Tortorella's Rant Posted August 21, 2012 Share Posted August 21, 2012 Money talks, plain and simple. And most FA's knows that Canucks are the cheapest organization and try to pinch every penny when signing players. The salary cap is a big issue, but the Canucks would have had plenty of salary cap if Luongo wasn't signed to that untouchable contract that everyone stays away from. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nuck nit Posted August 21, 2012 Share Posted August 21, 2012 'Also the signings of Ehrhoff, Hamhuis, Malhotra, Torres, Samuelsson were all significant. Everyone of those players were highly sought after free agents." fiveminutesinthebox Ehrhoff was traded for so had no choice but to come here. Hamhuis is a local boy and wanted to come here for family reasons. Malholtra? Ditto. Wife is from Victoria. Torres? Come on,Gillis blew it.He was the only real hard hitter feared by opponents. Samuelsson is very vocal on Canucks management. I have his quote on my page. That is another move that Gillis blew,IMO.He destroyed team chemistry/relationships and traded for a head injured liability with $1.75 million more on the cap hit. Looking closer at your list we have three players Gillis should have kept -and could not or did not- along with two players that came here for their own interests. Plan the parade route. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5minutesinthebox Posted August 21, 2012 Share Posted August 21, 2012 'Also the signings of Ehrhoff, Hamhuis, Malhotra, Torres, Samuelsson were all significant. Everyone of those players were highly sought after free agents." fiveminutesinthebox Ehrhoff was traded for so had no choice but to come here. Hamhuis is a local boy and wanted to come here for family reasons. Malholtra? Ditto. Wife is from Victoria. Torres? Come on,Gillis blew it.He was the only real hard hitter feared by opponents. Samuelsson is very vocal on Canucks management. I have his quote on my page. That is another move that Gillis blew,IMO.He destroyed team chemistry/relationships and traded for a head injured liability with $1.75 million more on the cap hit. Looking closer at your list we have three players Gillis should have kept -and could not or did not- along with two players that came here for their own interests. Plan the parade route. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tortorella's Rant Posted August 21, 2012 Share Posted August 21, 2012 'Also the signings of Ehrhoff, Hamhuis, Malhotra, Torres, Samuelsson were all significant. Everyone of those players were highly sought after free agents." fiveminutesinthebox Ehrhoff was traded for so had no choice but to come here. Hamhuis is a local boy and wanted to come here for family reasons. Malholtra? Ditto. Wife is from Victoria. Torres? Come on,Gillis blew it.He was the only real hard hitter feared by opponents. Samuelsson is very vocal on Canucks management. I have his quote on my page. That is another move that Gillis blew,IMO.He destroyed team chemistry/relationships and traded for a head injured liability with $1.75 million more on the cap hit. Looking closer at your list we have three players Gillis should have kept -and could not or did not- along with two players that came here for their own interests. Plan the parade route. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SamJamIam Posted August 21, 2012 Share Posted August 21, 2012 Looking closer at your list we have three players Gillis should have kept -and could not or did not- along with two players that came here for their own interests. Plan the parade route. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nuck nit Posted August 21, 2012 Share Posted August 21, 2012 I actually plainly said that Ehrhoff was traded for. Whether Hamhuis and Malhotra are from here is completely irrelevant. They were high sought after free agents that were signed. Torres wanted more than we were willing to offer, and as great as Torres was for us, he was also a liabilty half the time. See his lengthy sheet of getting suspended. Ehrhoff took the money and ran, plain and simple. We could not have offered him that contract nor should we have. He was offered the same money as Hamhuis (who is much more valuable) and he turned it down. Samuelsson was becoming injury prone, (see him missing half of the playoffs) and playing only 54 games for the Panthers. Your so called argument, whatever is was supposed to be, is missing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nuck nit Posted August 21, 2012 Share Posted August 21, 2012 So in your mind every player who left could have been retained? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gollumpus Posted August 21, 2012 Share Posted August 21, 2012 Torres? Come on,Gillis blew it.He was the only real hard hitter feared by opponents. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonshinefe Posted August 21, 2012 Share Posted August 21, 2012 Hardcore Canuck fan here to ask some questions, ..please dont troll I would like to have an honest conversation. Can you please answer me this question, why would any High Valued Free Agent, possibly the missing piece to our Stanley Cup puzzle, ever want to sign/waive NTC to play for the Canucks. The "fans" treat the team like crap, there is always a scapregoat! ALWAYS!, last year it was Bieksa this year its Luongo. We jeer the guy who took us to game 7 of the Stanley Cup Finals, a guy who won the Jennings Award last year and had a CAREER YEAR? a guys who got 2 SHUTOUTS in the Finals. Exhausted from the Months of playoff battle wearing the Canuck uniform proudly only to have a short summer, 2 pre season games and now we crucify him for not playing up to our standards. Is he playing like crap, yep, does he deserve this disrespect? hell no. Back to the point tho, Who was the last big big free agent player the Canucks grabbed, and im talking about non previous Canuck players so the Sedins, Bieksa etc dont count. Highly Ranked UFA's...hmmm Hamhuis? Samuelsson? Malhotra?...Messier??? No superstar will ever sign here, why should they??? Do you not think that the whole league doesn't see how Vancouver fans treat the team like garbage? and put them in such scrutiny and judgement. They're "professionals" you say, well I say they are humans...NOBODY wants to play in this environment, its an environement where players are set up to fail instead of succeed. Vancouver has been filled with nothing but negativity. Let's say we make everyones wish come true and we trade Luongo! GREAT! its Schneider Time! Cory Scneider has 1 year left of RFA status then he can choose not to re-sign a contract and walk away from the Canucks!! Do you really think Schneider