY fan though, I'd be hoping Feaster was given the green light to begin the rebuild.
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#138 Baercheese

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Posted 13 November 2011 - 01:11 AM

It kind of depends on the team. For example, L.A. already has Dustin Brown to kind of fill the top line power forward role, so they might not move such a big prospect. However, maybe they would, because Lombardi has been waiting forever to become a real contender.

Maybe Carter Ashton + Steve Downie + 2nd? Tampa has the cap space, Iggy & Yzerman have some sort of relationship from the Olympics & Vinny - Iggy would give them a real solid 2nd line. With Connolly lookin' good, Ashton might be expendable.

That would be the biggest problem with trading Iggy - his 7,000,000 dollar cap hit. The team has to want Iggy real bad to give up depth + future assets for him.

In all fairness, Brown is not a finisher like Iggy. I'd even say not at all.

Again, we'll see.

Man, does it ever feel good to talk hockey with someone that knows the game.


It's also worth noting that Bartschi has 30 points in 13 games so far in Portland. So far so good, Mr. Feaster.
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Johnny Gaudreau>any Casucks

Edler, Markstrom, Hansen, 2nd round pick 2014 to Islanders for Ryan Strome, 5th overall pick 2014

This is fairly even as well.

 


#139 Teemu Selšnne

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Posted 13 November 2011 - 01:24 AM

In all fairness, Brown is not a finisher like Iggy. I'd even say not at all.

Again, we'll see.

Man, does it ever feel good to talk hockey with someone that knows the game.


It's also worth noting that Bartschi has 30 points in 13 games so far in Portland. So far so good, Mr. Feaster.


Sven is a fantastic prospect.

Personally, I've always imagined Iggy being moved to Pittsburgh and finishing off his career having some success + a cup with Crosby. With Neal looking good, and Crosby looking like he'll come back, maybe the Flames could somehow make a deal for Jordan Staal. It might be pushing it, but it would finally give Crosby a great winger and they had some good chemistry on the Olympic team (and no, not just the 'Golden Goal').

Kunitz - Crosby - Iginla
Neal - Malkin - Dupuis/Kennedy

That is a pretty solid top-6 for the next 2-3 years, good toughness, good skill level, good compete level and some real finish.

Baertschi - Staal - ______
Horak - Backlund - _______
Howse - Reinhart - Holland

I don't know, just trading away Iginla would really kickstart the rebuild for CGY and it wouldn't take too long if they start at the right time.

The Battles of Alberta would really be great in 4-5 years too.
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Posted 13 November 2011 - 01:29 AM

And if we tank it we can grab Filip Forsberg/Alex Galchenyuk. Not bad

Jordan Staal is out of reach though Posted Image
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Johnny Gaudreau>any Casucks

Edler, Markstrom, Hansen, 2nd round pick 2014 to Islanders for Ryan Strome, 5th overall pick 2014

This is fairly even as well.

 


#141 Teemu Selšnne

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Posted 13 November 2011 - 11:05 AM

And if we tank it we can grab Filip Forsberg/Alex Galchenyuk. Not bad

Jordan Staal is out of reach though Posted Image


Yeah probably, but he is an UFA in two summers. Pittsburgh really can't expect to keep Crosby - Malkin - Staal forever, can they? I bet Staal will be want his chance to be a 1st liner, too. If he keeps his pace for the rest of the season he'll get 44 goals/66 points, last season he was on pace for 22 goals/60 points, the year before his injury he had 41/49 of his points even strength (Malkin only had 46). With his PK and defensive abilities, his playoff experience and generally being able to score no matter who is on his line, Ray Shero knows Staal can command 5.25+ on the open market, and who knows if he wants to take a discount on a team where he will never be on the 1st line and be able to really showcase himself - because honestly, he has the potential to put up Kesler like numbers if he wasn't a 2nd/3rd liner in Pittsburgh with heavy defense-first abilities. (For example, last season Staal spent 5% of his ice time against Kovalchuk and his quality of competition was generally more difficult than even Ryan Kesler's).

