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#31 WEwantCUP

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Posted 22 December 2011 - 06:12 PM

well, right now, it's pretty one-sided in Giroux's favour.
But CoHo, has two things going for him:

1) CoHo is a better nickname than "G" (Cody's nickname is also a type of salmon)
2) Cody has more teeth than Giroux (i.e. Giroux has less teeth than Cody)

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Posted 22 December 2011 - 06:22 PM

Ah, but you are looking solely at Giroux. I never said that Hodgson can't reach that level if he was to be given the opportunity, just that he won't as that opportunity won't come.

I realize that Hodgson has the capacity for that sort of thing, but will it be untapped in two years, with this kind of team? NO. There are different circumstances surrounding Hodgson vs. Giroux.

Carter + Richards =/= Sedin + Sedin + Kesler

Try again.


how about Philly went to the cup as well??
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Posted 22 December 2011 - 06:26 PM

Ya... if you make that comparison then Hodgson sucks monkey nuts.

I can't believe folks on here that need to think that every prospect is going to be an elite franchise guy who will lead the league at their position.

Hodgson has supplanted Malhotra on the 3rd line (partially due to Malhotra falling off)... that is an amazing accomplishment for a rookie. If he can become a solid 3rd line centre and that is all he ever does in his career, then that is a remarkable achievement for a guy drafted in his position.



I couldnt disagree more, Cody is drafted 10th overall! and he was drafted for his vision, playmaking, and leadership abilities... If all he ever accomplishes is 3rd line Centre then I for one will be very disappointed and will consider him a bust.
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Posted 22 December 2011 - 06:33 PM

Honestly Hodgson with Hansen and Higgins will be awesome. They will be as effective point producers as Kes' line.
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Posted 22 December 2011 - 06:34 PM

I couldnt disagree more, Cody is drafted 10th overall! and he was drafted for his vision, playmaking, and leadership abilities... If all he ever accomplishes is 3rd line Centre then I for one will be very disappointed and will consider him a bust.


Then you are delusional and have no concept of how draft picks turn out historically. Beyond the lottery picks you are basically looking at a crap shoot as to who turns out or not.

A #10 pick historically has almost no chance to be a franchise player and would be expected to fall in the fringe NHLer to Regular (bottom of the roster) player.

Here is a story that I have posted several times before that explains it. Of course, as a delusional person I would assume that your answer would be "but Hodgson is an exception and is better than his draft position indicates!" I have heard that about every Canucks 1st rounder in the past 20 years and it doesn't tend to turn out to be true.

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=282241

I have seen this story play out over and over... people have ridiculous expectations, then when reality hits they blame the player, coach, management. linemates.... pretty much anyone in the organization. Instead they should be blaming their expectations that are based on nothing but fantasy.
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Posted 22 December 2011 - 06:35 PM

Great post, and hodgson has potential to be elite, you can see his amazing vision, not all elite players become like that right away.
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Posted 22 December 2011 - 06:35 PM

The thing that's surprised me most about Hodgson is how when he engages defenders on the boards, he almost always ends up with the puck. It takes a lot of skill and practice to use body positioning and angles to know where the puck will end up and be able to get position on a defender, and even then it takes strength and size, something most rookies lack. His vision is a close second.

It's a bit early to bring out the comparisons, but let's just say that Hodgson's future looks bright.
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Posted 22 December 2011 - 06:38 PM

Really? Since when did I dismiss his potential? Obviously you misread/misinterpreted my post.

Of course Hodgson has great potential, but in terms of ice time, and by extension his point totals, it's extremely limited by this teams depth. You can see it right now, if he wasn't playing behind some great players he would be eating up all the ice time he gets, the way Nugent-Hopkins does in Edmonton.

Sure I never ruled out the possibility of injuries, but at length it's an 82 game season and unless the Sedins and Kesler are both either out for the whole season or magically traded, Hodgson cannot produce at Giroux's level in 2 years. That's just not realistic. You can try telling me otherwise, but there's no logical basis for that. But for the heck of it, I encourage you to chew on this tell me I'm wrong statement: Hodgson will be a great player, but he will NOT be leading the league in scoring in two seasons.


"Secondly, your little timeline loses its integrity when you get to the part of putting Giroux on the top line, b/c that's just not going to happen with CoHo"

I have copied and pasted what you said. How can those words be interpreted any differently than how I interpreted them.

You may be right but I bet you would not wager one year's salary on your comment either. That is what makes the internet so inviting to those who will go out on a limb and make ridiculous predictions. They lose nothing if they are wrong and it is a lot of fun to try to bolster up their ego in the eyes of those who don't know them from Adam. Anything is possible and anyone who does not agree will argue just for the sake of arguement just to build up that ego I spoke of.

