lexluthor Posted March 27, 2012 Share Posted March 27, 2012 Brandon Hughes says: I'm not dismissing the similarities of the central concept of a death game originating before Battle Royale (though I'd argue with you including Enders Game and The Giver in there and will conceed to having never heard of Maze Runner), as I point out above... the broad strokes of her story follow Battle Royale pretty closely, with the exception that Collins lets her characters prepare for the game instead of being thrown into it. ( Government trying to oppress people, game of teenagers killing themselves, protagonist beats the game instead of winning, goes on to lead a resistance movement against the government, involved in a second game in a government attempt to stop them...) My argument is very simple. An author has an idea. They do not sit down and write a novel without doing research, which often includes seeing if what is in their head has already been done. Regardless of whether she went so far as to google to central idea of her book, looking into games of kill or be killed, will invariably bring you across BR. It's not like it's an obscure book (which is a distinction I think only The Running Man shares when it comes to books with this central conceit) and it's entered into geek culture pretty pervasively, I'd say becoming more popular among contemporary Americans than any of the other works in the specific genre. I'm sorry but it's easy to see several MAJOR differences between Battle Royale and previously published work like Running Man. But to really get at differences between BR and Hunger Games, you have to get into specifics, which, I firmly believe, indicates a familiarity with BR during the creation of Hunger Games. Mvargus says: Supposedly Suzanne Collins has never read or heard of Battle Royale, but I find that extremely doubtful. This book is a unemotional, poorly written simplification of that great book. Sadly, few people in the US had read Battle Royale, so there wasn't a large outcry about the obvious plagarism involved. Eric D. Shepard says: I will not postulate on whether or not the author plagiarized Battle Royale. She claims she never read the book or saw the movie, and there is enough other material like it ("Ender's Game", "Running Man", etc.) that I feel uninclined to call her a liar. It is possible that the idea for this book originated without her ever having been exposed to Battle Royale. She lists both "1984" and "Lord of the Flies" as influences and I can definitely see that in her work. With that being said if she did not plagiarize this from Battle Royale I feel really sorry for her, because this looks on the surface to be a complete retelling of the same plot with the only changes being the characters and the setting. As Brandon Hughes pointed out she hits all of the major plot points with only cosmetic changes made. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nevlach Posted March 27, 2012 Share Posted March 27, 2012 10 years ago, I watched a japanese movie called Battle Royale (2000) which is based on a 1999 novel of the same name by Koushun Takami. When the movie came out it was controversial because of the violence. The movie gained cult status and there was talk of a Hollywood remake back then. When I first saw a TV trailer for The Hunger Games movie, I immediately thought it's a rip-off the Battle Royale movie. In 2008, The Hunger Games novel is written by Suzanne Collins. Some believe she ripped off the concept of the Battle Royale novel. I wonder if some Hollywood higher ups secretly commissioned her to write a novel similar in concept to Battle Royale so that they could make a movie similar to Battle Royale. I wonder if this is a tactic by Hollywood to skirt from being sued by the Battle Royale author. Just google: Hunger Games vs Battle Royale http://hollywoodinva...u-be-the-judge/ http://blogs.wsj.com...-battle-royale/ http://www.amazon.co...asin=0439023483 http://io9.com/58881...f-battle-royale I've yet to decide if I want to see The Hunger Games movie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dank. Posted March 28, 2012 Share Posted March 28, 2012 It's not meant to be a "Rated-R" book. I thought it was handled well, because although it IS a violent book, it's paradoxically an anti-violence message. It doesn't need to be gory and bloody to make a point, just like, for example, it doesn't have to be porn to suggest that there's a relationship between two people. I think it SHOULD include teenagers, because they're an audience who needs a message like this - a chance to see their own "Capitol" culture from the outside, if only for a brief glimpse and Rated-R, at least to some extent, prevents that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ckamo Posted March 28, 2012 Share Posted March 28, 2012 That review makes a very good point about Cinna. Although he isn't featured in the majority of the actual story, the effect he has on Katniss and Panem as a whole wasn't nearly as significant as it should have been in the movie. Also, why did Ross want to make it seem like Cinna snuck the Mockingjay pin into the arena with Katniss? Another needless change. One that will probably bite him in the behind when the it's time to film the 2nd movie. How is the symbol supposed to catch on if nobody can see the pin? edit: just fixing a spelling error... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taelin Posted March 28, 2012 Share Posted March 28, 2012 So is there barely any violence? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slender Man Posted March 28, 2012 Share Posted March 28, 2012 Anyone know if there are books in the same vein as the Hunger Games that will be made into a movie? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slender Man Posted March 28, 2012 Share Posted March 28, 2012 So is there barely any violence? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Ambien Posted March 28, 2012 Share Posted March 28, 2012 There's an appropriate amount considering it's a pg-13 movie. But I was still expecting more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OrdinaryBoy Posted March 28, 2012 Share Posted March 28, 2012 My heart beat sped up during the movie, but I didn't feel anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squeak Posted March 28, 2012 Share Posted March 28, 2012 Anyone know if there are books in the same vein as the Hunger Games that will be made into a movie? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrsCanuck Posted March 28, 2012 Share Posted March 28, 2012 I've never read the books or actually even heard of them until my Twitter and Facebook started blowing up with everybody talking about them. I don't have much time for leisure reading right now (too much trying to keep up with my course textbooks!) so I decided to go see the movie tonight with some friends and it was really good! Such an interesting world! Books are always better than the motion pictures so I'm definitely looking forward to reading the trilogy once the Spring semester ends! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slender Man Posted March 28, 2012 Share Posted March 28, 2012 What do you mean same vein? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A.A.A Posted March 28, 2012 Share Posted March 28, 2012 I watched the movie last night, and gotta say I was disappointed, I'd rate it a 6.5/10. t wasn't as good as I was expecting it to be, I guess that's the case with many books turned into movies. I wonder if I would have liked the movie more if I hadn't read the books. I think in trying to fit everything into the movie, they weren't able to adequately develop the storyline and subplots e.g. Cinna and Katniss's relationship, district 13, and the actual Hunger Games. I loved Stanley Tucci as Ceaser Flickerman though, he was great in a brief role . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
endtoend Posted March 28, 2012 Share Posted March 28, 2012 I cheered for the black guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
250Integra Posted March 28, 2012 Share Posted March 28, 2012 I thought the movie was amazing. I was at the edge of my seat most of the movie.. (although I must say I haven't read the book). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ckamo Posted March 28, 2012 Share Posted March 28, 2012 I thought the movie was amazing. I was at the edge of my seat most of the movie.. (although I must say I haven't read the book). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davebabychisback Posted March 29, 2012 Share Posted March 29, 2012 I'm surprised to hear people were disappointed with the movie. I thought it was exceptionally well done considering the circumstances. It's always difficult moving from a 1st-Person point of view (in the book) to a 3rd-person-limited like you need for a movie. There are SO many occasions where we know Katniss' thoughts throughout the book, times that can't be easily translated onto a movie screen without her having yet another soliloquy, which is how I thought they would explain things. But instead I found it very clever and creative, the way they cut away to the commentators to explain things (i.e. The tracker-jackers, for example). A soliloquy would have been a lazy way to explain what Katniss was thinking at times, but instead they found creative ways to portray and explain certain circumstances. They didn't take away TOO much, and the tiny parts that they added made sense, for the most part. Little things like after Rue's death, cutting away to the uprising in District 11 right away, or showing Seneca Crane locked in a room with the nightlock at the end Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don't.Mess.With.Kes<3 Posted March 29, 2012 Share Posted March 29, 2012 I saw the movie and want to read the books. If I just read the second and third now that I've seen the movie will I be confused at all or was the movie very similar to the first book? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davebabychisback Posted March 29, 2012 Share Posted March 29, 2012 I saw the movie and want to read the books. If I just read the second and third now that I've seen the movie will I be confused at all or was the movie very similar to the first book? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ckamo Posted March 29, 2012 Share Posted March 29, 2012 What I sort of wish I'd done is saw the movie, read the book and then re watched the movie. Little things like after Rue's death, cutting away to the uprising in District 11 right away, or showing Seneca Crane locked in a room with the nightlock at the end were incredibly powerful moments that made the movie better than I expected, simply because I didn't expect too much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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