Plus, Staal's size and physicality? The kid has it all, and eventually Pittsburgh has to give up one of Staal, Malkin or Crosby - or be prepared to lose some serious depth.

Staal's contract will generally be going up, whereas Iggy's will be going down. Of course there would probably have to be more to the package. Just like the Joe for Jarome package, Corey Millen also went to the Flames and he was coming off seasons of 41 points/46 games, 39 points/42 games, 50 points/79 games, 23 points/45 games and at the same had 7 points in 13 games for Dallas.
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#142 Baercheese

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Posted 13 November 2011 - 11:35 AM

I just have a feeling that with Malkin's banged up knee, he will be the odd man out.

Just a hunch
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Johnny Gaudreau>any Casucks

Edler, Markstrom, Hansen, 2nd round pick 2014 to Islanders for Ryan Strome, 5th overall pick 2014

This is fairly even as well.

 


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Posted 13 November 2011 - 11:52 AM

I have no idea why I kept thinking Krejci is a UFA all this time, lol my bad

:bigblush:

It's pointless to argue a rebuild this early into the season. No one plays the game to lose. Who knows? Anything can happen.

Iggy will definitely net something significant back though

Iggy for 1st and Bennett/Despres
Iggy for Toffoli


Would you if you were the opposite team?

The Toffoli trade can be interesting. Sort of like Nieuwendyk trade back then, except Iggy is Joe this time :P


Flames fans seem to overvalue Iggy too much at this stage of his career.

IMO, a 1st Round pick and a prospect is kind of overpaying for a guy who is on the downside of an illustrious career.

His cap hit is going to be a problem, as well. Calgary are not so much trading a player as they are trading an albatross of a contract. $7 million is a big hit for anyone other than Colorado, the Islanders, Nashville, Dallas, Carolina, maybe Ottawa.

Nashville makes the most sense, to me, if he is moved. They have $14.7 million+ in cap space and some interesting looking prospects.

Trading Iggy at this point will be no more than a salary dump for Feaster. I'm betting Iginla finishes his contract, and most likely his career, in Cowtown.

Looking at the rest of the Flames player's contracts, they are screwed for some some time, cap wise.

Bourque, Stajan and Tanguay are all signed until at least the end of the 13-14 season with $3 million plus contracts and NTC's. Throw in Glencross at $2.5 million for the next four years and Jokinen at $3 million for this season and you are in a huge mess! Both of these gut also have NTC's. Hagman in the minors at $3 million! Holy crap!

The list continues with Kipper ($5.8M), Giordano (4.0M) and JBo (6.7M) and you are in a heap more trouble, financially. Unless some of these guys are willing to waive their NTC's, the Flame's core is going to look pretty similar for the next 3 years or so. Some of them may be moved to teams that are struggling to reach the ceiling, but I see that as unlikely.

A complete re-build is needed, but is going to be difficult due to all of the asinine long term, high cap contracts that have been signed recently.

Have fun, Jay!

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Posted 13 November 2011 - 12:04 PM

I just have a feeling that with Malkin's banged up knee, he will be the odd man out.

Just a hunch


Yeah, it is very possible. And unfortunately (for CGY) Malkin's price tag would probably be out of Feaster's reach.


Trading Iggy at this point will be no more than a salary dump for Feaster. I'm betting Iginla finishes his contract, and most likely his career, in Cowtown.


What point are you talking about exactly? Iggy just came off a 43 goal season (his best since 2007-2008 and better than ANY Canuck) and unlike a lot of aging players, Iggy isn't very injury prone. Also, Iggy almost carried his horrible horrible team into the playoffs last year. Minus Iggy, CGY would have been one of the worst teams in the league..
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Posted 13 November 2011 - 12:18 PM

^^^

Year after year all the doubters come out and say Iggy is done, washed up, blah blah blah

and year after year Iggy prove those doubters wrong with literally NO ONE to play with

Iggy may not be worth his 50 goal form, but he's still worth more than you give him credit for.

