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#31 carlweezer

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Posted 20 October 2011 - 02:59 AM

So why would they think any other clubs are better?

Every player has their own different places they want to be, would be if they needed to, and don't want to be. Does Doan want to leave the organization he's been with his whole career? Nope. Does Semin want to leave the competitive team in Washington, playing with fellow Russian teammates and friends Backstrom and Ovechkin? Doubt it. Does Weber want to play somewhere else? Probably, but he was an RFA, so he doesn't count anyway. Parise? The Devils seemed to have to do everything they could to get him to stay; even made him Captain. And they still only re-signed him for one year.

Despite what you see, you don't see every city the way a player sees each city, and neither you nor I can say for sure. But I think I've hit the nail pretty close to the head. There's many more factors than the city and the team itself.


youve made good points but have yet to answer my questions.


1. Why would anyone want to sign here after seeing the fan scrutiny, treatment of star players, and most importantly no history of Vancouver being a championship team.... and please dont say we have nice dressing rooms and good management.

2. If Vancouver is such a desirable place to play then why have we not signed any high profiled player since messier...and I dont really count an almost 40 yr old sundin who paid 10 million for half a season.
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Posted 20 October 2011 - 03:05 AM

I don't think the original poster understands how hard it is for almost every team to sign stars unless they have the cap to do so. I'm sure every team could use a Brad Richards, but do you see every team going for him? Just because we didn't get a star doesn't mean we tried to get him. Maybe we're not just interested in the player or we don't want to waste that much cap signing a star player just for the sake of signing one. People always ask why don't we get certain players. It's not that easy, there's a lot of factors that go into it. You can't just trade players like you do in fantasy simulation games.

There is no reason for us last season to get a guy like Richards. We are already strong down the middle. This doesn't mean Richards didn't want to sign with us. We simply wouldn't have offered him anything.

Most players prefer to sign with their original teams because players don't like moving around and like stability. There really aren't a lot of "big stars" these days with UFAs because most are already resigned back with their original teams.
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Posted 20 October 2011 - 03:05 AM

Firstly I think the argument is flawed. Surely any big name player coming to a team like Vancouver is not going to assume he will bomb, so why should he worry about fan reaction. The only problem Vancouver seems to have is it's geographical position and yes that might influence some USA born players.

With regard to the fans I agree with the above posters, the fan base is massive world wide and is set to get even bigger in my view if they maintain their momentum.

Regarding the noise in the arena, there is a certain irony here because the only other similar accusation I have heard is constantly made at Manchester United. People in England put this down to their success filling their stadium with, shall we say "more well off fans" from around England who want to be associated with success.

The implication is they are too reserved to make too much noise compared to the working classes. Of course the season ticket prices may also lead to the stadium attracting that type of fan. Compare this with loud stadiums in working class places like Liverpool, Newcastle and Glasgow. I don't live in Canada so I don't know if there is any correlation.

A pschologist I suppose could advance this theory one step further and argue that this is also the reason why the fans react so badly to lack of success. They feel they need a successful team to go with their successful lifestyle. THE TEAM OWES IT TO THEM in their mind.

One criticism that I feel can't be levelled at this great hockey club is that their management and organisation is arguably not one of, if not the most advanced thinking and professional set ups in the league. I also applaud their fantastic links to the community and to the province.

Finally I would ask the OP where the evidence of players turning down a chance to come to Vancouver is. If he has evidence then have these players given reasons and if so what were they? (other than it's geographical position which is probably the only one I would accept with any validity)



My evidence is we havent signed a high ranked game breaking UFA in almost a decade. Im not sure what other evidence you want unless you are suggesting we never pursued game changing free agents because we dont need them.
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Posted 20 October 2011 - 03:07 AM

I don't think the original poster understands how hard it is for almost every team to sign stars unless they have the cap to do so. I'm sure every team could use a Brad Richards, but do you see every team going for him? Just because we didn't get a star doesn't mean we tried to get him. Maybe we're not just interested in the player or we don't want to waste that much cap signing a star player just for the sake of signing one. People always ask why don't we get certain players. It's not that easy, there's a lot of factors that go into it. You can't just trade players like you do in fantasy simulation games.

There is no reason for us last season to get a guy like Richards. We are already strong down the middle. This doesn't mean Richards didn't want to sign with us. We simply wouldn't have offered him anything.

Most players prefer to sign with their original teams because players don't like moving around and like stability. There really aren't a lot of "big stars" these days with UFAs because most are already resigned back with their original teams.



