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#91 cc_devil

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Posted 04 February 2012 - 03:48 PM

AV.s 5 on 5 game plan is a disaster thus its his assitant coaches saving his but on PP and PK

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Posted 04 February 2012 - 04:51 PM

Sometimes a new coach adds change and excitement and the canucks sort of need that this year.... look at how Pens won the cup with a new coach.


And most often a new coach makes a situation worse.

First off, coaches get fired when their teams are on the skids. Doesn't apply to the Canucks.

Secondly, Hitchcock has been scooped, and who would you replace AV with?

I love how the Canucks are still getting points almost every game even though their team play is off.

All I care about is that they show up in the playoffs. So unless and until we're in deep doo-doo during a series in the post-season, save the overheated rhetoric.

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Posted 04 February 2012 - 07:04 PM

BRING BACK THE MINUS BUTTON!
Terrible OP. A team with a bad coach does not win despite the coach, they fall apart. The Canucks, while having bad moments, have never completely collapsed, they've always held on through the thick and thin as a team. If you think that the only reason he has a job is because the players make him look good, just think about how many of these players struggled before they were with him (Sedins, Burrows was just a grinder, Higgins, Lappiere). And new players often do well fitting in with the other players. And yes we have an extremely talented roster, and maybe they do a lot of self coaching, but that is the style that AV has, and the players seemingly respond to it.
Sure as any coach he has flaws, but to say the Canucks would do better with almost anybody else is crazy.
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Posted 04 February 2012 - 09:44 PM

The winningest coach in Canucks history is a bit of a misleading stat, he's the only coach in Canucks history to have Luongo along with what is arguably the strongest roster from top to bottom. Now, along with Luongo he has Schneider, giving what I would consider the one of the top 3 goaltending teams in the league. that along with 2 league scoring leaders on one team...

If Crawford had Luongo instead of Cloutier, AV would never have gotten a job here.

The fact that the PP is so great, but ISN'T run by AV is an interesting fact. The part of the Canucks game which carries the team quite often (too often in my view) is orchestrated by Newell, not AV. AV handles 5 on 5 play though and with this roster we're 8th in even strength goals for and 7th in goals against.

For comparison, Boston has 20% more goals at even strength than we do and gives up 15% less...

My view is simply that to win a cup, the team will still need to be stronger at even strength than it is, can AV make that happen?


Exactly, i don't understand what AV is doing right now that fans think he is so good, People always bring up how the ice time Hodgson is getting right now is fine because Kesler and Henrik had the same amount when they were in their rookie season, Hodgson is on pace for 50 points way more than either of those two at that age, and he's clearly a lot more solid then Henrik was at the same age. He's scored in clutch situations a lot this season, why not give him some more ice time? Atleast when the twins or Kesler are playing bad. This will also get him more ready for the playoffs which we are definately going to need if we want to win the cup once the Sedins or Kesler gets shut down.

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Posted 04 February 2012 - 11:01 PM

elite teams blow people out (bruins) and go on 17 straight home game winning streaks (wings).
we have fallen to a middle of the playoff spot pack this year.


Yeah, cause 2nd in the West and 3rd in the league is middle of the pack, right? Think before you speak young one.

It is pretty funny how the grass is always greener, until it is in your backyard..


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Posted 04 February 2012 - 11:08 PM

Exactly, i don't understand what AV is doing right now that fans think he is so good, People always bring up how the ice time Hodgson is getting right now is fine because Kesler and Henrik had the same amount when they were in their rookie season, Hodgson is on pace for 50 points way more than either of those two at that age, and he's clearly a lot more solid then Henrik was at the same age. He's scored in clutch situations a lot this season, why not give him some more ice time? Atleast when the twins or Kesler are playing bad. This will also get him more ready for the playoffs which we are definately going to need if we want to win the cup once the Sedins or Kesler gets shut down.


how about the fact that his winning percentage is almost .600?

There's a lot of people on this board who clearly are new to "the game".

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Posted 04 February 2012 - 11:22 PM

Talk to me after the playoffs bro.




Bro bro - about what? Your saying the nucks aren't going to win the cup because of AV. At this point in the season combined with the diffiuclty of winning the cup your point is meaningless because it is statistically a safe bet. The odds favor anyone who says that so nice try - its a no brainer comment.

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Posted 04 February 2012 - 11:28 PM

I love how the AV hate threads never can name a specific reason why he isn't getting the job done. Or how he is getting outcoached.

It's either "he doesn't have them ready to play" or "gets outcoached all the time" or "doesn't know how to use his players".

Tell me specifically how he is getting outcoached and I'll listen. No one has yet to do that.

