Baggins Posted February 22, 2012 Share Posted February 22, 2012 Sorry, but no intelligent person can defend Raymond's game right now. He has been down right brutal. Tonight he had a rebound come right to him with an open net and he wiffed on it. Chances like that need to be buried, especially in the playoffs where scoring chances become fewer and more far between. I was really hoping he would eventually regain his touch and find his way, but the guy is absolutely lost out there. It's like he's completely forgot where the net is on the ice. Typical Raymond shift: Skate back and forth really fast, wait for someone to get you the puck, then skate it through the neutral zone, make a few moves, then dash for the corner and get muscled off the puck by a defender. I don't wanna be a hater, but I've pretty much had enough... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nuck nit Posted February 22, 2012 Share Posted February 22, 2012 Vinny Prospel is the Columbus BJ's second line left winger. Columbus is in last place in the western conference. Vinny has four points in the last five games and 11 points in 2012 / 22 games played. Vinny is 37 years of age. Mason has one goal and one assist in his last 12 games played,six points in 2012 and is 26 years old playing for the conference's top contending team. Vancouver has nearly double the points as Columbus and the last place team's second line left winger is scoring at twice the pace as the first place team's second line LW. Nothing to lament about here.All is right in the world of Mason Raymond. I love the Canucks chances with MayRay's game going up against Philly and Washington or Boston/NJ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wh!stler R!der Posted February 22, 2012 Share Posted February 22, 2012 Woops, sorry for double post(s). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanucksJay Posted February 22, 2012 Author Share Posted February 22, 2012 The last player, before Raymond, to get this kind of treatment after a devastating injury, was Kevin Bieksa - and let me add that a broken back is just a wee bit worse than a serious skate cut. You are the same bunch that circled Bieksa like a pack of Hyenas, baying to be rid of him, and at how awful he was, now you are trying to take apart Raymond like vultures on what you think is carrion. You disgust me. Your opinions about Bieksa were then about as accurate as your opinions about Raymond are now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RUPERTKBD Posted February 22, 2012 Share Posted February 22, 2012 Hell, why not let Ballard play a fourth line role and have Mayray on the third pairing for defense. Oh right, Raymond is not a freaking defenceman. The argument that he is good defensively is almost a moot point. He is a forward, he is supposed to score goals and get assists. All I've seen him do for the past two months is fall down and have the puck taken away from him. Truly pathetic. I hope he is traded because he is actually bringing the second line and I would argue, the entire team down with his poor play. He has little to no passion in improving his game. I think that's been proven by the last two seasons. Just look at his stats. Facts are facts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nuck nit Posted February 22, 2012 Share Posted February 22, 2012 Ray Ferrarro is saying that Raymond is a winger that needs to start playing in the centre of the ice to be effective. He says May Ray is healthy now and is still playing on the outside. He expects the Canucks to fill the second line winger's spot,if they can,by the deadline. This is coming live on the Team at 7:20 am PDT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanucksJay Posted February 22, 2012 Author Share Posted February 22, 2012 Facts? Those aren't "facts", they're your opinion. How exactly is he "bringing the team down"? They just lost in regulation for the first time in over a month. Meanwhile, nothing from the first line last night, but somehow it's Raymond's fault. Probably the worst game Sami Salo has played in two years, but it's Raymond's fault. Yes, Mayray whiffed on that rebound. We all know that the Canucks would have gone on to win had he buried that chance. Of course bad bounces only happen to players that we don't like. The first period penalty to Rome was a perfect example of that. Lets call a spade a spade here: Raymond is currently struggling offensively. However, there is nothing wrong with his heart or his effort. He continues to work hard at both ends of the ice. Unfortunately for him, "hard work" does not show up in the boxscore and is easily overlooked by one's detractors. At this point I tend to agree that he's more suited to third line duty, however, I understand AV's reluctance to make the change. The current "Triple H" line looks dangerous in virtually every outing and gives the team better overall balance than it might have if Raymond and Higgins were rotated. However, this is still an option, if it turns out that last nights offensive woes continue. Would I trade him if an update was possible? Of course I would. But how is that even possible if he's as bad as all of you claim? (with the exception of Bodee, Baggins and the Cammer, of course) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RUPERTKBD Posted February 22, 2012 Share Posted February 22, 2012 I know we were previously in a long spat but I agree with you on your post. Watching Raymond closely has helped me understand that he could be a valuable bottom 6 guy. I definitely don't think he's top 6 material (despite what Baggins says) but he is solid defensively. Also his work ethic should not be questioned because the guy gives it his all every shift. But this brings the question of the Triple H line. They look dangerous right now but if we switch Raymond for Higgins, would the 3rd line chances drop? Does that mean we put Raymond on 4th? Anyway you slice it, 2.55 for a defensive bottom 6 forward seems like a lot when they don't possess a skill like Manny who is a faceoff specialist/ veteran / locker room leader. