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#1 janisahockeynut

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Posted 30 October 2011 - 08:20 AM

We are so close! And yes, I am a Canuck fan! Since the WHL days!, Which is longer than some of you are old! Anyways! It seems the peices are here, except someone who will make the opposing forwards think twice about running around near the net. Our mean guys aren't big enough and big guys are mean enough! If KB was 15 lbs heavier, or Edler had some good old Canadian toughness the problem would be solved, but we don't. And it shows.I can remember through the years many of the Stanley Cup Championships, that the champs had really one offensive Defenseman, then just some big old boys to clear the net. Even once in a while they would even come down and stand up for a smallish forward. This is one of the reasons today they don't allow the D to come into the offesive zone on a scrum.....cause they caused so much crap. I think Rome is as close as we have. And that is why AV loves him, secretly AV loved his hit on Horton, and if we would have had a couple more like him to stand up to the big old bad Bruins, we would have been lifting the Cup instead.,( Please note that the only real reason Boston won was because we were too injured) But we might not have been if the Bruin D would have thought that our D could have done the same to their smaller forwards, aka Seguin etc. They might not even had played Raymond the same way, but again once Rome was gone, they were all freebees.......and if you don't believe, just watch how the oppoition responds when Rome is out there, again that is why AV like him.Not dity, just tough! If we could get one more like him, who could start in our top 4...we would not be stopped.

FOOT NOTE: Can you imagine the crap our forwards will be able to cause if Raymond comes back healthy!

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Posted 30 October 2011 - 08:28 AM

Bieksa needs to play mean to be good

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Posted 30 October 2011 - 08:49 AM

I thought Chara put that "good Canadian toughness" garbage to rest. You sure sound old.

Rome is not the answer to our physical problems. I don't think you made your point clear as to WHY he is the answer. He is not big, he does not have much of a mean streak (maybe as mean as Ballard), and his raw ability isn't that great. Work ethic and injuries gave him a chance to be a regular here, but he is really NOT the answer.

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Posted 30 October 2011 - 08:56 AM

Just need to stay healthy overall.

Imo a 4-line attack will go a long way towards doing that. With Lappy and Manny playing 12-14 mins each, we don't have to play Kesler 20-24 mins a game anymore.

And if all those lines are effective, then we're not spending as much time in our own zone, allowing the defense to be more relaxed.

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Posted 30 October 2011 - 09:00 AM

I'd love to have a few guys like Snepsts.


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Posted 30 October 2011 - 09:05 AM

Good post, we lack toughness we will get Webber come deadline

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Posted 30 October 2011 - 09:11 AM

I didn't say Rome was the answer to our problems. I said that is why AV loves him.He is a tough, hard working #6 or7 defensemen, but everyone is always asking why AV loves him and that is why IMO But if you look at how opposing players stand up to him they usually don't much past a push. You don't have to fight to be tough.What I would like and is obtainable would be a Dan Boyle type, maybe a Burns, they are out there, but not cheap!Maybe even a young Regher??But definately a big #2 or 3.Wasn't rying to pur Rome in our top 4, and yes I am old, as you are young and don't read well!LOLPlease note I did not say Boyle or Burns, just their type! But I am willing to hear what typr you would think

But seriously, just wanted to put it out there for discussion

I thought Chara put that "good Canadian toughness" garbage to rest. You sure sound old.

Rome is not the answer to our physical problems. I don't think you made your point clear as to WHY he is the answer. He is not big, he does not have much of a mean streak (maybe as mean as Ballard), and his raw ability isn't that great. Work ethic and injuries gave him a chance to be a regular here, but he is really NOT the answer.



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Posted 30 October 2011 - 09:12 AM

Good post, we lack toughness we will get Webber come deadline


I don't see why we would want Yannik Webber. I am more interested in Shea Weber.

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Posted 30 October 2011 - 09:13 AM

A young Pronger we can use. Who's out there?
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Posted 30 October 2011 - 09:23 AM

Agreed, I would love to see some real grit and a "meany mcnasty" on our back end. Bieksa has better numbers when he's taking numbers and being a hard ass, but he needs to step it up and get back to last seasons form.
I disagree with the Rome notion, his positional play and skill set are lacking, though he does take the opportunity to really hammer guys, he is not the answer. Edler had more of a mean streak in the playoffs than he's showing right now, but his role has changed to fill Erhoff's boots. If Edler can balance the scoring demand with some ass kicking....
I too would love to have a Pronger/ Chara type guy. But how and who? Lets be reasonable, Bieksa can get his mean on and should, but it's a combined effort, opponents need to fear our entire D, not just one player.