I'm not just referring to this off-season..Im talking about the last decade, perhaps longer.... and im trying to step out of the box and to look at Vancouver from an outside point of view and as myself...is it desirable for a UFA to come here and play under these conditions......
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Posted 20 October 2011 - 03:09 AM

youve made good points but have yet to answer my questions.


1. Why would anyone want to sign here after seeing the fan scrutiny, treatment of star players, and most importantly no history of Vancouver being a championship team.... and please dont say we have nice dressing rooms and good management.

2. If Vancouver is such a desirable place to play then why have we not signed any high profiled player since messier...and I dont really count an almost 40 yr old sundin who paid 10 million for half a season.


1. Because we have a very good, competitive team now and players want to win. For the record, I never said "because we have nice dressing rooms." I didn't say "good management" either; I said "logical and understanding." Big difference. "Good" is very vague.

2. Because we haven't had to and don't have the cap space for one. I already did answer this, in fact. To ice such a competitive team, we spend to the cap. If we were to sign a $7 million/year player, we would have to lose a very significant peace of the team that's gotten as within one win of the cup. Even in the past few years, we've addressed what we do need (fourth line center, higher profile defensemen, goaltending). Would we love to have another 80 point a season winger to play beside Kesler? Of course! But we don't need one. Pittsburgh and Detroit didn't need Hossa to win the cup (obviously, as they both lost with him). Chicago did because it gave them Toews, Kane, Hossa, and Sharp. We have the Sedins, Kesler, and Burrows. We don't need to add an extra Hossa.
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totally agree although i wouldnt have minded jvr in a 3 way.


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Posted 20 October 2011 - 03:15 AM

I'm not just referring to this off-season..Im talking about the last decade, perhaps longer.... and im trying to step out of the box and to look at Vancouver from an outside point of view and as myself...is it desirable for a UFA to come here and play under these conditions......


Well then, you'd have to factor in management. Maybe our organization didn't pursue players hard enough and offered big enough contracts unlike other teams. Too many unknowns to state what it may be. From what I hear, most players say Canucks is a 1st class organization and would love to play here.

Hamhuis chose to come play here and he was one of the more popular players that year.

The fans may be poor at times, but I still remember game 7 when we lost the cup and our fans still cheered "Go Canucks Go" in the dying seconds. We lost the cup, the fans were upset, but we know how hard this team tried and it's probably all they had to give in the end. I was proud of the fans that night in the building. They recognized all the things we achieved that year and put aside the loss to thank the Canucks for the special season they gave us.

There are a lot of poor fans on every team, but in a Canadian market, this is nothing new.
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Posted 20 October 2011 - 03:15 AM

We treat them like crap? We still cheered for them after game 7! You play well you get treated well. You play like crap for an extended period of time your gonna hear it. Its not like we booed luongo after 1 or 2 games. Its 3 years of letdowns.

You wanna make the big bucks then your gonna have to deal with it. You dont like it then go play in pheonix. Every single canadian market is like this you do know that right.



Canada equals cupless since 93 ... correlation?

3 years of letdown from Luongo??? lol the guy won the Jennings trophy last year..had a Career year.. got 2 shutouts in the Finals...yet its HIM who let us down..not the team...its ALL Luongo's fault! Powerplay shat the bed in the Finals lets blame Luongo for that too!! we scored 8 goals in 7 games lets bla,e Luongo for that too!! We lost Hamhuis Raymond and Rome lets blame Luongo for that too...

Vancouver is all about what have you done for me lately.......


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I guess this isnt lately enough
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Posted 20 October 2011 - 03:19 AM

Why is it necessary to type so much???

Anyway I didn't read everything

Can't blame the fans frustration tho...Canucks sell prob the most expensive tickets in all sport
I feel bad for those who paid to watch game 7 last year

But honestly we need a speedy power forward
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Posted 20 October 2011 - 03:19 AM

1. Because we have a very good, competitive team now and players want to win. For the record, I never said "because we have nice dressing rooms." I didn't say "good management" either; I said "logical and understanding." Big difference. "Good" is very vague.

