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#181 5minutesinthebox

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Posted 20 October 2011 - 02:42 PM

Maybe because I play hockey?


Do you make a living playing hockey? Have you ever worked for a professional organization or worked as a player agent? Most people on here play hockey, big deal.
That somehow makes you an expert on what professional hockey players think or how they view specific organizations?
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Posted 20 October 2011 - 02:42 PM

Maybe because I play hockey?



And what junior, pro or affiliated team do you play for?

Or do you play rec hockey? If so, welcome to the club, but that gives you no more player insight then anyone. Or are you claiming to be a professional player on this board?

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Posted 20 October 2011 - 02:45 PM

And what junior, pro or affiliated team do you play for?

Or do you play rec hockey? If so, welcome to the club, but that gives you no more player insight then anyone. Are you claiming to be a professional player on this board?



Have I claimed any of that?
No

Now, I said "If I played, I wouldnt play for vancouver"



Is that not my opinion? You can take it as you will, but this is MY opinion. Take it or leave it
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Posted 20 October 2011 - 02:46 PM

I see you people are done arguing with my opinion, my scope, and my logic, you have resorted to attacking my credentials





This is why the Canucks have the most hated fans in the league
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Posted 20 October 2011 - 02:49 PM

Have I claimed any of that?
No

Now, I said "If I played, I wouldnt play for vancouver"



Is that not my opinion? You can take it as you will, but this is MY opinion. Take it or leave it


But this has not just been a personal opinion you attempt to say (poorly at that) why any professional player would not want to play in Vancouver.
And since you have no idea how this organization is viewed by players, other organizations, or even agents for that matter, your argument is nothing more than personal (and unsubstantiated) bias.
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Posted 20 October 2011 - 02:49 PM

Canucks fans are known as one of the best fans in the league, but they are also one of the worst. Canuck fans were once loyal and avid fans who despite the mediocre teams of the early days, fans still supported their teams. But once they achieved success, the fans became so called experts and drove out some of the very best players we've ever had out of town. Pavel Bure comes to mind. There are reasons why players wouldn't sign with the Canucks and in the most part, very little had to do with having to be under the fan's microscope. A lot had to do with economics, lifestyle and cost of living. Like it or not, it's very expensive to live in Vancouver. Real estate prices are one of the highest in North America. Not to mention the once wide difference in currency exchange between the CAD and USD. It didn't help matters much when Pat Quinn tried to use CAD in contract talks. Brian Burke was another who is difficult to deal with so not many agents came calling first. Also, at one time, Canucks were perennial losers so not many players wanted to come this way because they wanted to play with winners. If players had a chance to live in constant sunshine or constant rain, which would you choose? Family lifestyle played an important role too. Craig Janney didn't report to the Canucks because his wife didn't want to live here.

So to Carl, while you're argument seems compelling, it's further from the truth these days. Bure felt the sting from fans calling for his head, but players like Dan Cloutier never let the boo-birds affect him. Paul Kariya choose not to play here simply because his family all agreed the extra scrutiny would all be detrimental to his career. But I tell you, most players would agree Vancouver is one city they would love the opportunity to play for in the right conditions. Sundin was the biggest name during that years free agency and he choose Vancouver. Hamhuis was also one of the premier free agents for that year and he already had his mind made up long before June 1st on where he wanted to be. Pavol Demitra was also one of the top 10 free agents that year and he too choose Vancouver. Gaborik had Vancouver pencilled in as one of the teams he was willing to play for but at the end of the day, bigger money was the final consolation. Many players are aware of the huge Vancouver fan base and this so called "lynch-mob" mentality, but players also welcome that challenge too. These past two years, the Sedin's have seen it all and were bigger targets of the boo-birds than Cloutier himself and they rose to the occasion.
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Posted 20 October 2011 - 02:51 PM

I see you people are done arguing with my opinion, my scope, and my logic, you have resorted to attacking my credentials





This is why the Canucks have the most hated fans in the league


Opinion Fail. Scope Fail. Logic Fail. Credentials Fail. Canucks Fans WIN!
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Posted 20 October 2011 - 02:51 PM

But this has not just been a personal opinion you attempt to say (poorly at that) why any professional player would not want to play in Vancouver.
And since you have no idea how this organization is viewed by players, other organizations, or even agents for that matter, your argument is nothing more than personal (and unsubstantiated) bias.



