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Posted 22 October 2011 - 02:49 PM

Some of those goalies were decent but not on our team.


You can back-up Luongo all you want but not everybody is going to be a fan of his so STFU.
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Posted 22 October 2011 - 03:41 PM

LUONGO!!
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Posted 22 October 2011 - 03:48 PM

Cloutier played fine in the regular season, his numbers were good. So the Canucks should have dominated in the regular season back then like they did last season, right? Don't kid yourself, they were a one-line team.

The truth is that Naslund and Bertuzzi couldn't hold a candle to the great players of the early 2000's and even with Roy, Brodeur and Hasek on the Canucks, they still wouldn't have been Cup Favourites, they weren't deep enough. Compare the Canucks of that era to Dallas, Detroit or Colorado and it becomes apparent quickly.


Couldn't hold a candle to the great players of the early 2000's?

Those very same great players of the early 2000's voted Markus Naslund the league MVP.

If I recall, they were also both first team all-stars. MAYBE one of them only got 2nd team - I can't recall for sure. But a post-season All Star berth probably qualifies as 'holding a candle'...
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Posted 22 October 2011 - 03:53 PM

Cloutier played fine in the regular season, his numbers were good. So the Canucks should have dominated in the regular season back then like they did last season, right? Don't kid yourself, they were a one-line team.

The truth is that Naslund and Bertuzzi couldn't hold a candle to the great players of the early 2000's and even with Roy, Brodeur and Hasek on the Canucks, they still wouldn't have been Cup Favourites, they weren't deep enough. Compare the Canucks of that era to Dallas, Detroit or Colorado and it becomes apparent quickly.


Anyway, I will give you that Cloutier played fine during the regular season.

However, all experts seemed to unanimously agree that he was not an elite goaltender by his constant absence from all-star lineups, Vezina voting and so on.

In the regular season, he was fine. But I wouldn't go much further than that. Philadelphia's goalie graveyard includes men who were better than Cloutier in both the regular season and in the playoffs.
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Posted 22 October 2011 - 03:56 PM

to whoever compared naslund and bertuzzi to the sedins.....sorry but they weren't even close to the sedins

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Posted 22 October 2011 - 04:02 PM

to whoever compared naslund and bertuzzi to the sedins.....sorry but they weren't even close to the sedins


That was me and yes, at their peak, they really were close.

2nd and 3rd in league scoring I believe, with a Pearson / Lindsay Trophy.

Are the Sedins on such a pedestal now that we would consider a 2nd and 3rd place finish in the scoring race a massively disappointing season for them?

Edited by Kevin Biestra, 22 October 2011 - 04:05 PM.

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Posted 22 October 2011 - 04:14 PM

The difference is the sedins do it year after year and a lindsay doesnt compare to an art ross

Dont get me wrong wce was fun but their +/- was unacceptable and could never lead to a cup

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Posted 22 October 2011 - 04:40 PM

The difference is the sedins do it year after year and a lindsay doesnt compare to an art ross

Dont get me wrong wce was fun but their +/- was unacceptable and could never lead to a cup


The Sedins have now done it twice, not 'year after year.'

And a Pearson / Lindsay doesn't compare to an Art Ross? Really? I would be interested in how the NHL players feel about that. On top of which, Forsberg beat Naslund for the Art Ross by 1 or 2 points that year, maybe 3.

Anyway, I guess we agree to disagree.
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Posted 22 October 2011 - 09:35 PM

We're lucky to even have luongo.

And using the Cory Schnieder argument doesn't make sense because he hasn't had the pressure of being the #1 in Vancouver.
Nobody can claim he is the answer because he hasn't had that shot yet. Sure he plays great as a backup but we still need to see if he can handle the pressure of
being THE guy.

here's a idea: they're both awesome and we should be thankful to have them.

Finally someone that knows hockey both are great goalies so cheer them both on
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Posted 22 October 2011 - 10:39 PM

The Sedins have now done it twice, not 'year after year.'

And a Pearson / Lindsay doesn't compare to an Art Ross? Really? I would be interested in how the NHL players feel about that. On top of which, Forsberg beat Naslund for the Art Ross by 1 or 2 points that year, maybe 3.

Anyway, I guess we agree to disagree.


NHL players would tell you that they respect players who perform in big games. The Sedins already have more hardware than Naslund and have helped the Canucks win more regular season AND playoff hardware than Naslund, and their careers aren't even close to over yet.

Sedins EACH have an Art Ross and there's no SCF, no President's Trophy or any of the glory that comes along with it without them.