2. Because we haven't had to and don't have the cap space for one. I already did answer this, in fact. To ice such a competitive team, we spend to the cap. If we were to sign a $7 million/year player, we would have to lose a very significant peace of the team that's gotten as within one win of the cup. Even in the past few years, we've addressed what we do need (fourth line center, higher profile defensemen, goaltending). Would we love to have another 80 point a season winger to play beside Kesler? Of course! But we don't need one. Pittsburgh and Detroit didn't need Hossa to win the cup (obviously, as they both lost with him). Chicago did because it gave them Toews, Kane, Hossa, and Sharp. We have the Sedins, Kesler, and Burrows. We don't need to add an extra Hossa.



so the reason we havent signed a highly touted UFA over the last 10 years is because WE DONT NEED THEM?? isnt that a little arrogant considering the Canucks have never won the cup? we dont need them? why not?? Players dont sign in Vancouver because of these main things; travel and media and Fan pressure/treatment.
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Posted 20 October 2011 - 03:20 AM

hows that just my perception?? Canuck fans treat their players like crap? I'm not proud of it but to say this is just My perception is a little naive...

Remeber the "sedin sisters"....bieksa was traded before the season even started last year...Naslund isnt Captain material...etc etc I can go on! The whole league sees this! they watched us humilate ourselves by jeering Luongo on National Television on Tuesday....this is not just my perception...


Please point out where I say it is just your perception concerning Canuck fans treating players like crap? You really are just trolling aren't you?

And like I said concerning other Canadian teams, this isn't the first razzing of a player in the history of the game, and it won't be the last. If you experienced hockey in other Canadian cities, you would realize this isn't the end of the world. Do I condone the jeering? Of course not, but I also don't go over the deep end saying our organization is ruined because a select few people used poor judgement.

And since I'm indulging you, here are the posts again so you can look them over:

If you're a pending Unrestricted Free Agent lets say the likes of; Doan, Semin, Webber, Parise etc etc...what do you see? A fan base known for rioting, a fanbase that constantly treat their own players like crap and puts an immense amount of pressure, a building soooo quiet, a travel schedule incomparable to any and a scrutiny from fanbase and media that can abolish a career.

So people can talk all they want about nice dressing rooms and sleep doctors and a province full of "fans" but that is not how the rest of league perceives the Canucks.


No, this is about how YOU perceive how the rest of the league feels about the Canucks. Living in other Canadian cities and seeing how their fans treat their teams would be an eye-opener for you.

Edited by Legstrong, 20 October 2011 - 03:22 AM.

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Posted 20 October 2011 - 03:22 AM

Why is it necessary to type so much???

Anyway I didn't read everything

Can't blame the fans frustration tho...Canucks sell prob the most expensive tickets in all sport
I feel bad for those who paid to watch game 7 last year

But honestly we need a speedy power forward


you should have read more because this has nothing to do with current Canuck needs or ticket pricing...

just a simple ask yourself why a UFA woulda want to sign in Vancouver question. and I'm sorry but we have a good team arguement isnt good enough because there are plenty of good stanley cup contending teams out there without the fan disrespect.
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Posted 20 October 2011 - 03:25 AM

I'd like to say that mentioning Weber, Parise, Doan, and Semin aren't the greatest examples. It leads back to what others were saying - players tend to sign back with their original team.
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Posted 20 October 2011 - 03:26 AM

[quote name='Legstrong' timestamp='1319106055' post='10088299']
Please point out where I say it is just your perception concerning Canuck fans treating players like crap? You really are just trolling aren't you?

And like I said concerning other Canadian teams, this isn't the first razzing of a player in the history of the game, and it won't be the last. If you experienced hockey in other Canadian cities, you would realize this isn't the end of the world. Do I condone the jeering? Of course not, but I also don't go over the deep end saying our organization is ruined because a select few people used poor judgement.



how's it just MY perception that Canuck fans treat their own players like crap?? did you sleep through the years when the Sedins were called the Sedin sisters...how about last year when the whole fanbase wanted Bieksa traded before the season even started...or how about when Naslund was too quiet and not enough of a hard nosed Canadian to be captain...countless Mason Raymond must go or Sturm sucks thread.....how is it just perception that we treat our players poorly.
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Posted 20 October 2011 - 03:27 AM

We won the Sundin sweepstakes.

I'd put money on that over 90% of players would be happy if they got traded here.

But I agree that harassing our players doesn't help.
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Posted 20 October 2011 - 03:28 AM

I'd like to say that mentioning Weber, Parise, Doan, and Semin aren't the greatest examples. It leads back to what others were saying - players tend to sign back with their original team.


well there must be a reason why Weber and Parise only signed for 1 year....Its almost certain that at least 2 out Weber Pariese Semin and Doan will have a new city to play for next year.
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Posted 20 October 2011 - 03:29 AM

We won the Sundin sweepstakes.

I'd put money on that over 90% of players would be happy if they got traded here.