will want to sign here after seeing what just happened to Luongo?? "for a guy who has done more for this franchise than any other goalie probably in the history of the team you'd think he'd get a bit more slack or some leeway before the fans get on him" -Cory Schneider Shea Webber to Vancouver next year!!??? why? so he can be humiliated in front of his family and friends day in and day out if he so happens to hit a rut like most players do? And if you think this is a Luongo thing its not, like I said we treat our stars like garbage, Bieksa last year, Sedins in previous years, Naslund in his twilight years, even the great Captain Kirk Maclean in the mid 90's was treated like crap. Even Bure asked for a trade (management issues supposodely)... So back to the question, why would any player want to sign/waive NTC to come to Vancouver?? to win a cup?? theres 8 other teams they can do that for and not have to go thru this. If you're a pending Unrestricted Free Agent lets say the likes of; Doan, Semin, Webber, Parise etc etc...what do you see? A fan base known for rioting, a fanbase that constantly treat their own players like crap and puts an immense amount of pressure, a building soooo quiet, a travel schedule incomparable to any and a scrutiny from fanbase and media that can abolish a career. So people can talk all they want about nice dressing rooms and sleep doctors and a province full of "fans" but that is not how the rest of league perceives the Canucks. So keep going Vancouver fans, the jeering and the negativity will surely end our 40+ years of misery! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gollumpus Posted August 21, 2012 Share Posted August 21, 2012 Your argument is plain -you state Gillis signed all these highly sought after free agents. True,and then he lost three of the five you mention and the two that remain have local ties and signed here regardless of Gillis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Onions Posted August 21, 2012 Share Posted August 21, 2012 1 year later, and as i predicted UFA's do not want to sign here! Canucks as a fanbase have a horrible reputatiion around other NHL players. - pressure packed market that scrutinizes every little thing - fans that always have a scapegoat every year including franchise players. -top 5 if not top 3 quietest arena in the nhl, I will be man enough to admit also that i was wrong about Schneider re-signing so quickly with the Nux. However, I did not know that management would allude to him that he is number 1 goalie and that hey will try and trade Luongo. Its no mistake that Nash didnt put us on his short list to be traded to, blah blah he didnt want to play for a Canadian team, well the other Canadian teams suck and arent considered playoff contender but why not Vancouver? I'll bump this next year too just in case you guys are holding your breath on Perry, Getzlaf, Iginla, Hartnell,Zajac, Roy etc!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dildo Faggins Posted August 21, 2012 Share Posted August 21, 2012 Big name players are wise to steer clear away from this team, if they want a good chance of winning the cup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nuck nit Posted August 21, 2012 Share Posted August 21, 2012 As I see it, of the guys being discussed, the Canucks have signed and/or kept, the best two of these "highly sought after free agents". I'm thinking that Garrison and Booth (your favorite head injury player) will show this season that they are worth what they are getting. A personal mantra? regards, G. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winacup Posted August 21, 2012 Share Posted August 21, 2012 philosophy is useless, theology is worse..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gollumpus Posted August 21, 2012 Share Posted August 21, 2012 philosophy is useless, theology is worse..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carlweezer Posted August 21, 2012 Author Share Posted August 21, 2012 Big name players are wise to steer clear away from this team, if they want a good chance of winning the cup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Where's Wellwood Posted August 21, 2012 Share Posted August 21, 2012 1 year later, and as i predicted UFA's do not want to sign here! Canucks as a fanbase have a horrible reputatiion around other NHL players. - pressure packed market that scrutinizes every little thing - fans that always have a scapegoat every year including franchise players. -top 5 if not top 3 quietest arena in the nhl, I will be man enough to admit also that i was wrong about Schneider re-signing so quickly with the Nux. However, I did not know that management would allude to him that he is number 1 goalie and that hey will try and trade Luongo. Its no mistake that Nash didnt put us on his short list to be traded to, blah blah he didnt want to play for a Canadian team, well the other Canadian teams suck and arent considered playoff contender but why not Vancouver? I'll bump this next year too just in case you guys are holding your breath on Perry, Getzlaf, Iginla, Hartnell,Zajac, Roy etc!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baggins Posted August 21, 2012 Share Posted August 21, 2012 He makes 5.33. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baggins Posted August 21, 2012 Share Posted August 21, 2012 I like Booth as a person but as a player Gillis gambled on the wrong horse. Having had a similar medical history as Booth I know he is one hit or accident away from never playing hockey again. That's the way it is but the contract is pretty steep for a player with such a medical history. Either the Canucks medical staff are not educating Gillis.org mgmt. on the dangers of signing head injured players or the mgmt. listens and takes a chance as they have no idea what they have just been informed about. Either way,it is irresponsible and tells me that cool hand Mike is actually ill informed or ignorant on this issue. You trade the playoff proven performer,the Stanley Cup Winner,the glue in the Edler/Sedin equation and dump him for a multiple head injured player.Really astute move. Garrison is a player I am excited to see play and another free agent that came to Vancouver despite what some pro's are saying about the Nucks management. Gump,you should actually read a little more instead of just writing.I accept your apologies in advance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nuck nit Posted August 21, 2012 Share Posted August 21, 2012 So does that mean LA's GM was a misinformed idiot to sign Mitchell? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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