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Posted 04 February 2012 - 11:35 PM

Btw. what happens to Hansens icetime?

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Posted 04 February 2012 - 11:37 PM

AV is a good regular season Coach .. once the playoffs come, and the other team gets to adapt to our system, AV, or the players, seem unable to adapt, or re-adapt, to changes the other team makes .. I have yet to see AV try and adapt as he is right now .. by switching up lines .. having alternate PP formations or patterns of puck entry ..

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Posted 05 February 2012 - 12:38 AM

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Including the Boston game they have collected 14 out of a possible 20 points. In other words they have won 70% of the total points possible. If they continue along that line for the rest of the year they will accumulate another 43 points and when added to the 67 they have tallied so far this season, they are on track for a 110 point season.

That my friend is only seven points short of the total they managed to get all of last year which won them the Presidents Trophy, their closest rival being the Capitals at 107 points.

But I am optimistic and suggest that if they remain healthy, over the next 31 games that remain, they will win somewhere in the vicinity of 23-25 of those games. Voila - where might that place them in the standings against all other teams in the league. I will bet very close to the top and what is going for them is more than half of them will be played in front of their home crowd and that favors them.

Perusing the Nucks schedule, they only play Detroit, Chicago, LA and St Louis one more time and Nashville twice. Without sounding too presumptuous about the future, those teams are their closest competitors in the conference. Detroit has a much tougher row to hoe during their final 30 games of the season. It may also be that they are at their greatest momentum (peak) at this juncture of the season and like last year with the Canucks, to peak at this time in the season may just be a tad to early before the playoffs for them.

We just got to have faith in our boys and please no bad Karma LOL.

Right on brother .

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Posted 05 February 2012 - 12:42 AM

Fact: The Canucks are playing like crap
Fact: They would have had a chance in neither of the two previous games if it weren't for spectacular goaltending

There might be a problem.

Fact: We don't know who to blame because we have no access to the dressing room. Our finger pointing is mere speculation.

Why do we have to blame some one .

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Posted 05 February 2012 - 12:52 AM

Why do we have to blame some one .

How do you solve a problem without first identifying it?
My stance on the Canucks;
- Schneider should not be traded. Luongo can be great, but is inconsistent. Schneider means more to us as a capable backup than what he could bring in a trade.
- We need toughness that can play. Top lines would be great, but I'll take it anywhere I can get it. As long as he doesn't hurt his line, I'm happy.
- We need a meaner net-clearing defenceman. Mobility is a plus.
- Ballard is a good player in a bad situation. He's not being used effectively. I believe he can succeed, but a move would be good for him too.
- Raymond is skilled, but needs to change his game or size to be more effective. Booth negates him in the top 6.
Read the above before attacking my comments, so you know where they're coming from. Once you've read, attack away if you please.

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Posted 05 February 2012 - 01:00 AM

Canucks are being held back by coaching imo. AV's system he uses is getting too easy to coach against for other teams, especially when they decide to play disciplined, there goes our gameplan of winning by our power play.

How many times have we seen AV get outcoached in the playoffs? If Burr didn't score that goal last year AV wouldn't be here. Kesler also carried our team through the Nashville series.

Our team is one of the most skilled in the NHL they aren't winning because of AV. I mean if he's not going to give the best rookie of the month more ice time especially when the Sedins look dead tired and not there like last night, atleast put him in the shootout where he has been our most effective shooter, but no, not even after his breakaway goal last game.

He doesn't even run the power play Newell Brown does. His job is to get the team ready to play a full 60 mins and play good 5 on 5 hockey, but it seems our team never plays for a full 60 and we are one of the worst teams 5 on 5, how is that possible with all the skill and speed we have?

One of the worst coaches I've ever seen at changing his gameplan on the fly, I could probably do a better job. :lol:

Think about it, if the canucks got a new well respected coach, Ballard,Hodgson,Kesler and some other players will all have some more jump to their game, atleast that's how I see it.

Anyways that's my rant, I guarantee we would of made it to the finals with any coach last year if we still had Brown running the power play, hopefully Gillis can get some help at the trade deadline because obviously he won't fire AV this season.


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Benning will be fired next year. Hope he enjoys screwing around for a few months. I just cant believe this. Another injured BC player. We just got rid of garrison. Seems like the canucks and linden just wanted any BC born player. Doesn't matter if hes good or not. We don't need another Linden to get us to game 7 of the Stanley cup and lose. We need someone to win us a cup.