But I agree that harassing our players doesn't help.



thats exactly my point...the harrasment does not help the Canucks nor the future of the Canucks.


lol and you mean Sundin won that sweepstakes...10 mil for half a season...damn.
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Posted 20 October 2011 - 03:32 AM

how's it just MY perception that Canuck fans treat their own players like crap?? did you sleep through the years when the Sedins were called the Sedin sisters...how about last year when the whole fanbase wanted Bieksa traded before the season even started...or how about when Naslund was too quiet and not enough of a hard nosed Canadian to be captain...countless Mason Raymond must go or Sturm sucks thread.....how is it just perception that we treat our players poorly.


If you refuse to read my posts then we really can't have a conversation now can we? If you want to have a real conversation, then please read them and respond intelligently. I won't be responding again until you do.
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Posted 20 October 2011 - 03:33 AM

There are a lot of variable involved with a player 'choosing' a new team to play... but, I do agree that all this criticism does nothing for our players or the team in general.

After last season, the consensus seems to be that we are the most hated team with the worst fans.... I don't agree with this, but it is what it is. All we do is feed the trolls and prove the general thinking correct, that we are one of the worst fans in the league, we just came back from a great run to the SCF and right away, we start jeering the players that took us there. It's embarrassing...

The loss in the SCF literally broke my heart... but the 'ride' there was definitely one of the biggest highlights I've had in years. It wouldn't be too much to show some gratitude and give a little leeway since the Canucks haven't had the normal amount of time to regroup and heal before the next season.
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Posted 20 October 2011 - 03:36 AM

well there must be a reason why Weber and Parise only signed for 1 year....Its almost certain that at least 2 out Weber Pariese Semin and Doan will have a new city to play for next year.


Well, Parise and Weber are both unsure about their team. I'm pretty sure they both want to see how far their team goes this year. But they haven't signed with any team yet other their own, so you can't really blame the Canucks for not being able to get them.

thats exactly my point...the harrasment does not help the Canucks nor the future of the Canucks.


lol and you mean Sundin won that sweepstakes...10 mil for half a season...damn.


There's nothing wrong with paying UFAs big money to attract them. It's pretty much how most teams get their top UFA players such as Brad Richards.
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Posted 20 October 2011 - 03:47 AM

thats exactly my point...the harrasment does not help the Canucks nor the future of the Canucks.


lol and you mean Sundin won that sweepstakes...10 mil for half a season...damn.



He became a Canucks fan now....I think more loyalty than for the leafs
All because of money
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Posted 20 October 2011 - 03:49 AM

So since Messier we have never needed a big name player a game breaker to sign in Vancouver because we were winning sooo many cups without them???

IF a team that had Crosby-Malkin-Staal needed a guy like Hossa then we are in no position to say we dont need any big time free agent signings.



Sounds to me like you're trying to vent, which as a fellow canucks fan I sympathize but arguing that free agents are what we need and that our arena is quiet?.... Hahaha, no!


1.Pittsburgh lost with Hossa, and look what happened when he left to be a hired gun, only got it rubbed in his face by his former team. Pfft!

2.Have you seen how much FA's ask in terms of $ and length? It's just not good economics. At least for the last 4-5 years we just haven't had the need to sign these really big names you talk about. Double Pfft!

3.Oh and usually the sound in the arena is not attributed to the rowdyness of the fans nor how well the team is playing, depends on capacity (which ours is always full-duh!) and a little thing called acoustics, materials and the way the building was built also help. Triple Pfft!


Are you sure you've been a season ticket holder for 3 seasons? You should know this man!

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Posted 20 October 2011 - 03:52 AM

you should have read more because this has nothing to do with current Canuck needs or ticket pricing...

just a simple ask yourself why a UFA woulda want to sign in Vancouver question. and I'm sorry but we have a good team arguement isnt good enough because there are plenty of good stanley cup contending teams out there without the fan disrespect.



Well fans jeer at the players because they are frustrated as they are not getting their moneys worth
This does has something to do with ticket pricing
I would never jeer the players but I and the rest of the fans will be much happier if tickets prices aren't that expensive....and hence less insults from the fans
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Posted 20 October 2011 - 03:52 AM

Canada equals cupless since 93 ... correlation?

3 years of letdown from Luongo??? lol the guy won the Jennings trophy last year..had a Career year.. got 2 shutouts in the Finals...yet its HIM who let us down..not the team...its ALL Luongo's fault! Powerplay shat the bed in the Finals lets blame Luongo for that too!! we scored 8 goals in 7 games lets bla,e Luongo for that too!! We lost Hamhuis Raymond and Rome lets blame Luongo for that too...

