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#151 لني

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Posted 16 January 2012 - 10:44 PM

Are you a total idiot ??? ...or just a part time idiot??? your parents want to know, not me.

With some of the comments you've made in the last posts I'd say you are in no position to ask if other are of your ilk...

Edited by Lonny Bohonos, 16 January 2012 - 10:46 PM.

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It is not my intent to get in circular arguments with anybody. The reason i have avoided saying anything specific is because i know you or someone else will attempt to find an alternate explanation to my points which i intern will have to defend. I see no point in getting involved with the circular argument that is already well under way in this thread. I simply intended to voice my opinion on the subject. In the end either you accept the possibility of corruption and conspiracy or you don't.

Also i find your comments to be very childish. Does taking what i say out of context, paraphrasing and misquoting it make you feel good about yourself? Grow up.


Logic at its finest.

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Posted 16 January 2012 - 10:45 PM

Are you a total idiot ??? ...or just a part time idiot??? your parents want to know, not me.


Are you really going to insult my writing, then articulate yourself like that?

Honestly, you've basically cemented the fact that you're twelve. Grow up.
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Posted 16 January 2012 - 10:50 PM

<BR>With some of the comments you've made in the last posts I'd say you are in no position to ask if other are of your ilk...<BR>

<BR><BR>For the last time , would you please play "shake it up" by the Cars ??? <BR><BR><BR>Is that "suddenly" asking too much of you for all of us?<BR><BR><IMG class=bbc_emoticon alt=:shock: src="http://content.forum...t/2utgv3d.gif">

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Posted 16 January 2012 - 11:05 PM

Are you really going to insult my writing, then articulate yourself like that?

Honestly, you've basically cemented the fact that you're twelve. Grow up.



Why don't you understand that it's called CONCRETE, and not CEMENT ?
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Posted 16 January 2012 - 11:07 PM

Cue the Kesler for Weber proposals!


BY BRAD ZIEMER, VANCOUVER SUN JANUARY 16, 2012
VANCOUVER — Vancouver Canucks centre Ryan Kesler was clearly displeased today to hear about a comment made about his game by coach Alain Vigneault.

After Sunday night's lacklustre 4-2 loss to the Anaheim Ducks, Vigneault was asked what was wrong with Kesler, whose numbers are down this season and in more than 19 minutes of ice time Sunday night failed to register a shot on goal.

"I think he has to use the players around him a little bit more so that he can get into open space and create the type of offensive chances and be the type of defensive player that he can be," Vigneault said.

Kesler was not aware of those comments until today and bristled when they were put to him by reporters following the team's practice at Rogers Arena.

"Me utilize my players?" Kesler said, before adding: "Obviously, I don't know what he means by that and if he wants to say that he can come to me and talk to me about it.

"I am going to play my game, the things that have made me successful. I know what that is and if he wants to come talk to me he is more than welcome."

Kesler had off-season hip surgery and missed the first five game of the regular season.

This season, he has 12 goals and 31 points in 40 games. Last season, Kesler had a career-high 41 goals, 73 points and won the Selke Trophy as the NHL's top defensive forward.

Asked today if he was living up to his own expectations this season, Kesler said: "Some games, yeah. Obviously, no one is perfect. I am far from it. I go on the ice expecting the best and I am going to expect the best tomorrow night."

The Canucks play host to the Los Angeles Kings on Tuesday night (7 p.m., Sportsnet Pacific, Team 1040).

Kesler acknowledged it took him some time to feel like he had completely recovered from his hip surgery when he returned this season.

"The first 10 or 15 games I just didn't have it, but I feel my game and skating is back to where it should be at," he said today.

After today's practice, Vigneault emphasized that Kesler is not the only top Canuck player struggling.

"Ryan and Hank and Danny (Sedin), I can name quite a few other guys who (are struggling)," Vigneault said. "Sometimes players are going to be a little bit off. Right now we have a couple of guys who are just a tad off. They are aware of it, it's not from lack of preparation or trying. You are going to get these moments in a season."

Vigneault also addressed the inconsistency of Kesler's play.

"I think in Ryan's case what happens is he has shown that high, high-end level at really critical times the type of player he can be," Vigneault said. "And that's a really tough thing to be able to maintain in an 82-game schedule. Everybody is looking to Ryan to do that on a consistent basis. That's not easy for any player to do.