 

5 million a year for Vrbata? 6 million for Miller? Kesler for Bonino and 24th instead of 10th pick or one of their top prospects? Garrison for scraps?

ive already lost faith in JB. Ive never EVER had this bad of a feeling about management.

 


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Posted 05 February 2012 - 02:12 AM

You should apply for the job. Clearly, You know more about coaching then AV... ^_^
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Posted 05 February 2012 - 02:59 AM

The team manages to luck itself into points they have no right to have. Today was another perfect example. Coaching didn't help, but a big effort on the dive to save a goal followed by a lucky shot did.

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Posted 05 February 2012 - 03:36 AM

I think that is an overstatement. AV is a great coach and it seems as though the players respect him a lot.

Edited by NikiShiz, 05 February 2012 - 03:36 AM.

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Posted 05 February 2012 - 08:34 PM

You should apply for the job. Clearly, You know more about coaching then AV... ^_^


Thinkin about it.

p.s. no other coach would put up with these bs efforts the canucks are giving lately, unless it was a bottom feeding team.

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Posted 05 February 2012 - 10:25 PM

More wins then any coach in our history. Won coach of the year. Took us to the finals. Who off the streets right now is better may I ask?

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Posted 16 February 2012 - 04:50 PM

Hey guys don't you think AV giving the rookie of the month who's been scoring clutch goals all season and is getting better each game the worst possible linemates ever and 4th line ice time is a great idea!

It's really boosted Malholtras play, I mean he's only had a few brutal turnovers that ended up with goals against.

Lapierre was providing tons of offense on the third line, I mean, did you see the set up to Hansen!? Oh wait that was Hodgson when he finally got moved up.

AV should keep giving Hodgson less ice time and less responsibilites so that when Sedins and Kesler get shut down he can also fail.

I mean, wouldn't any good coach with half a brain give the rookie of the month who is no a defensive liability, scores clutch goals, and makes his linemates around him better, some more ice time so he's ready for the playoffs? Atleast keep him on the f*cking 3rd line.

Lapierre doesn't have the offensive skills for 3rd line center and Malholtra is terrible this year, not only that, has anyone ever heard AV COMPLIMENT HODGSON? No, all he does is say he's playing against 3rd line pairings and puts him down. What kind of coach is that? You AV lovers sure are weird.

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Posted 20 March 2012 - 03:26 PM

Seems to me like the players are kind of tuning AV out. Higgins to the 4th line tomorrow and Raymond back on the 2nd? It's clear he has no f*ucking idea what to do with his slumping team, these line up changes are only going to piss some players off, especially Kesler and Higgins, you can tell Kes does not like playing with Raymond.

This coach better be gone in the offseason, what a joke. If he had brains he would start trying out Kassian with the Sedins to get some chemistry going for the playoffs. The Sedins can barely play now and get manhandled in the playoffs, what makes him think they're going to pick up their game against tougher opponents going all out? They need a big gritty guy with offensive skill, and we traded a huge piece of our team for him. Even try splitting them up or something, but they way things are going, Sedins are going to have a terrible playoffs, they don't have the speed, grit or intensity to take it to the next level like Kesler can.

And to the AV lovers tell me what he does that makes him a great coach? Powerplay? nope. Defense? nope. His line juggling is terrible, and he gets outcoached almost EVERY playoff series.

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Posted 20 March 2012 - 04:04 PM

Seems to me like the players are kind of tuning AV out. Higgins to the 4th line tomorrow and Raymond back on the 2nd? It's clear he has no f*ucking idea what to do with his slumping team, these line up changes are only going to piss some players off, especially Kesler and Higgins, you can tell Kes does not like playing with Raymond.

This coach better be gone in the offseason, what a joke. If he had brains he would start trying out Kassian with the Sedins to get some chemistry going for the playoffs. The Sedins can barely play now and get manhandled in the playoffs, what makes him think they're going to pick up their game against tougher opponents going all out? They need a big gritty guy with offensive skill, and we traded a huge piece of our team for him. Even try splitting them up or something, but they way things are going, Sedins are going to have a terrible playoffs, they don't have the speed, grit or intensity to take it to the next level like Kesler can.

And to the AV lovers tell me what he does that makes him a great coach? Powerplay? nope. Defense? nope. His line juggling is terrible, and he gets outcoached almost EVERY playoff series.


I agree with you but the main problem is there is only 10 games left in the season. If we change the coach now, the new coach will not have enough time to work with the players to ensure they can get the system he is trying to teach. Also, there is not one candidate outside that everyone can feel confident about coming in will at least achieve the results AV has got.

I think the earliest we can see a change is in the Off season.

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Posted 20 March 2012 - 04:44 PM

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