Vancouver is all about what have you done for me lately.......


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Most games played in a season – 75 in 2006–07 (surpassed Gary Smith, 72 in 1974–75)[176]
Most saves in a single game – 72 on April 11, 2007[69]
Longest shutout streak – 242:36 minutes (2008–09) (surpassed himself, 184:20 minutes in 2007–08)[72][79]
Most shutouts in a season – 9 in 2008–09 (surpassed Dan Cloutier – 7 in 2001–02)[86]
Lowest GAA in a season - 2.11 in 2010–11 (surpassed Dan Cloutier – 2.27 in 2003–04)[115]
Most shutouts all-time – 28 (surpassed Kirk McLean, 20)[99]

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Last 3 years of playoffs he let in 4 or more goals 17 times!!! What has he done lately is that. All I ask is be consistant with your play. Cory schneider would be our starter had we not signed him to that contract dont kid yourself.

If gillis could take it back he would.
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Posted 20 October 2011 - 04:21 AM

Have u not heard the Boo birds in MSG or in Montreal?

There is more passion & desperation to win. Players can embrace it or not...

Fans also cheer for guys like Hansen, Rypien or Burrows; who clearly give their all, beyond their talent and apparent physical skills.

And they can also smell a fraud, a player who doesn't put it all on the table or can't catch up to his skills. And fans live through their team, wishing they had the skills of a Loungo. They feel ripped off.

Listen to guys in Toronto who are never happy with their players; but they still project their team will get to the playoff's. Posted Image (and think they can trade their bums for Weber...)

Human Nature exists in all markets!

Hardcore Canuck fan here to ask some questions, ..please dont troll I would like to have an honest conversation. Can you please answer me this question, why would any High Valued Free Agent, possibly the missing piece to our Stanley Cup puzzle, ever want to sign/waive NTC to play for the Canucks.


The "fans" treat the team like crap, there is always a scapregoat! ALWAYS!, last year it was Bieksa this year its Luongo. We jeer the guy who took us to game 7 of the Stanley Cup Finals, a guy who won the Jennings Award last year and had a CAREER YEAR? a guys who got 2 SHUTOUTS in the Finals. Exhausted from the Months of playoff battle wearing the Canuck uniform proudly only to have a short summer, 2 pre season games and now we crucify him for not playing up to our standards. Is he playing like crap, yep, does he deserve this disrespect? hell no.

Back to the point tho, Who was the last big big free agent player the Canucks grabbed, and im talking about non previous Canuck players so the Sedins, Bieksa etc dont count. Highly Ranked UFA's...hmmm Hamhuis? Samuelsson? Malhotra?...Messier??? No superstar will ever sign here, why should they???

Do you not think that the whole league doesn't see how Vancouver fans treat the team like garbage? and put them in such scrutiny and judgement. They're "professionals" you say, well I say they are humans...NOBODY wants to play in this environment, its an environement where players are set up to fail instead of succeed. Vancouver has been filled with nothing but negativity.


Let's say we make everyones wish come true and we trade Luongo! GREAT! its Schneider Time! Cory Scneider has 1 year left of RFA status then he can choose not to re-sign a contract and walk away from the Canucks!! Do you really think Schneider will want to sign here after seeing what just happened to Luongo??

Shea Webber to Vancouver next year!!??? why? so he can be humiliated in front of his family and friends day in and day out if he so happens to hit a rut like most players do? And if you think this is a Luongo thing its not, like I said we treat our stars like garbage, Bieksa last year, Sedins in previous years, Naslund in his twilight years, even the great Captain Kirk Maclean in the mid 90's was treated like crap. Even Bure asked for a trade (management issues supposodely)...

So back to the question, why would any player want to sign/waive NTC to come to Vancouver?? to win a cup?? theres 8 other teams they can do that for and not have to go thru this.

If you're a pending Unrestricted Free Agent lets say the likes of; Doan, Semin, Webber, Parise etc etc...what do you see? A fan base known for rioting, a fanbase that constantly treat their own players like crap and puts an immense amount of pressure, a building soooo quiet, a travel schedule incomparable to any and a scrutiny from fanbase and media that can abolish a career.

So people can talk all they want about nice dressing rooms and sleep doctors and a province full of "fans" but that is not how the rest of league perceives the Canucks.


So keep going Vancouver fans, the jeering and the negativity will surely end our 40+ years of misery!


Edited by Canuck Surfer, 20 October 2011 - 04:22 AM.

