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#121 Gretzky's Mullet

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Posted 21 November 2012 - 11:10 AM

Yeah it's pretty dumb that they have a better overall record but just because Stanford managed to beat them once they're on top of the Pac-12 North even though Oregon's 10-1 and they're 9-2. What's the point of even playing the outside conference games then?

The FBS is really whack in their rankings. Take Alabama jumping back up to number 2 when they lost to a lesser rank team than Stanford was when they beat Oregon, just because they're in the SEC they automatically get the spot and Oregon moves down to number 5.

Forgive my rant I'm just a pretty bitter fan right now. :unsure:

I'll tell you exactly why that matters. Stanford has an out-of-conference loss in a close game against the nation's number 1 ranked team. Conversely, Oregon has three non-conference wins against 3 cupcakes who couldn't tell their own butts from a hole in the wall. To say that Stanford is 9-2 and Oregon 10-1 and therefore the Ducks should be ahead completely ignores the circumstances of those games. Oregon scheduled themselves an easy non-conference schedule with the thought that they'd breeze through the Pac-12 and not need any strength of schedule boost otherwise, and now that didn't happen and they're getting their just deserts.

The strength of the SEC isn't some kind of mirage. I don't particularly love that conference but it's legitimate. This year Alabama has run roughshod over everyone save for a close win vs LSU and a close loss vs the Aggies. The Aggies themselves have only lost to LSU and Florida (by an average of 4 pts per loss) while clobbering everyone else. Florida has only lost to Georgia, who's only lost to South Carolina, who's only lost two, against LSU and Florida. The pattern here is that all these teams are very evenly matched, and the level they're matched at is far above any potential opponent. If Ohio State were bowl eligible they'd certainly be in the mix. But look at Oregon. They've got a win against Washington, which looks like a quality victory, but otherwise they've availed against some very flawed opposition, like the Pac-12 bottom feeders and the decidedly average Arizona teams. And while they beat USC, they also gave up 51 points in the process. All that did was to alert the world that their defence couldn't handle any serious competition and that if they were forced to stay on the field instead of giving the ball to their offence to push the tempo, they couldn't stack up. Then along come the Cardinal with a decent defence for a change, and the Ducks looked completely ordinary. I'd say the Ducks are lucky at this point that with a win against the Beavers and a USC win vs the Irish (unlikely but possible) they're probably back in the title game. I'd say that if they had to play any of the top 5 SEC teams they'd probably lose.
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Posted 21 November 2012 - 06:47 PM

Alabama vs Notre Dame National Championship.

Who's excited. Does Notre Dame even have a chance?
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Posted 21 November 2012 - 07:40 PM

Alabama vs Notre Dame National Championship.

Who's excited. Does Notre Dame even have a chance?

Not me. I hate both teams. If the Aggies could somehow sneak in there, then I'd have someone to cheer for, or, I guess I'd be okay with the Bulldogs...
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Posted 21 November 2012 - 09:32 PM

Not me. I hate both teams. If the Aggies could somehow sneak in there, then I'd have someone to cheer for, or, I guess I'd be okay with the Bulldogs...


don't hate, appreciate :P

Go Irish!

edit: also really looking forward to the Ohio State-Michigan game

Edited by GodzillaDeuce, 21 November 2012 - 09:35 PM.

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Posted 22 November 2012 - 08:56 AM

don't hate, appreciate :P

Go Irish!

edit: also really looking forward to the Ohio State-Michigan game



Only time I ever pulled for the Irish is during the potato famine...

...and the first time I saw "Rudy".
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Posted 22 November 2012 - 10:50 AM

Not me. I hate both teams. If the Aggies could somehow sneak in there, then I'd have someone to cheer for, or, I guess I'd be okay with the Bulldogs...

Yeah, being that it's effectively a guarantee that we're seeing one of those, I'd love to see Johnny Football (truth be told I hate that nickname), though they're a long shot. Otherwise I'd be ok with Georgia.

I wonder if there will ever be a BCS Championship game under the current format that doesn't include an SEC team. Since the advent of the extra game in 2007, there has been at least one participant from that conference every year, and every one of those games was won by an SEC team. Most have been largely anticlimactic, though I will confess to having enjoyed both games that Florida won, and the Cam Newton v Oregon game was watchable (though I was really drunk so it might have just seemed that way). Alabama's two titles have been boring as hell, though the first sucked largely because Colt McCoy got hurt and the Longhorns were pretty uncompetitive without him. The last truly thrilling "title game" however would've had to have been the last one under the old format, USC v Texas in the Rose Bowl with Vince Young beating out Bush and Leinart. Coincidentally, the last time two non-SEC teams played for the title. Anyways, next year is the last of the current format, so hopefully the Big 10, Big 12 and Pac 12 shape up a little and we can see someone else win the last one.