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Posted 30 October 2011 - 09:24 AM

I do agree that we could use a big, studly defenceman but unfortunately there just isn't enough supply to go with the demand. The Prongers and Webbers of this league aren't going anywhere.
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Posted 30 October 2011 - 09:25 AM

Why only one big bad d-man? Three would be nicer

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Posted 30 October 2011 - 09:33 AM

how much is gillis supposed to give up for this big bad D man? lots of proposals in the other forum none of them good.

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Posted 30 October 2011 - 09:42 AM

What about Mike Commodore?

6'4, 230lbs. Hits, fights, has a little bit of offensive flair. Not worth the massive contract he signed with CBJ but serviceable at 1 million per year. He has gone toe-to-toe with guys like Koci, McCormick, Orr.
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Posted 30 October 2011 - 09:43 AM

how much is gillis supposed to give up for this big bad D man? lots of proposals in the other forum none of them good.


Obviously, salary must go in the other direction (or opened up some other way) so current roster players plus more I'd say.
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Posted 30 October 2011 - 09:58 AM

Edler delivers great in the playoffs








He is one of my favourite players in the playoffs.....Not saying it wouldn't be nice to see a big D-man like Jovo, but for now im quite happy having Edler, Bieksa, Ballard, Hamhuis get the job done.

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Posted 30 October 2011 - 10:01 AM

i heard a rumor awhile back that gillis was looking for a big, hard hitting defenseman....they may move ballard if that d-man became available.....

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Posted 30 October 2011 - 10:05 AM

Adam McQuaid? He has bigger arms than Chara, it may take a lot, and he might not want to come but he is big.

Pretty much any D-man from Colorado is huge.

Brayden Coburn from Philly, 6'5 220 lbs and can skate very well
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Posted 30 October 2011 - 10:20 AM

"...secretly AV loved his hit on Horton..."

You know this because?

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Posted 30 October 2011 - 10:29 AM

I just love the hit edler laid on kane. Anyway i think our defence are pretty good. It really doesnt matter if we get a big bad defence or not. It could be great if we get one but if we dont we still have a pretty good team.

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Posted 30 October 2011 - 10:37 AM

Weber did not look very mean in the 2nd round.
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Posted 30 October 2011 - 10:39 AM

Good post, we lack toughness we will get Webber come deadline


not going to happen. i don't know why every one thinks this will happen....weber makes 7.5mil... let me do the math for ya... that is 3 mil MORE than any of our d make... and again let me do the math... we are close to the cap limit... ssooooooooo that would mean we would have to lose not one but 2 of our d to get him...so by getting webber we would lose 2 good dmen... and have to have a league minimum player which these days means they are fringe players well really they are ahl players.. so we would have a guy who can't really play in the nhl to make minimum just so you could have webber...

good call..

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Posted 30 October 2011 - 10:42 AM

besides bieksa is plenty mean. we don't want stupid mean and take penalties all the time.. did you watch last nights game... i loved when hammy and ovi were battling in front the puck came in luo tried to cover ovi was whacking at it bieksa came in and destroyed ovi....what more do you want?

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Posted 30 October 2011 - 11:01 AM

Willie Mitchell is the guy we want. A perfect partner for salo, making us have 2 of the best shutdown pairings in the league, but the only problem with this is salary cap issues and how we get mitchell. This way edler and ballard can focus on a more offensive game to replace ehrhoff
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Posted 30 October 2011 - 11:04 AM

Willie Mitchell is the guy we want. A perfect partner for salo, making us have 2 of the best shutdown pairings in the league, but the only problem with this is salary cap issues and how we get mitchell. This way edler and ballard can focus on a more offensive game to replace ehrhoff


uh hate to break it to ya but we already had bill pickle and we let him go..

ya ok you give me a minus for stating the obvious

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Posted 30 October 2011 - 11:57 AM

I agree. Our first concern was a top-six forward. We have that now in Booth and now our next need is a big, hard-hitting, defensive, right-handed defenseman.
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Posted 30 October 2011 - 12:06 PM

Weber did not look very mean in the 2nd round.


Coz he knew he is going to sign with the Canucks eventually.. He doesn't want to piss off the management or the owner

OR he just has a soft spot for his howntown team.
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Posted 30 October 2011 - 12:31 PM




i hate rap/dance but this actually is pretty well done.. kudos canucks hd

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Posted 30 October 2011 - 12:58 PM

Bieksa needs to play mean to be good


Bxa needs a lobotamy before he will consistently make good plays.
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