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Posted 20 October 2011 - 04:43 AM

Check Sundin? How about Hamhuis!

As much as you say, dont talk Sedin's or Bieksa; why not?

Here's the opposite view. Name the last time a GM signed an unrestricted free agent who became league MVP the next year? How about back to back scoring champs...

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Posted 20 October 2011 - 05:31 AM

My evidence is we havent signed a high ranked game breaking UFA in almost a decade. Im not sure what other evidence you want unless you are suggesting we never pursued game changing free agents because we dont need them.


With respect sir, that's not really "evidence" Evidence is proof.

We have not been the same team for a decade. As far as what you think I am suggesting, I'm not suggesting anything other than what I have stated. I'm asking you to provide any kind of actual proof of the veracity of your assertion. Surely if what you say is fact and has been going on for 10 years you would be able to come up with one documented example.

Otherwise you are asking us to believe something just because you have a gut feeling. Have I been unfair in this assessment?
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Posted 20 October 2011 - 05:42 AM

Canada equals cupless since 93 ... correlation?

3 years of letdown from Luongo??? lol the guy won the Jennings trophy last year..had a Career year.. got 2 shutouts in the Finals...yet its HIM who let us down..not the team...its ALL Luongo's fault! Powerplay shat the bed in the Finals lets blame Luongo for that too!! we scored 8 goals in 7 games lets bla,e Luongo for that too!! We lost Hamhuis Raymond and Rome lets blame Luongo for that too...

Vancouver is all about what have you done for me lately.......


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I guess this isnt lately enough


A powerful and compelling post sir. I commend you for it.
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Posted 20 October 2011 - 05:56 AM

Last big name free agent? Mats Sundin, ya he didnt pan out here but MG brought a HOF player to Vancouver.
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Posted 20 October 2011 - 06:04 AM

Please point out where I say it is just your perception concerning Canuck fans treating players like crap? You really are just trolling aren't you?

And like I said concerning other Canadian teams, this isn't the first razzing of a player in the history of the game, and it won't be the last. If you experienced hockey in other Canadian cities, you would realize this isn't the end of the world. Do I condone the jeering? Of course not, but I also don't go over the deep end saying our organization is ruined because a select few people used poor judgement.



how's it just MY perception that Canuck fans treat their own players like crap?? did you sleep through the years when the Sedins were called the Sedin sisters...how about last year when the whole fanbase wanted Bieksa traded before the season even started...or how about when Naslund was too quiet and not enough of a hard nosed Canadian to be captain...countless Mason Raymond must go or Sturm sucks thread.....how is it just perception that we treat our players poorly.
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I think you should widen the scope of your research. If you did you would find countless fan sites, many of them with very successful teams who have favourite fall guy players or don't like the coach or think their fans are rubbish etc etc. It's so easy to imagine what you are experiencing is unique.

The bottom line is most players sign for the bucks...........this is true throughout the world. Some may get homesick, others are not keen to leave established friends and family. I myself turned down a top Architect's post in Calgary because I didn't want to leave friends and family in Scotland. I dearly regret it now and who's to say some players don't also regret taking or not taking a chance to move.

At the end of the day I think our fans are probably no worse than anyone else's. I for example condemn the stupidity of the city in not seeing the possible downside of massive crowds in the streets who may have felt angry at the loss and the manner of the loss. They should have policed it accordingly or if unwilling to do so, they should have prevented massive public gatherings.

Anyway that is history and history is supposed to teach us lessons. Only the most stupid need taught the same lesson twice.......step forward and take a bow Vancouver City Council and police department. Huge expectation, alcohol, youth, crowds and ultimately massive disappointment don't make for good night out.

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Posted 20 October 2011 - 06:07 AM

they dont count because of circumstances like already having a family here and they dont want to remove them from their lives, its espeically tough on children.




Yes that maybe true that being traded or moving can be tough on the children ,but that is not the reason players signed extensions on a hometown discount. If that were true Carl then most of the core would stay in Vancouver during the off season.
Burrows took a discount before he was married and had a baby! Luongo has a home in Florida and goes back during the off season..The Sedins go home EVERY OFF SEASON back to Sweden and they have children. Kesler goes back home to see his family.
Burrows and Kesler both stated before their last contract were up for any chance for this team to stay in contention was for the core group to take a discount And that was three years ago...Any players can come and go as they please once they're contracts up Carl. Doesn't matter if they have children or not players can be traded. Most of the Canucks that have Children Carl are INFANTS TO TODDLERS.
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