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Posted 24 November 2012 - 11:10 AM

Go Blue! Very exciting Michigan-Ohio game right now. So sad that Denard Robinson's career is coming to a close, with this probably his penultimate appearance in a Wolverines uniform (a non-BCS bowl will most likely be the very last). Next year looks bright with Gardner under center but few players can ever match the excitement of Shoelace.
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Posted 24 November 2012 - 11:30 AM

Go Buckeyes!

that muffed punt sure hurt, but they followed up nicely.

As I write this Robinson runs for a td. Ohio State has no answer for the guy
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Posted 24 November 2012 - 06:17 PM

Go Buckeyes!

that muffed punt sure hurt, but they followed up nicely.

As I write this Robinson runs for a td. Ohio State has no answer for the guy

No they had no answer for him. Lucky for them Brady Hoke decided to basically sit him the entire fourth quarter. I think the guy is a good coach, but wow was it stupid to completely abandon the gameplan (ie running the ball) with the game close and on the line.
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Posted 24 November 2012 - 06:49 PM

No they had no answer for him. Lucky for them Brady Hoke decided to basically sit him the entire fourth quarter. I think the guy is a good coach, but wow was it stupid to completely abandon the gameplan (ie running the ball) with the game close and on the line.


was a close game, pretty exciting first half

Congrats Buckeyes on going 12-0!



Now the Irish game. Driving here, in the red zone....and td!
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Posted 01 December 2012 - 04:39 PM

wow Bama getting jobbed a bit here, PI called back by a pass that didn't look tipped and the very next play is a blocked field goal that goes all the way the other way for a Georgia td
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Posted 02 December 2012 - 06:38 PM

Dammit! I thought the Bulldogs were going to pull that one out. 'Bama and the Irish for the National Championship.

Oh well, there's sure to be a few bowl games that I can enjoy....
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Posted 03 December 2012 - 01:41 PM

I think Alabama vs ND actually does have some potential for excitement. I think the Tide will win, but it should at least be worth watching. I can't believe the Badgers pounded the Huskers as bad as they did either. Who would've imagined a Badgers-Cardinal Rose Bowl two weeks ago?

Good to see K-State redeem themselves back into the Fiesta too.
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Posted 03 December 2012 - 01:59 PM

I think Alabama vs ND actually does have some potential for excitement. I think the Tide will win, but it should at least be worth watching. I can't believe the Badgers pounded the Huskers as bad as they did either. Who would've imagined a Badgers-Cardinal Rose Bowl two weeks ago?

Good to see K-State redeem themselves back into the Fiesta too.



Seeing Nebraska get pounded was one of the highlights of my day. That, and seeing the Sooners knock off TCU.

Now I see that the Sooners are up against the Aggies in the Cotton bowl. That's one game that I'll be watching for sure...
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Posted 03 December 2012 - 05:59 PM

Seeing Nebraska get pounded was one of the highlights of my day. That, and seeing the Sooners knock off TCU.

Now I see that the Sooners are up against the Aggies in the Cotton bowl. That's one game that I'll be watching for sure...

That's one of the best Bowl matchups of the year, including the BCS. I like that it doesn't conflict with any other important bowl too (January 4th). Can't miss. The whole BCS actually looks pretty good this year actually, though I'll probably skip the Orange Bowl. Of the non-BCS, along with the Cotton, the Outback Bowl (Denard's last game) should be pretty exciting, and the Las Vegas Bowl has Boise State vs Washington Huskies, which has a lot of entertainment potential.
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Posted 04 December 2012 - 07:34 PM

I'm going to point out that I hate that Florida is going to the Sugar Bowl instead of Georgia. When you think about it, all Georgia did to get demoted from the 3rd overall seed to 7th was lose to the 2nd overall seed, in a very close game in a conference championship that Florida didn't even have to play. So by virtue of sitting (since they couldn't earn their way into that championship game) the Gators can leapfrog a team that has to play? So so stupid. Not to mention that Georgia actually beat Florida head to head this year.
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Posted 05 December 2012 - 04:24 AM

Johnny Football is amazing. He should win the Heisman and be the first ever freshmen to win the award.

Teo is a good player but he gets way more pub because he plays for the undefeated Irish.

Manziel broke both Tebow and Newton's records for yards in a season in their Heisman trophy winning years.