"Ryan being the competitive individual that he is will always try to achieve that standard. It's not easy so he's working on trying to get himself there and get himself there on that consistent basis."


When is Coach V going to realize that Kesler should play right wing - he is not and never will be a play maker - I would love to see Hodgson centre that line with Kesler and Booth on the wings. Hodgson IS a play maker and should be allowed to play his natural position (not right wing))
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Posted 16 January 2012 - 11:17 PM

Why don't you understand that it's called CONCRETE, and not CEMENT ?


Are you not familiar with slang?

As if it were relevant at all.
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Posted 16 January 2012 - 11:18 PM

What the hell is wrong with Vancouver?

He had Major hip surgery in the off-season and is still playing pretty well but leave it up to the media and cdc to slam the guy. I'm starting to hate this place.

When Ryan Kesler doesn't "register a shot on goal", not ONE, against a terrible Anaheim Ducks team, it's not slamming the guy to say his numbers/performance are/is down from last season.
The article even aknowledges his hip surgery. Even Kes aknowledges his hip surgery.
I sometimes get the feeling that uneducated people like to feel big by putting down "the media" because it's an easy target. The evil media. Planting ideas in other people's heads.
If you'd paid close attention, you would have noticed that the article was fairly centered and simply reported some things that were said by other people, AV being one of them. Was AV slamming him? Is AV a part of the media? CDC?
You may be right to hate this place, but not for the right reasons.
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Posted 16 January 2012 - 11:22 PM

<br />That was such an unprofessional thing for a coach to say. How does one of the best all around hockey player's  in the world, and the hardest working Vancouver Canuck in the history of the team or since Stan Smyl deserve to take a shot at his heart. and his reputation ?<br />How does AV never criticize Luongo when he sucks, or Bieksa when he sucks or Raymond or the Sedins when they suck or Alberts or Rome or anyone else? Edler? Malhotra?, and why in the media????<br />Give me a break AV, why don't you just hold a press conference about how you think your i.e Stable Boy could be more efficiently  shovelling that manure into your truck, while your at it?( By the way, he won't show up again)<br />Anyone who does'nt have the over 80 IQ to play Burrows with Kesler, and is too gutless to pull Luongo for fear of harming his feelings (err stock price), sure has the nerve to criticise anyone but himself.<br />Ryan Kesler is the last guy in the organiztion who deserves any criticism whatsoever when it comes to his effort,smarts and skill.<br />From AV's poor line combinations, to covering up his players injuries,(possible stock price decline), to cutting certain players who could be helping us today,(yes you too MG), to sitting Schneider forever and then playing him forever till we lose, just proves to me that he's just not all that smart to put it kindly.<br />Kesler obviously sets the bar very high for the rest of the team, who will undoubtedly, admit he is the best on the team in terms of heart and soul and skill and how we would go back to below average without him..<br />AV has absolutely got to go. We need a coach who actually cares. i.e  show's and actually feels some emotion. Someone a little more like say ....myself err.I mean Rick Bowness!!! that is.<br /><br /><br /><br /><img src='http://content.forum...con_mrgreen.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':mrgreen:' /> <img src='http://content.forum...emot-parrot.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':emot-parrot:' /><br />

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Did the Valium prescription expire again?? .. :P
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Posted 16 January 2012 - 11:22 PM

Are you not familiar with slang?

As if it were relevant at all.



Goodnight!........., and great if I never here from you again., thanks!:huh:
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Posted 16 January 2012 - 11:24 PM

<br />Calling out someone after a hip operaton only 7 months ago is so fracking low that I have been rendered speechless, but ESPECIALLY Ryan Kesler.<br />AV either apologize to the media or resign. Seriously !!!<br />


How can anyone take you seriously. And you have not been rendered speechless. You keep posting silly remarks.
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Posted 16 January 2012 - 11:32 PM

:bored:

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Did the Valium prescription expire again?? .. :P



Actually, I just farted, and it made me think of you. Sorry about that.:( :mrgreen:
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Posted 16 January 2012 - 11:33 PM

<br />Why don't you understand that it's called CONCRETE, and not CEMENT ?<br />


Now that you brought it up, tell me what the differnce is between concrete and cement. There is a difference you know.
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Posted 16 January 2012 - 11:34 PM

1. Learn to write properly.
2. Don't be a disrespectful jackass
3. Ask me foe me,r an apology. (for your own selfish reasons of course).