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanucksJay Posted February 22, 2012 Author Share Posted February 22, 2012 Which might be something to look at in the off-season, but with the team currently gunning for the Cup and an upgrade over Raymond not likely, (despite CDCers' fervent hopes) it makes sense to me to continue with what we have and hope that he picks up his offensive game. If that doesn't happen, then the third line beckons, and I think most of us agree that Raymond plays a solid defensive game. BTW: I don't see him dragging the third line down.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nuck nit Posted February 22, 2012 Share Posted February 22, 2012 Facts? Those aren't "facts", they're your opinion. How exactly is he "bringing the team down"? They just lost in regulation for the first time in over a month. Would I trade him if an update was possible? Of course I would. But how is that even possible if he's as bad as all of you claim? (with the exception of Bodee, Baggins and the Cammer, of course) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bodee Posted February 22, 2012 Share Posted February 22, 2012 Just watched (and paused) the Raymond "sclaff" (Scots word, I prefer it) and 3 things were obvious. Firstly, Raymond was coming in at speed. Secondly, if you freeze the frame, the puck comes off Rine's pad and IS IN THE AIR. Thirdly, the freeze frame also showed the puck vertical, so it was likely rotating. Despite all this, people on here would have those who hadn't seen it, think it was an easy tap in. Well it wasn't, it was a 10% likelihood shot. I would say 9 times out of 10 there is not a player in our team who would have scored on that chance. But hey, it's Raymond so let's not have the facts get in the way of the hate. By the way if you want to see Kesler miss a similar but easier shot go to 6:40 to go in the 2nd. "Good question.He has not been traded.He is obviously that bad." Or more likely given the facts, his game is appreciated by by people who know something about hockey. People like AV and MG. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nuck nit Posted February 22, 2012 Share Posted February 22, 2012 They will dump him if at all possible. You don't win Stanley Cups with second liners that don't hit,don't score and will not go into the centre of the ice. It is not all that difficult to grasp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bodee Posted February 22, 2012 Share Posted February 22, 2012 They will dump him if at all possible. You don't win Stanley Cups with second liners that don't hit,don't score and will not go into the centre of the ice. It is not all that difficult to grasp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nuck nit Posted February 22, 2012 Share Posted February 22, 2012 Sorry,bud.He is gonzo. If some org will take the salary,that is. Can't win with him at this point in time. Window closing and Stanley is calling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viking13 Posted February 22, 2012 Share Posted February 22, 2012 It is you that finds facts difficult to grasp. Raymond helped the Canucks to the SC final game.............which makes your comment utterly stupid. They were one game away with an injury beset team. Ironically who is to say Raymond might not have helped us win that game if he wasn't wearing a back brace Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scottish⑦Canuck Posted February 22, 2012 Share Posted February 22, 2012 I'm getting sick of watching him carry the puck in with speed, go around the net and lose it before he can find someone to pass to. I know people are defending him, as he works hard, but he doesn't have the physical strength or the hockey sense to be a 2nd liner on this team. And it's showing in his stats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanucksJay Posted February 22, 2012 Author Share Posted February 22, 2012 Umm, Raymond only managed to score 2 goals and 6 assists in 24 playoff games so I'm not sure how much he helped get the Canucks to game 7 of the SCF... Bottom line is he's NOT a top 6 forward... Skates like lightning but handles the puck like a grenade... He's perfect as a third line winger and PK player... I'm not sure why Higgins is still on the third line... Bring him back up with Kesler and Booth... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HorseGem2007 Posted February 22, 2012 Share Posted February 22, 2012 Mason doesn't cut it anymore, time to trade him or ..... Stats below shows 1st & 2nd line and if Mason really fits in our top 2 lines. First Line GP G A Pts +/- Shots S% D. Sedin 59 26 35 61 19 193 13.5 H. Sedin 60 13 51 64 21 86 15.1 A. Burrows 58 22 18 40 20 142 15,5 Second Line GP G A Pts +/- Shots S% D. Booth 34 11 11 22 3 85 12.9 R. Kesler 55 18 23 41 14 152 11.8 C. Higgins 49 11 18 29 8 109 10.1 or M. Raymond 35 6 8 14 6 75 8.0 Move anyone else to the second line (I know we don't have another LW) if Higgy's health is still questionnable. But in the last 2 years Raymond has not fit with the team, and is definately not worthy to be on the 2nd line. MG has 5 days before TD to upgrade the team either with depth in defense and/or another forward. I'm hoping for both. Problem we have now is if Bitz & Higgins are not 90% healthy, not sure we can't make a deep run in the playoffs. We saw it last year with the injuries we had and players playing less than 90% (healthwise), and the Western Conference will be a very tough test before SCF - the West is not going to be "un morceau de gateau" GO GO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaMacNamedDre Posted February 22, 2012 Share Posted February 22, 2012 Typical Raymond shift: Skate back and forth really fast, wait for someone to get you the puck, then skate it through the neutral zone, make a few moves, then dash for the corner and get muscled off the puck by a defender. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bodee Posted February 22, 2012 Share Posted February 22, 2012 Umm, Raymond only managed to score 2 goals and 6 assists in 24 playoff games so I'm not sure how much he helped get the Canucks to game 7 of the SCF... Bottom line is he's NOT a top 6 forward... Skates like lightning but handles the puck like a grenade... He's perfect as a third line winger and PK player... I'm not sure why Higgins is still on the third line... Bring him back up with Kesler and Booth... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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