It should be a no brainer but the votes will probably still be close because of the Notre Dame effect.
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Posted 06 December 2012 - 01:44 PM

Johnny Football is amazing. He should win the Heisman and be the first ever freshmen to win the award.

Teo is a good player but he gets way more pub because he plays for the undefeated Irish.

Manziel broke both Tebow and Newton's records for yards in a season in their Heisman trophy winning years.

It should be a no brainer but the votes will probably still be close because of the Notre Dame effect.


Is the voting done before bowl season?

I'm an Oklahoma fan, but I think Manziel will put up some big numbers on the Sooners' defense. I just hope Jones can keep up...
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Posted 06 December 2012 - 10:17 PM

Is the voting done before bowl season?

I'm an Oklahoma fan, but I think Manziel will put up some big numbers on the Sooners' defense. I just hope Jones can keep up...


The Heisman announcement is this Saturday. The votes have already been cast. The polls are showing a close race between Manziel and Te'o.

I still think Manziel will win being a qb going against a defensive player but it will be close.
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Posted 07 December 2012 - 10:43 AM

I think the vote should be close, as both players could make a case for being deserving. I happen to think that the hype around Manziel and the fact that he's a QB will probably push it to him.

I also think the Aggies are going to beat the Sooners in the Cotton Bowl, sorry Rupert. I've been wrong before, but I just think the Aggies will be better on both sides of the ball. Looking at the balance of their games, the Sooners have only beaten one opponent that ended the season ranked, and it was the largely unimpressive Longhorns in the Red River game. Granted, the Aggies played an easier SEC schedule than some of the other teams in that conference (eg: did not have to play Georgia or South Carolina), and they lost (albeit by tiny margins) against LSU and Florida at home, however, they also beat Alabama in Tuscaloosa, which probably qualifies as the single biggest victory by any team in college football all season. Both teams have some question marks on the defensive end, but that's far more serious of a problem for Oklahoma, who gave up a combined 97 points in back-to-back barnburners against West Virginia and Oklahoma State. They won both games, but demonstrated they can't stop the run, giving up over 300 yards rushing to the Mountaineers' Tavon Austin and 5 rushing TD's against the Cowboys. Up against the balanced attack of Manziel, as well as the underrated but capable Malena, I think the Sooners will have real problems.

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Posted 08 December 2012 - 09:22 PM

I think the vote should be close, as both players could make a case for being deserving. I happen to think that the hype around Manziel and the fact that he's a QB will probably push it to him.

I also think the Aggies are going to beat the Sooners in the Cotton Bowl, sorry Rupert. I've been wrong before, but I just think the Aggies will be better on both sides of the ball. Looking at the balance of their games, the Sooners have only beaten one opponent that ended the season ranked, and it was the largely unimpressive Longhorns in the Red River game. Granted, the Aggies played an easier SEC schedule than some of the other teams in that conference (eg: did not have to play Georgia or South Carolina), and they lost (albeit by tiny margins) against LSU and Florida at home, however, they also beat Alabama in Tuscaloosa, which probably qualifies as the single biggest victory by any team in college football all season. Both teams have some question marks on the defensive end, but that's far more serious of a problem for Oklahoma, who gave up a combined 97 points in back-to-back barnburners against West Virginia and Oklahoma State. They won both games, but demonstrated they can't stop the run, giving up over 300 yards rushing to the Mountaineers' Tavon Austin and 5 rushing TD's against the Cowboys. Up against the balanced attack of Manziel, as well as the underrated but capable Malena, I think the Sooners will have real problems.

Sorry to admit, but I think you're right, GM. I watched that game against the Mountaineers and frankly, I was embarrassed by the Sooners' run defense. (actually there wasn't any)

But hey, what can you do? Your team is your team....
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Posted 10 December 2012 - 11:14 AM

My wife's really big on making plans in advance, and I took one look at our calendar for January and canceled my way out of a plan made with a bunch of other people on Friday the 4th so I can watch the Cotton Bowl. Hopefully the Aggies and Sooners can make it worth the lambasting I got over that one.
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Posted 10 December 2012 - 11:18 AM

My wife's really big on making plans in advance, and I took one look at our calendar for January and canceled my way out of a plan made with a bunch of other people on Friday the 4th so I can watch the Cotton Bowl. Hopefully the Aggies and Sooners can make it worth the lambasting I got over that one.


Even a bad day of football is better than holiday visiting...
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Posted 10 December 2012 - 04:27 PM

Yeah but there's also the doghouse you gotta worry about. I think I may have avoided it but it's too early to tell.