As I said before, you are dismissing Hodgson far to easily because like me, you really don't have a clue how things will turn out with him. You are judging him simply by his rookie record. Was Giroux CHL player of the year; the OHL MVP. I do not see the awards in his resume that I see in Hodgson's history as a junior. My point is, you cannot predict the future so why even give me a silly little tell me I'm wrong statement to chew on as it only makes you look silly. I will agree that Giroux has proved himself to be a dandy and just maybe so will Cody. Who can ever say for sure and that is my point.

Edited by SimplyHockey, 22 December 2011 - 06:39 PM.

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Posted 22 December 2011 - 06:50 PM

Giroux, at this point both has blinding speed AND he's playing the game aggressively.

When I've watched Philly he pushes the puck straight to the net and up the ice hard. What he really remind's me of is a miniature Kesler; who has Hodgsons playmaking skills. Joe Sakic would be a better comparison? It allows him to score like Kess and distribute like Hodgson.

Oh; Leaps and bounds NO, CoHo is pretty talented! What a pretty slapshot goal he scored yesterday. But it will be fun to see how Hodgson matures. He has a unique ability to slow a play down and let plays develop. If he can add pace and start forcing plays also, like Giroux, he will be pretty exciting. Giroux appears he will MVP this year? I've been one of Hodgson's stronger supporters here on CDC (and I'm defending him here Posted Image). But i dont project him that far up the food chain either.

Cheers

Except Giroux is leaps and bounds more skilled.




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Posted 22 December 2011 - 06:53 PM

[quote name='SimplyHockey' timestamp='1324604317' post='10257668']

"Anything is possible"??
I guess alberts can be a top line forward too, if he get's a shot. ANYTHING IS POSSIBLE. right?
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Posted 22 December 2011 - 06:57 PM

The difference between Cody's skating now vs. last season is unbelievable.


Exactly, that's probably one of the areas the coaching staff was really impressed about him coming into camp. If he continues to work on his skating and foot-speed during the off-season, he's just going to get even better and dangerous offensively. It's hard to tell what type of player Cody Hodgson will be in a year or two because there's still lots of room for him to improve, so we'll just have to wait and see.

Although I give you credit for the interesting statistics and information, an interesting read.
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Posted 22 December 2011 - 07:07 PM

Or like Adam Oates?

Who usually scored 70 to 80 points; but scored a lot more when he got the chance to play with guys like Brett Hull. He was the primary set up man when good ol Brett was ripping off 70 and 86 goal seasons.

A different comparison; he looks a lot than a young Henrik Sedin, perhaps even better, cuz he can shoot). Maybe i could change my mind, and maybe Co Ho could be an MVP sommeday? But Henrik is a bit of a freak, in that he improved his play pretty much EVERY year for 10 years straight.

The near future is easier to predict. I've posted this before, CoHo will be taking over the 2knd line center spot sometime in the next year or so (not yet). Whether he centers a big fast winger named Kesler, or Kess moves up to play with the Twins is the only question.

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I've always compared Hodgson to a guy like Paul Stastny. Great playmaker and 2-way abilities. Consistent 70-80 point player.




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Posted 22 December 2011 - 07:13 PM

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Appears you have not mastered how to post yet so I will simply commend you on the intelligence of your post. Hope it was not too straining for you.
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Posted 22 December 2011 - 07:14 PM

Or like Adam Oates?

Who usually scored 70 to 80 points; but scored a lot more when he got the chance to play with guys like Brett Hull. He was the primary set up man when good ol Brett was ripping off 70 and 86 goal seasons.

A different comparison; he looks a lot than a young Henrik Sedin, perhaps even better, cuz he can shoot). Maybe i could change my mind, and maybe Co Ho could be an MVP sommeday? But Henrik is a bit of a freak, in that he improved his play pretty much EVERY year for 10 years straight.

The near future is easier to predict. I've posted this before, CoHo will be taking over the 2knd line center spot sometime in the next year or so (not yet). Whether he centers a big fast winger named Kesler, or Kess moves up to play with the Twins is the only question.

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hes gotta be the best passer on the team not named sedin
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Posted 22 December 2011 - 07:30 PM

does this mean were trading the sedins in some sick deranged world????
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Posted 22 December 2011 - 07:38 PM

If Cody was given the ice time that Giroux gets, along with playing with wingers that can actually finish, he'd be getting tons of points.


If he got the ice time Giroux gets it would be at the expense of players who are far better at this point than Cody is and the team would be worse for it.
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Posted 22 December 2011 - 07:40 PM

how about Philly went to the cup as well??