Considering the Canucks already raised Naslund's number to the rafters, they will have to find a much more glorious retirement for the twins when the time comes, perhaps they can name the arena after them.
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Posted 22 October 2011 - 10:48 PM

Couldn't hold a candle to the great players of the early 2000's?

Those very same great players of the early 2000's voted Markus Naslund the league MVP.

If I recall, they were also both first team all-stars. MAYBE one of them only got 2nd team - I can't recall for sure. But a post-season All Star berth probably qualifies as 'holding a candle'...



Would you put Naslund or Bertuzzi with the likes of Sakic? or Yzerman? How about Iginla? I don't even think Naslund measures up to the likes of Alfredsson, Brad Richards, Marian Hossa or Lecavalier, and they weren't even the greatest players of the 2000s. All of these guys have contributed to championships or at least deep playoff runs, Naslund was the best Canuck at the time, but he wasn't a real NHL hero. You need to do something in the playoffs to accomplish that. Sorry.
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Posted 22 October 2011 - 10:52 PM

At least Schneider and Lack are less likely to pull a choke job against Chicago, and Game 6 of the Stanley Cup Finals.


wow, i didn't know the hawks were in the eastern conference
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Posted 22 October 2011 - 10:55 PM

Would you put Naslund or Bertuzzi with the likes of Sakic? or Yzerman? How about Iginla? I don't even think Naslund measures up to the likes of Alfredsson, Brad Richards, Marian Hossa or Lecavalier, and they weren't even the greatest players of the 2000s. All of these guys have contributed to championships or at least deep playoff runs, Naslund was the best Canuck at the time, but he wasn't a real NHL hero. You need to do something in the playoffs to accomplish that. Sorry.


During that three year stretch, yes I absolutely would. During Naslund's Pearson year, he was better than all the players you named (in that year).

When it's all said and done, has his career measured up to Sakic, Yzerman or Iginla? Of course not, but I never suggested anything of the sort.

However, he may well be on par with Hossa and Lecavalier.

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Posted 22 October 2011 - 10:57 PM

Would you put Naslund or Bertuzzi with the likes of Sakic? or Yzerman? How about Iginla? I don't even think Naslund measures up to the likes of Alfredsson, Brad Richards, Marian Hossa or Lecavalier, and they weren't even the greatest players of the 2000s. All of these guys have contributed to championships or at least deep playoff runs, Naslund was the best Canuck at the time, but he wasn't a real NHL hero. You need to do something in the playoffs to accomplish that. Sorry.


Also, your logic at the end basically dismisses the careers of Marcel Dionne, Dale Hawerchuk, Peter Stastny, Michel Goulet...
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Posted 22 October 2011 - 11:22 PM

It is easy to say it wasnn't the goalies fault if the team loses 1-0 but what fans don't understand is how momentum works. If only that save was made maybe the team gets pumped up and pops a couple. Every action has an equal reaction. If you play hockey you know this.
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Posted 22 October 2011 - 11:47 PM

Didn' "red Light Racicoe" have a brief stint with the Canucks? too Bad that nickname is taken.
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Posted 23 October 2011 - 01:34 PM

Would you put Naslund or Bertuzzi with the likes of Sakic? or Yzerman? How about Iginla? I don't even think Naslund measures up to the likes of Alfredsson, Brad Richards, Marian Hossa or Lecavalier, and they weren't even the greatest players of the 2000s. All of these guys have contributed to championships or at least deep playoff runs, Naslund was the best Canuck at the time, but he wasn't a real NHL hero. You need to do something in the playoffs to accomplish that. Sorry.


well said.
naslund was a choke artist just like luongo.
the team has been much better without naslund and could be so much better without luongo.
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Posted 23 October 2011 - 01:49 PM

well said.
naslund was a choke artist just like luongo.
the team has been much better without naslund and could be so much better without luongo.


Naslund is up there with linden for a reason
:sick: Naslund had half the team we have now and he still managed to get over 100 points
Your a idiot, Naslund did nothing but amazing things for this team. You obviously have only been a fan for short time :picard: You should find a new team to make dumb comment's for.
end of discussion.
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Posted 23 October 2011 - 02:03 PM

well said.
naslund was a choke artist just like luongo.
the team has been much better without naslund and could be so much better without luongo.


You are setting yourself up for this one... not that I didn't warn you
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Posted 23 October 2011 - 02:33 PM

well said.
naslund was a choke artist just like luongo.
the team has been much better without naslund and could be so much better without luongo.

wait what
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Posted 23 October 2011 - 02:40 PM

Freedum of speak, or here type.If you don't like what others say you should just not reply.Luo deserves whatever he gets as he makes more then anyone on the team,yet has player poor, so yes if people want to call him out and say bad things it is there right and I agree with some of it.
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Posted 23 October 2011 - 02:44 PM

Naslund is up there with linden for a reason
:sick: Naslund had half the team we have now and he still managed to get over 100 points
Your a idiot, Naslund did nothing but amazing things for this team. You obviously have only been a fan for short time :picard: You should find a new team to make dumb comment's for.
end of discussion.