Of course, in this salary cap era, moving him will be that a bit difficult. But if the opposite team is getting Iggy back, I think it will do whatever it takes to make room for him.

You are right about the salary situation, but like I said, around 10 mil comes off the book at the end of the year. You take whatever you can. Hagman, Stempniak, Moss, Sarich, and even Hannan, all pending UFAs. If we're not doing much around the deadline, I can't see Feaster NOT trading them for some assets. By all means, theys are all very serviceable players to any playoff team looking for depth. Again, you take whatever you can get.

And with the way Bourque's been playing, it's easy to assume that it won't be hard to get him to waive his NTC

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This is fairly even as well.

 


#146 Hugemanskost

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Posted 13 November 2011 - 02:29 PM

^^^

Year after year all the doubters come out and say Iggy is done, washed up, blah blah blah

and year after year Iggy prove those doubters wrong with literally NO ONE to play with

Iggy may not be worth his 50 goal form, but he's still worth more than you give him credit for.

Of course, in this salary cap era, moving him will be that a bit difficult. But if the opposite team is getting Iggy back, I think it will do whatever it takes to make room for him.

You are right about the salary situation, but like I said, around 10 mil comes off the book at the end of the year. You take whatever you can. Hagman, Stempniak, Moss, Sarich, and even Hannan, all pending UFAs. If we're not doing much around the deadline, I can't see Feaster NOT trading them for some assets. By all means, theys are all very serviceable players to any playoff team looking for depth. Again, you take whatever you can get.

And with the way Bourque's been playing, it's easy to assume that it won't be hard to get him to waive his NTC


I am a big Jarome Iginla fan. He is not just an NHL star but an international star, as well.

With that said, at 35 years old on Free Agent day 2012, I just don't see too many buyers willing, or able, to take on a $7 million cap hit for a player whose game is in decline. Yes, he had a bounce back last season after a not-so-hot 09-10, but, do you really see his game improving over the course of his remaining career?

I'm no hockey expert, but, taking on a $7 million salary and giving up prospects, picks and / or roster players doesn't seem realistic to me.

What do you see as a fair price for Iggy, RNH?

Also, what do you see happening with the "core" in the future?

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Posted 15 November 2011 - 10:38 PM

Flames stunk it up again.
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Posted 16 November 2011 - 10:42 AM

I think statistically, Flames are as bad or worse as they were last year.

Who would have thought...you come back with the same team, and they perform the same way? Strange, huh?


They're currently 24th in the league for shots/game with 27.5, and their average went up after firing 39 at the Senators. When you have as few natural goalscorers as they do, you need to generate more opportunities than that.
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Posted 16 November 2011 - 03:58 PM

No team in their right mind will part with a first rounder for Iginla this year. Next years trade deadline may be different. As he will be a UFA by summer 2013. He will fetch more for Calgary in 2013 than he will next February. My guess is he will be there all year unless some bonehead GM makes a ridiculous offer Feaster can't refuse. (Glenn Sather)
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Posted 16 November 2011 - 05:33 PM

They're currently 24th in the league for shots/game with 27.5, and their average went up after firing 39 at the Senators. When you have as few natural goalscorers as they do, you need to generate more opportunities than that.



Actually, they have Iginla (35-40 goal scorer), Rene Bourque (27-30 goal scorer), David Moss (20 goal scorer) and Curtis Glencross (20+ goal scoring abilities). Plus Stemphniak who are ALL shoot first players.

The problem with the flames isn't just a lack of natural goalscorers, it is a lack of ANYTHING good.

Cap reasons aside, Kipper, Iginla, Tanguay, and Gio and maybe one of their streaky wingers (Glencross/Moss/Bourque) are the only players that would for sure fit on a Canucks healthy roster. CAP REASONS ASIDE. That is pathetic.
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