Excuse me,is this CDC or are we at your house after school?
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Posted 17 January 2012 - 12:18 AM

Now that you brought it up, tell me what the differnce is between concrete and cement. There is a difference you know.



Cement plus water= Cement plus water ? I have no fracking idea about the difference. I say we ask MG or maybe Mr. Hodgson?. , so sorry that I'm not as smart as you thought I was!. I guess I should have taken concrete 101 at BCIT all those many years ago. Heres where we all pay the price. Sorry for the laziness!.
Truly yours
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Posted 17 January 2012 - 12:23 AM

<br />Cement plus water= Cement plus water ?  I have no fracking idea about the difference. I say we ask MG or maybe Mr. Hodgson?. , so sorry that I'm not as smart as you thought I was!. I guess I should have taken concrete 101 at BCIT all those many years ago. Heres where we all pay the price. Sorry for the laziness!. <br />Truly yours<br />Cement Head<br />


Concrete = Cement + Sand + Gravel + Water. No need to take Concrete 101. Easy as pie
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Posted 17 January 2012 - 12:25 AM

AV knows what he's talking about man. Kesler STOP 1 MANING.Posted Image
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Wait....... what about Raymond?Posted Image

Yeah imagine if Kesler had spoken his true mind at that moment??

Instead of ""Me utilize my players?"

It was surely just what you said ;)

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Posted 17 January 2012 - 12:28 AM

<br /><img src='http://content.forum...fault/bored.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':bored:' /> <br /><br /><br />Actually, I just farted, and it made me think of you. Sorry about that.<img src='http://content.forum...default/sad.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':(' /> <img src='http://content.forum...con_mrgreen.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':mrgreen:' /><br />

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You just farted did you? .. well my advice is .. hold your breath and you will go away .. maybe .. hopefully .. :D
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Posted 17 January 2012 - 12:29 AM

Plays with passion, this is to be expected.
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Posted 17 January 2012 - 12:43 AM

Yeah because I think Kesler saying AV can talk to him about his game will spark trade proposals. :huh: It's just another case of the media trying to start something, and people get brainwashed by it.

Exactly.

The sad thing is people will believe it all....and this is a sheer case of media presenting everything totally out of context.

Gives more empty ammo for the anti-AV set that still wrongfully project the myth that AV calls out players thru the media....when in fact he is pretty much offering answers to questions.

All in all...the team is off. Pretty easy to speculate that they are tired.

Wish they had San Jose's sched.



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Posted 17 January 2012 - 12:47 AM

Exactly.

The sad thing is people will believe it all....and this is a sheer case of media presenting everything totally out of context.

Gives more empty ammo for the anti-AV set that still wrongfully project the myth that AV calls out players thru the media....when in fact he is pretty much offering answers to questions.

All in all...the team is off. Pretty easy to speculate that they are tired.

Wish they had San Jose's sched.


Well, the media took the parts of AV's quote in which it sounded like he was getting mad at Kesler, and then the media transferred that over and asked Kesler about it, without any of the positive in AV's quote. It was pretty clear what the media was trying to do there.

I also think the guys are tired as well, that All-Star break can't come soon enough.

Also, good to see you again BedBeats! :towel:
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Posted 17 January 2012 - 12:48 AM

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You just farted did you? .. well my advice is .. hold your breath and you will go away .. maybe .. hopefully .. :D



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Posted 17 January 2012 - 12:49 AM

It's not like u girls dont try and inflate or exagerate things? Posted Image

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With erect things outta the way (do girls, reporters or otherwise ever talk about these things, find ways to post them or make them noticeable?? ?Posted Image Posted ImagePosted Image) ;


There is nothing inflamatory about what AV said! It's painfully obvious to everybody and Kess does need to deal with it >

"I think he has to use the players around him a little bit more so that he can get into open space and create the type of offensive chances and be the type of defensive player that he can be."


He did not say Kesler sulked, was playing poor, was not putting in an effort, hanging his linemates out to dry...

I am guessing communication has happened with Ryan Kesler. If it has not, it should have! But its not ugly, inflamatory or anything Kesler should be upset about.


And male reporters don't ask stupid questions of our players as well? Oh right, you must be male to have posted such an ignorant comment. <_<

See how that works? :rolleyes:


On topic......