Then why are you argueing with me?
I gave MY opinion. It was MY insight

Hamuis probs signed here cause he's from BC

The Sedins were drafted, and like the organisation

Samulson said he signed for the money



They are ALL different, arnt they? Why cant I offer MY opinions
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Posted 20 October 2011 - 02:51 PM

I see you people are done arguing with my opinion, my scope, and my logic, you have resorted to attacking my credentials





This is why the Canucks have the most hated fans in the league



Your arguments have been purplish, bland and vegetative. This is why you are a turnip

Just following your rules of combat.
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I was saying Lu-Urns...

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Posted 20 October 2011 - 02:52 PM

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Posted 20 October 2011 - 02:54 PM

I see you people are done arguing with my opinion, my scope, and my logic, you have resorted to attacking my credentials





This is why the Canucks have the most hated fans in the league



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Posted 20 October 2011 - 02:58 PM

I dunno, I am sure that the harshness of this market is a deterrant for some players. Everyone struggles from time to time, I don't care what your profession is. Somedays just arn't as good as other days. I, personally, wouldn't want all the negative attention that goes along with struggling in this market. But that's just me.......and probably a good reason as to why I never made the NHL.
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Posted 20 October 2011 - 03:05 PM

whats worse, getting booed in a full building, or being able to hear some dude coughing in the top tier of an empty one?
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please be gentle with my posts...I am Australian, hockey isnt my first language.

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Posted 20 October 2011 - 03:09 PM

I think it differs for every type of player:
- draft
generally, the player is simply excited to being drafted and having an opportunity to maybe play in the NHL. I don't think players don't want to come to Vancouver or any other city for that matter (except maybe Lindros and Erixon)
- low level players
they are excited having the opportunity to play for a contender. cuz that's what Vancouver is right now
- top free agents
now these players are hard to lure in. mostly, they either want lots of money or lots of other things. our GM doesn't want that. that's why he didn't target these kind of players (kovy, bryz, richards etc). the ones he did target btw...guess what...they signed here (sundin, . so yes, I think they want to sign here. amazing city, passionate fans, good food/education/benefits. the only negatives IMO is the travel schedule. and no, I don't think Rogers Arena is too silent.

- goalies
to be honest, I think if I were a goalie, I'd never sign here...if one responds to fan criticism there's always 50% people who complain that you should shut it and play through it. if one doesn't speak 50% think the player doesn't care. you know.

and btw...if you don't like Luongo then maybe you should hate his agent or our GM. cuz they gave him the job and the money. Lu only brought the stats that justified this contract in their eyes. ..but that's a different topic
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Posted 20 October 2011 - 03:09 PM

Then why are you argueing with me?
I gave MY opinion. It was MY insight

Hamuis probs signed here cause he's from BC

The Sedins were drafted, and like the organisation

Samulson said he signed for the money



They are ALL different, arnt they? Why cant I offer MY opinions


.No you were very clear in stating "Why would anyone star player want to play for Vancouver". That is not a personal opinion, because you have no idea how or why these players would make this decision. We have some of the leagues top talent playing for the Canucks. How are they any different? And drafting someone is not a reason. Many players dont play for the teams that drafted them. You are just trying to make excuses to try to suit your argument, which as I mentioned, has no basis other than personal bias, which lacks any substance. Having a argument requires forethought, facts, and substance. Yours have nothing more than: "The Canucks are stupid cause I say so".
And you wonder why you are getting flamed?
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Posted 20 October 2011 - 03:24 PM

I dunno, I am sure that the harshness of this market is a deterrant for some players. Everyone struggles from time to time, I don't care what your profession is. Somedays just arn't as good as other days. I, personally, wouldn't want all the negative attention that goes along with struggling in this market. But that's just me.......and probably a good reason as to why I never made the NHL.