You mentioned how Carter and Richards were having their best seasons 3 years ago. My rebuttal was that they were not driving forces behind the Flyers cup run at that particular time. They had 84 and 80 pt seasons respectively in their career years then. And afterwards, they did make the SCF, but that was only 2 years ago. Do you know how many points they accumulated over that cup run? 7 points and 23 points respectively ... still not quite elite level. And of course, it kept going downhill from there, so they were far from untouchable.
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Posted 22 December 2011 - 08:06 PM

Upon Booth's return

Sedin Sedin Burrows
Higgins Kesler Booth
Raymond Hodgson Hansen
Malhotra Lapierre Ebbet/Bitz

Except raymond will be on the with booth the way he's been playing and that's not saying higgins hasn't played well.
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Posted 22 December 2011 - 08:15 PM

It's like comparing apples and oranges.
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Posted 22 December 2011 - 08:20 PM

It's like comparing apples and oranges.

How different are apples and oranges, really? They're both fruit. They're both round. They're similar in size.

Now if you said "it's like comparing apples and furniture" I think that would get the point across better. Unless you are saying that they are similar players.
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Posted 22 December 2011 - 08:27 PM

Except raymond will be on the with booth the way he's been playing and that's not saying higgins hasn't played well.


i think just for the speed alone , a booth kesler raymond line is eventually going to be seen , cant wait

we got a real fast team
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Posted 22 December 2011 - 08:31 PM

Hodgeson will be awesome. And he will either be moved or he will be on a very dangerous 2nd line. His pedigree is that good. He started slow this year , if he is not injured i see him getting 57 to 65 points and having a better secouind half than first half. The slap shot goal last night showed where his confidence is getting too, Picking his spot on the fly in a pressure packed game, we will see more of this. He is very smart the begginning of the season he was bouncing passes of other players sticks, now he is playing to their skill and setting up the players that can finnish the plays.
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Posted 22 December 2011 - 08:44 PM

I don't really follow Giroux that much, can anyone summarize what type of player Giroux is before I make any comment
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Posted 22 December 2011 - 08:49 PM

If I were to compare Hodgson to another player, it would be to one of our own: Henrik Sedin.
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Posted 22 December 2011 - 08:56 PM

If I were to compare Hodgson to another player, it would be to one of our own: Henrik Sedin.


Nope. Cody Hodgson has, as we saw last night, a WICKED shot... powerful wrister and slapper. He hasn't displayed it much as of yet, but we are going to see alot of SNIPES from the kid in the years to come. Hank can only dream of scoring a goal like Cody's last night. Of course, Hank's skills in many other areas are UNWORLDLY, but his shot is kinda average.
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Posted 22 December 2011 - 09:04 PM

You mentioned how Carter and Richards were having their best seasons 3 years ago. My rebuttal was that they were not driving forces behind the Flyers cup run at <i>that</i> particular time. They had 84 and 80 pt seasons respectively in their career years then. And afterwards, they did make the SCF, but that was only 2 years ago. Do you know how many points they accumulated over that cup run? 7 points and 23 points respectively ... still not quite elite level. And of course, it kept going downhill from there, so they were far from untouchable.


23 points in the playoffs isn't elite enough for you? That's almost a ppg but playing against only the best teams. Going by that logic we have no elite players since Henrik led the Canucks in points last playoffs and he only had 22
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Posted 22 December 2011 - 09:06 PM

doesn't hurt to hope
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Posted 22 December 2011 - 09:10 PM

23 points in the playoffs isn't elite enough for you? That's almost a ppg but playing against only the best teams. Going by that logic we have no elite players since Henrik led the Canucks in points last playoffs and he only had 22


Well the OP was talking about Richards and Carter, not just Richards. Once again, Carter was average at best with 7 points. Go ahead and ignore that, but it's there. You don't mention Hank's point production without Danny's.

Anyways my point stands. They both degraded quite a bit in play over the past few seasons and became rather move-able.
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Posted 22 December 2011 - 09:16 PM

If I were to compare Hodgson to another player, it would be to one of our own: Henrik Sedin.

Not really.

He doesn't really compare to a current Canuck, the best past Canuck to compare him to is probably Geoff Courtnall. Cody will probably never be as good a skater as Courtnall was, but they are similar size who possessed great patience, vision and playmaking skills with underrated scoring abilities. AT his best, he was an 80 points player and even hit 40 goals once and averaged 62 points per season throughout his career.
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Posted 22 December 2011 - 09:19 PM

The difference between Cody's skating now vs. last season is unbelievable.


Yeah, he is quietly improving game by game. Imagine what kind of player he would be 5 years from now. It's hard to predict but I don't think he's a bust. They compared him to Drury at the Draft. We'll see..

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