I have to say at the time Naslund had the best line in hockey, a decent goalie, good D, so you are wrong, he just couldnt play in the playoff's and was not a good leader.If it was up to me his number wouldnt be in the rafters.I have watched the canucks for over 30 years and naslund yes was good, but wasnt great by any means at all.How many playoff's did we win with him as captain???Regular season he was good, anything more he FAILED big time!!!
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Posted 23 October 2011 - 02:49 PM

Freedum of speak, or here type.If you don't like what others say you should just not reply.Luo deserves whatever he gets as he makes more then anyone on the team,yet has player poor, so yes if people want to call him out and say bad things it is there right and I agree with some of it.


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Posted 23 October 2011 - 04:23 PM

hey luongo haters remember these guys
Dan Cloutier
Félix Potvin
Kevin Weekes
Sean Burke
Alex Auld
Bob Essensa
Johan Hedberg
Corey Hirsch
Arturs Irbe
Mika Noronen
Maxime Ouellet
Garth Snow
Kay Whitmore

bunch on ungrateful fans are dumping on luongo
hes is the elite goaltender that we were crying about for so many years
nonis made the biggest trade in canucks history
LUONGO IS A GOD ...... VANCOUVER went from a GOALIE GRAVE YARD to a GOALIE HEAVEN

and those fans at the game, only time they made any kind of noise at all was to hate on luuuu
HOW BOUT CHEERING DURING THE GAME WHEN UR DOWN AND GETTING BEHIND UR TEAM, instead of eating sushi in ur company seats

and to all the people saying trade luuuu .....ok fine lets say it happens
schnieder and lack combo means the canucks will still lack a cup at the end of the year


Excellent post. It is unfortunate that posts like the above are so few and far between. Beautifully said and sadly..accurate as all hell.
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Posted 26 April 2012 - 12:40 PM

Let's cut the crap here with all this smooshy, weak and whiny West Coast attitude of "Ohhh poooor such and such"

Luongo's regular season stats vs. Cloutiers are not nearly worth what he is being paid.

Luongo has proven he is not able to close the deal in the playoffs, just like Cloutier.

Luongo deserves the flak he is taking.

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Posted 26 April 2012 - 12:41 PM

hey luongo haters remember these guys
Dan Cloutier
Félix Potvin
Kevin Weekes
Sean Burke
Alex Auld
Bob Essensa
Johan Hedberg
Corey Hirsch
Arturs Irbe
Mika Noronen
Maxime Ouellet
Garth Snow
Kay Whitmore

bunch on ungrateful fans are dumping on luongo
hes is the elite goaltender that we were crying about for so many years
nonis made the biggest trade in canucks history
LUONGO IS A GOD ...... VANCOUVER went from a GOALIE GRAVE YARD to a GOALIE HEAVEN

and those fans at the game, only time they made any kind of noise at all was to hate on luuuu
HOW BOUT CHEERING DURING THE GAME WHEN UR DOWN AND GETTING BEHIND UR TEAM, instead of eating sushi in ur company seats

and to all the people saying trade luuuu .....ok fine lets say it happens
schnieder and lack combo means the canucks will still lack a cup at the end of the year


we remind ourselves of this list every day... but johnny come lately fans just don't get it :(
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Posted 26 April 2012 - 12:49 PM

we remind ourselves of this list every day... but johnny come lately fans just don't get it :(


The dummies will have to learn the hard way.
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If you like looking at statistics to determine who's better, you're just a casual fan.

2.41 season GAA isn't very impressive. Let's not get into playoffs and his SV%.

Cory Schneider is the next Patrick Roy.


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Posted 26 April 2012 - 01:36 PM

GUYS!!! STOP HATEING ON NÄSLUND!!! He was one of te best, if not THE best player the first five years of the 21th century. Look at his goal production: 36, 27, 41, 40, 48, 35 and 32.

Don't come here and say he didn't do it season after season.
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Posted 26 April 2012 - 02:44 PM

We hung on to Cloutier far too long to avoid that Graveyard Stigma.

Seriously, on that list, it just shows that we were bad at picking up goalies, not fans driving anyone out. That's a pretty horrible list of horribleness.
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Posted 26 April 2012 - 02:52 PM

We hung on to Cloutier far too long to avoid that Graveyard Stigma.


5 years? He had a winning record for 4 of those years.
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