This market is certainly no worse than any of the following Toronto, Montreal, Calgary, Philly, Boston, Pittsburgh, Detroit, Chicago, New York. Essentially the leagues biggest markets, and all markets that have had a measurable level of success.

Edited by 5minutesinthebox, 20 October 2011 - 03:24 PM.

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Posted 20 October 2011 - 03:27 PM

.No you were very clear in stating "Why would anyone star player want to play for Vancouver". That is not a personal opinion, because you have no idea how or why these players would make this decision. We have some of the leagues top talent playing for the Canucks. How are they any different? And drafting someone is not a reason. Many players dont play for the teams that drafted them. You are just trying to make excuses to try to suit your argument, which as I mentioned, has no basis other than personal bias, which lacks any substance. Having a argument requires forethought, facts, and substance. Yours have nothing more than: "The Canucks are stupid cause I say so".
And you wonder why you are getting flamed?



Yes, many players, but not all
Not all players are the same

You cant possibly think otherwise, can you?

Thats why I said why I wouldnt play in vancouver. I cant possibly speak for the entire league
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Posted 20 October 2011 - 03:29 PM

no fans in the stadium= no money to pay you.


LOL, whoops I forgot to say that I wouldn't care about what the fans think of me. I would still be nice to them (signings, public apperances, quotes, w.e needed to keep people happy).
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Posted 20 October 2011 - 03:32 PM

You are definitly the dumbest person I have ever met
Modus Ponens says if I dont like A for not having Vanilla, I dont like Ice Cream stores that dont have vanilla. B doesnt have Vanilla. I hate B

Ask me about A

Ill say "I dont like A, it doesnt have vanilla"

Why would It matter if I dont like B or not, its not relevent to the conversation

I never said I like B, I never said I like B, all Is said is I dont like A



And you're DEFINITLY the dumbest person I have ever met, after the second part

Im listing things I dont like about teams because it seems that I have to defend my argument against vancouver because you say I have to because if I hate vancouver, I must hate all those other teams, but I listed reasons why I would play for the teams that have the same problems as the canucks



Would you please stop wasting my time, and just go die in a hole you ignorant troglodyte?

Okay, so you're not going to sign a pro contract if the Canucks ask you. Thanks for the info, because yeah the rest of us are interested in where some no-account, no-talent hockey player wants or doesn't want to play hockey. I like pie!
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Posted 20 October 2011 - 03:33 PM

then why no big Signings since Messier?

fans are passionate?? I'm a season ticket holder for the last 3 years and Rogers Arena is one of the MOST quietest buildings and arenas ive ever been to! even during the playoffs! its ridiculous how loud and positive an arena like Nashville or Chicago is compared to Rogers arena. So wheres this passion you speak of? We throw our players under the bus the moment they arent reaching our expectations, thats not passsion.


Sedins Signed here
Sundin Signed here
Luongo Signed here
Hamhuis Signed here

Give your head a shake.

This thread is another one of those under informed, wishy washy ones that spew out nothing but regurgitated inuendo and emotion.

The reason it is quiet because of corporate seats, old news.

Fail thread.

But you did get a bunch of +1's from other knobs who know as little as you night.

BLAH.
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Posted 20 October 2011 - 03:35 PM

<br />Yes, many players, but not all<br />Not all players are the same<br /><br />You cant possibly think otherwise, can you?<br /><br />Thats why I said why I wouldnt play in vancouver. I cant possibly speak for the entire league<br />

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Just to relieve your angst .. we would not WANT you to play here .. back to the swamp with you .. NEXT!!!!!
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Posted 20 October 2011 - 03:40 PM

Okay, so you're not going to sign a pro contract if the Canucks ask you. Thanks for the info, because yeah the rest of us are interested in where some no-account, no-talent hockey player wants or doesn't want to play hockey. I like pie!