EDIT: Nope, I got in trouble again. It came up in conversation, and I got asked why I care to watch a game between two schools I'm not associated with in any way. I mentioned that she doesn't know any of the people competing on X-Factor either and yet she watches that so what's the difference. Later I couldn't help but notice that we went quite promptly to sleep after getting into bed. Women, what can you do?

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Posted 15 December 2012 - 02:41 PM

Unreal comeback by Arizona.
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Posted 16 December 2012 - 10:35 AM

That was a huge game to kick off Bowl season yeah. I watched the 2nd and 3rd quarters at the gym, and then left and didn't bother to turn the TV on when I got home, thinking that Nevada basically had it wrapped up. Stupid me. Not to mention that I was also flipping to Butler vs Indiana in hoops and Butler toppled the #1 team in OT, and I didn't catch the end of that either.

The Idaho Potato Bowl (formerly the Humanitarian Bowl) was less entertaining, but still had its moments. Utah State played its last WAC game in style, pounding the injury depleted Toledo, and showing they're ready to be a big cheese in the Mountain West. Chuckie Keeton is only a sophomore, and looked incredible yesterday. Look for that team to challenge for a bigger bowl next year.

Incidentally, I don't know why the NCAA can't force title sponsors to give bowls a dignified name and then just add their name before it. Eg: they may call the Orange Bowl the "Discover" Orange Bowl and the Rose Bowl "presented by Vizio" but at least they don't call them the Discover Bowl and the Vizio Bowl. Yet this week we have the "Beef'O'Brady's Bowl", which used to be called the St Petersburg Bowl but now it's officially the BoB Bowl St Petersburg. I'm not going to watch it on principle, nor will I watch the Little Caesars Bowl (formerly Motor City Bowl) or the Peach Bowl which is now the Chick-Fil-A Bowl (and which is actually a really compelling matchup, LSU and Clemson). I wish they'd realize that letting the sponsors give it a stupid name like that demeans it, though I guess selling out is what the NCAA does best. The "Citrus Bowl" is now the "Capital One Bowl", the Mobile Bowl is the "GoDaddy.com Bowl" (that one didn't have much history, it pretty much sucks), the Hall of Fame Bowl is now the "Outback Bowl", the Texas Bowl is now the "Meineke Car Care of Texas Bowl", the Queen City Bowl is now the "Belk Bowl" (also a crappy one with no real history). At least the "Heart of Dallas Bowl", which is a new one, has that name based on a charitable organization that uses sports to raise money for local charities.
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Posted 03 January 2013 - 08:13 PM

No love for the Oregan ducks and the amazing Tostito bowl going on right now.

The loss to Stanford hurts even more, woulda loved to see them beat down on SEC or the fluke fighting Irish
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Posted 03 January 2013 - 08:17 PM

No love for the Oregan ducks and the amazing Tostito bowl going on right now.

The loss to Stanford hurts even more, woulda loved to see them beat down on SEC or the fluke fighting Irish


Ah hell yeah...man that loss stung so bad...the Ducks would pulverize either one of Alabama or Notre Dame...wouldn't even be close...Pac-10-now 12 fan all my life...Cal Berkeley in hoops, Oregon in football..never gonna change..Go Ducks!
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Well I tell you what Heretic..if Tim Tebow becomes Terry Bradshaw I will shave off all my hair, convert to Christianity, go into the ministry and become a preacher.

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Posted 03 January 2013 - 08:27 PM

Hell ya, I sure hope we don't lose Chip!

And ya, Alabama is extremely overrated they couldn't handle Texas A&M whatsoever can you imagine how traumatizing the ducks would have been? 89-3 ducks

Haha

I think k-state and O are the best in the nation.

Def ain't FLA and Georgia almost lost to Nebraska
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Posted 03 January 2013 - 08:30 PM

Hell ya, I sure hope we don't lose Chip!

And ya, Alabama is extremely overrated they couldn't handle Texas A&M whatsoever can you imagine how traumatizing the ducks would have been? 89-3 ducks

Haha

I think k-state and O are the best in the nation.

Def ain't FLA and Georgia almost lost to Nebraska


Watching the SEC is like watching paint dry. Even the SEC Championship game was excruciating...Offensively challenged, to say the least.
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View PostScott Hartnell, on 11 June 2013 - 02:11 PM, said:

Well I tell you what Heretic..if Tim Tebow becomes Terry Bradshaw I will shave off all my hair, convert to Christianity, go into the ministry and become a preacher.




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