Much ado about nothing and per usual, comments taken out of context and posed to a player for response gets tons of media hits........ media at it again and CDC dissects it having been spoon-fed once again.


Edited by Canuck Surfer, 17 January 2012 - 12:50 AM.

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Posted 17 January 2012 - 12:50 AM

Kesler for Getzlaf?

I don't really like Kesler attitude...he acts like a selfish person at times.
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Posted 17 January 2012 - 12:51 AM

Kesler unhappy with Vigneault's comment.

Fans unhappy with Kesler's performance.
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Posted 17 January 2012 - 01:00 AM

<BR>Kesler for Getzlaf?<BR><BR>I don't really like Kesler attitude...he acts like a selfish person at times.<BR>

<BR><BR><BR>Selfish as you ??? anyone can slander anyone . Back it up there Buckweat !!!<IMG class=bbc_emoticon alt=:shock: src="http://content.forum...t/2utgv3d.gif">

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Posted 17 January 2012 - 01:17 AM

Kesler has been back from surgery for 41 Games!!!


And he has 19 assists?

AV's critique sounds fair.




Calling out someone after a hip operaton only 7 months ago is so fracking low that I have been rendered speechless, but ESPECIALLY Ryan Kesler.
AV either apologize to the media or resign. Seriously !!!




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Posted 17 January 2012 - 01:23 AM

I really want to see:

Booth-Hodgson-Kesler


Get a passer in-between those 2 and their games will really open up IMO.


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Posted 17 January 2012 - 01:23 AM

DIDNT BOTHER TO READ ALL THE COMMENTS BUT I WILL SAY THIS. ANYONE WHO HAS PLAYED ON ANY TEAM AT ANY LEVEL WILL KNOW THAT 99% OF THE TIME THIS IS JUST WHAT GOES ON WITHIN A TEAM THROUGH OUT THE YEAR. SOMETIMES STUFF LIKE THIS LEAKS OUT AND GETS BLOWN OUT OF PROPORTION AND VERY RARELY IS IT A PROBLEM. SOMETIMES IT IS, NO DOUBT, BUT RARELY. JUST THINK ABOUT THE STUFF THAT GOES ON IN ANY TEAM THROUGH OUT PROFESSIONAL SPORTS THAT DOESNT LEAVE THE LOCKER ROOM. THIS IS NOTHING. BELIEVE ME. BOTTOM LINE IS THEY ALL RESPECT EACHOTHER. DONT HAVE TO BE BEST OF BUDS OR EVEN GET ALONG SOMETIMES, BUT AS LONG AS THERE IS RESPECT........NO PROBLEM. AGAIN, WHOEVER HAS PLAYED WILL KNOW WHAT IM TALKING ABOUT.
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Posted 17 January 2012 - 01:32 AM

Kesler for M Richards

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Posted 17 January 2012 - 02:04 AM

Someone threw out the unspeakable blasphemy of trading Kesler straight up for Shea Weber. Will never happen, but ...

Long as we're fantasizing ... imagine if we did that, and then traded Ballard, Tanev (plus maybe Jensen) & a 2 first round picks for Getzlaf. (we'll get one or possibly both picks back for Schneider in the offseason) And maybe picked up Jared Boll for a 3rd rounder. Our roster would look something like this.

Sedin - Sedin - Burrows
Booth - Getzlaf - Raymond
Hansen - Hodgson - Higgins (the "H" line)
Boll - Lapierre - Weise

Weber - Salo
Bieksa - Hamhuis
Edler - Rome

So, what have we got here? Looks like speed, scoring, and grit, with a 2nd line all star center whose a 1st on any other team; is large, dominating, and passes the puck, a Norris caliber defencemen (some would say three with Weber, Edler, and Bieksa) and three, big tough guys (Weber, Boll, Getzlaf) who can keep a team like Boston honest in playoffs. And imagine how effective the second power play unit would be by adding Weber (Getzlaf would cancel loss of Kesler on first unit)

Add forwards Malhotra, Duco, & Jensen (at end of season, if he doesn't go in the deals) & defencemen Alberts, Sulzer, Connaton, & Sauve in reserve.

Nah, will never happen ... But Gary Valk would love it ... (he loves Getzlaf, at almost any price)

I love Kesler, but I'm a realist, and I want a cup. Sorry.


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