Why arnt you dead yet?

Stop wasting our air
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Posted 20 October 2011 - 03:46 PM

If I made the NHL I would kill to play for the Canucks, if they wanted me. I'd be inclined to take a hometown discount to sign there as well.
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Posted 20 October 2011 - 03:46 PM

I don't post here very often but I felt like I should for this one.
I agree with the op on all points.
Any way we shake it Loungo is still one the top five goalies
In the NHL. I have been a hockey fan not as long as some but still 30 years is a long time. I have seen many goalkeepers go through the mental growing pains to all of the sudden have that break through year.
The whole NHL us going through changes that the players have never had to adapt to before. The rule changes and such seem to change with the hour now.
I admit I am at times in front of my wife am not a Loungo fan but being rewarded to the summer of hockey we just had makes being a fan all worth it.
I still do believe in our goalie no matter what.
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Posted 20 October 2011 - 03:47 PM

You guys do realize that if you keep Boo'ing Luongo, and he demands for a trade, Schendier will probably want the same fate?

You guys do understand that when you boo Luongo, Schneider can hear it all too right? What kind of goaltender would want to play with us if we boo them when they're on a cold streak.

Our fan base is a joke.
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Posted 20 October 2011 - 03:48 PM

Yes, many players, but not all
Not all players are the same

You cant possibly think otherwise, can you?

Thats why I said why I wouldnt play in vancouver. I cant possibly speak for the entire league


Thats exactly my point. You have been speaking as if you have some idea why these players would not play here, when in fact they are all different, so in reality you have no idea why they would not play here. There are a million factors, and most of them have nothing to do with fan scrutiny. If it was than all of the leagues biggest markets would have the most trouble getting the leagues best players, which is obviously not the case.
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Posted 20 October 2011 - 04:01 PM

Thats exactly my point. You have been speaking as if you have some idea why these players would not play here, when in fact they are all different, so in reality you have no idea why they would not play here. There are a million factors, and most of them have nothing to do with fan scrutiny. If it was than all of the leagues biggest markets would have the most trouble getting the leagues best players, which is obviously not the case.



Which is why I posted MY opinions of why I wouldnt play here, yet no, everyone has to attack me
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Posted 20 October 2011 - 04:03 PM

If I made the NHL I would kill to play for the Canucks, if they wanted me. I'd be inclined to take a hometown discount to sign there as well.



But you're not an NHL player, you have no opinion in this matter, apparently
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Posted 20 October 2011 - 04:13 PM

Which is why I posted MY opinions of why I wouldnt play here, yet no, everyone has to attack me


Im not sure why you are not getting this. You posted YOUR opinions as if they were that of what a player would use as reason not to play here, when in reality they were just your reasons. You are of course allowed to have your own opinions and express them as such, but when you start pushing your opinions as gospel, people get defensive.
To go back to your original reason why Luongo chose to stay here, when he could have simply chosen to go somewhere else. Simple. Ego. But not in the way you might think. He was not getting the respect nor the accolades playing in a small market like Florida. He considers himself one of the greatest goalies in the world and thus wants the praise that goes with it. But along with that praise (and that money) comes scrutiny from media and fans alike. Its part of the job in playing for a big market, and he knew the deal when he chose to sign that extension.
By his own admission he needs to play better and deserves to hear it from the crowd when he is under performing. Start playing like you can and in less games that it took for them to turn, they will be praising.
If he cant handle that kind of pressure. Then guess what? He is not one the worlds elite goaltenders, because the elite manage to find a way to deal with all that comes with being called 'the best in the world.'
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Posted 20 October 2011 - 04:20 PM

How come Montreal booed their goalie, IN THE PRESEASON, did not get national attention and their fans didn't get label as the worst, while us fans in Vancouver booing the underperformed goalie IN THE REGULAR SEASON and all of a sudden we are the worst? Come on people, booing is part of professional sports, don't make a big deal out of it!
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