canucks since 77 Posted November 26, 2011 Share Posted November 26, 2011 Polygraph tests are used as a police investigative technique to pressure suspects and as you note results are not admissible at trial. Police know this but use these tests to get you to make incriminating statements or confess. Unlike the polygraph test results, your statements may be used in evidence against you at trial. One should NEVER agree to take a polygraph test administered by police. In R. v. Béland [1987] 2 S.C.R. 398 the Supreme Court of Canada held that polygraphs were inadmissible because they violated a number of rules of evidence. The polygraph: if used for showing credibility, would violate the rule against "oath-helping", which prevents the use of evidence only to prove good credibility.violates the rule against the admission of previous out of court statements.violates the character evidence rule that prohibits evidence that attacks character.is a type of expert evidence that must be excluded as matters of credibility are already within the experience of the judges and juries. It was also noted that the use of the polygraph will unnecessarily complicate the process and bring in too many uncertainties due to its frequency of error. Justice La Forest ruled that the polygraph had too much mystique that would unduly influence the jury, and the potential for opening up too many collateral issues. http://scc.lexum.org...87scr2-398.html Even the more limited area of employee screening which is way below criminal charges scientific evidence is clear... The (US) federal government should not rely on polygraph examinations for screening prospective or current employees to identify spies or other national-security risks because the test results are too inaccurate when used this way, says a new report from the National Academies' National Research Council. ... Polygraph testing now rests on weak scientific underpinnings despite nearly a century of study, the committee said. And much of the available evidence for judging its validity lacks scientific rigor. http://www8.national...?RecordID=10420 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canucks since 77 Posted November 26, 2011 Share Posted November 26, 2011 Doesn't matter that you agree with mandatory voting. That would be an infringement on my Charter Right not to vote, inherent with my Right to vote. Stop trying to erode my Canadian Chartered Rights and my Freedoms. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wetcoaster Posted November 26, 2011 Share Posted November 26, 2011 Doesn't matter that you agree with mandatory voting. That would be an infringement on my Charter Right not to vote, inherent with my Right to vote. Stop trying to erode my Canadian Chartered Rights and my Freedoms. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EmployeeoftheMonth Posted November 26, 2011 Share Posted November 26, 2011 More personal attacks. Should I quote C..D.C rules of conduct? No, thats been done enough already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canucks since 77 Posted November 26, 2011 Share Posted November 26, 2011 I'm not the guy with all the answers. I made some suggestions Probably most were bad. But, again if we pick and chose from a collective of ideas. We have to find a way to find out who nand what is slowly flushing our country down the toilet. Not being paranoid, but could talking like this get me "removed" permantly from society? whatever, It would be worth the risk. It seem to happen a lot in many other countries, including the U.S. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EmployeeoftheMonth Posted November 26, 2011 Share Posted November 26, 2011 You mean the ones that are being eroded while we chat? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EmployeeoftheMonth Posted November 26, 2011 Share Posted November 26, 2011 I'm not the guy with all the answers. I made some suggestions Probably most were bad. But, again if we pick and chose from a collective of ideas. We have to find a way to find out who nand what is slowly flushing our country down the toilet. Not being paranoid, but could talking like this get me "removed" permantly from society? whatever, It would be worth the risk. It seem to happen a lot in many other countries, including the U.S. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wetcoaster Posted November 26, 2011 Share Posted November 26, 2011 I would never suggest that the police administer polygaph tests to pollitions. I may be a crackpot, but i'm not stupid. Maybe they could use polygraph specialists administer it to an ethics committee of lawers who could administer it to proper people. By the way, after all is said and done and the dust settles we would have a huge surplus of legal experts to put to work defending canada on the world stage and world market. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canucks since 77 Posted November 26, 2011 Share Posted November 26, 2011 It's not a personal attack really. You are in fact acting a bit looney. You asked me earlier to tell you when you were in need of being reeled in; I did that and you made some weird comment about Walken being connected to a "murder" case. Can you honestly look back over the last 10 pages and say that you don't feel you've crossed the lines of sanity a bit? Take the opportunity to look back and really see what you've said. You have a comment about respect in your sig...now would be a great opportunity to earn back what you've lost. You're far better and far smarter than what you're showing here at times. I get that you're passionate about this and that's fantastic but that doesn't really change anything either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canucks since 77 Posted November 26, 2011 Share Posted November 26, 2011 The polygraph as no scientific validity. It is junk science of the first order - it is no more than an opinion of the polygraph examiner. The Canadian Bar Association has long standing policy of opposition to the use of the polygraph in courts as well as a screening tool. In Canada the only polygraph training is done through the Canadian Police College and the Polygraph Training Division of the Federal Police Science School. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canucks since 77 Posted November 26, 2011 Share Posted November 26, 2011 Yes exactly like those ones so then as SS said why are you trying to erode them even more? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wetcoaster Posted November 26, 2011 Share Posted November 26, 2011 I guess I will have to bow to your experience. So how do you suggest we find out who's been naughty or nice? Can't rely on Santa anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canucks since 77 Posted November 26, 2011 Share Posted November 26, 2011 No it couldn't in the slightest. The worry however would be that it could cause you to remove yourself from society? How much good can anyone do if they think everyone is the enemy and everything is {:content:}amp;*^? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EmployeeoftheMonth Posted November 26, 2011 Share Posted November 26, 2011 Sorry, but the apathy and smearing made me angry. But if you you've been reading the last few pages you'll see I am comenting and suggesting sanely. Feel free to propose ideas on on how we can better Canada. Thanks, I think the safe word has kicked in! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharpshooter Posted November 26, 2011 Share Posted November 26, 2011 You mean the ones that are being eroded while we chat? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canucks since 77 Posted November 26, 2011 Share Posted November 26, 2011 Judge people on their record. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharpshooter Posted November 26, 2011 Share Posted November 26, 2011 Judge people on their record. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wetcoaster Posted November 26, 2011 Share Posted November 26, 2011 Records can and are regularly falsified, as our current gov't has shown. We need a concrete way to tell who's lying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EmployeeoftheMonth Posted November 26, 2011 Share Posted November 26, 2011 Sorry, I'm not the one who is doing the eroding and you know it. Look towards the gov't that you voted for. I voted green. Seemed like the lesser of a great many evils, athough in hindsight I should have voted for the marijuana party. No pun intended. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canucks since 77 Posted November 26, 2011 Share Posted November 26, 2011 This made me laugh. It's true it's just such an odd statement to have to make. :D IMO for any real change you have to start with winnable battles. Trying to overthrow a government in Canada isn't winnable, trying any massive change with an unorganized, disillusioned and leaderless movement is not winnable, etc etc etc. Either these groups need to be shooting for a few smaller targets (legalization of marijuana, electoral reforms, etc etc) rather than this broad blast of everything under the god damn sun and moon. If these people want real change and real support they need to first stop referring to 99%. They aren't the 99% in the way they think they are and far more than 1% of people want to distance themselves from many the group as a whole; myself included. (Sorry but as a whole the "99%" is a joke.) Next they need to band all of these people together and get some actual leadership. This kum bye ya BS isn't going to do anything. Once they get the leadership they start garnering support. If it's a story the media will cover it. I know you have this belief that the media will only lie and will stand on the side on "conbots" but that's not true. The media will report on whatever is going to bring attention to their station. They were never reporting lies out of any camps they were just reporting the F ups who were making everybody look like morons. Why would they do this? F ups are entertaining that's why. I used to sometimes just watch my brother f up things. It was entertaining as all hell. Anywho...get leadership, garner support, legitimize the movement and then move into the political scene. I'm sorry to say but hanging outside a library or outside science world isn't going to do anything of any importance. Yes it's going to get the message out but that's as far as it probably go. Do you really think the majority of people don't think everything is completely f'ed up? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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