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#91 Linden16Mclean1fan

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Posted 05 February 2012 - 02:07 PM

This guy is grossly overrated.

He has come up with bad contracts after bad contracts.

Overpaying Ballard, Booth, Sundin (thank goodness he did not take the 2-year $20mil contract), Demitra (RIP), and Luongo. These are good players, but definitely not at the salary that they are making. Now they are really stuck with Luongo, an older goalie with more and more mileage. This guy was overused in Florida, and you just don't see him playing at the same level 2 or 3 years down the road. This situation has caused the whole Schneider thing. Schneider looks like a young solid number one that could carry the Canucks into the next decade. He has solid moves, unlike the Sieve Cloutier. He's a calming presence. Because of the no-trade clause to Luongo, Schneider has to be moved.

People defend Gillis and say that he had got the Canucks into the finals. The main pieces, i.e. Kesler, Sedins, Edler, Bieksa, Salo, Burrows were all pieces from the past regimes. The only guy that Gillis could truly claim to be a valuable asset was ehrhoff.

Gillis is really sacrifing the future of the team for immediate gains. It's really sad to see.


That's how it works in the business. If you're the guy who comes in to re-build a team, more often or not you won't get to reap the success for the foundation that you built. You are usually fired before it happens. It's the next guy that gets the credit because he is also the next guy that makes that move that puts you over the top.

That's what Gillis did. He could have easily blow this team after it failed to make the playoffs 2 out of 3 years. It looked like the window of this core of players has closed. The GM can always ask to do that to make "his own team". Moves that he didn't make might as well be considered the moves that he did. He re-signed the twins, kept Kesler, Burrows, Salo, Bieksa, found a way to keep his star (at the time) long-term. He kept them instead of moving them. Credit to him for that. He was able to fit every piece of the puzzle together. If they didn't fit, he found a piece that did. That's what a good GM does. I don't understand how someone can find fault with that.

Sacrificing the future? You know what he was brought in to do? Make this team a winner now and that's what he has done. Again, he could have blown up the team and got more draft picks and younger players. You know why he can't because the owners and fans don't allow it. Canuck fans don't want to win another 5-6 years for prospects to round out. We've already been doing that with the Sedins, Keslers, Burrows, Bieksa, etc. It's their time now, the only way to see the fruits of our patience is to stick with these guys and find the extra pieces that put the team over the top and that's exactly what Gillis has been doing.
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Posted 05 February 2012 - 02:08 PM

MG is too conservative....or scare to make trades. He does not seem to understand that we need to win NOW, and he is not doing whatever it takes to win it NOW. You can always say he is trying to be patient and build for long term success...with that approach, you will never win the cup and just building for long term forever.....

We can go to the final, but that's all.....can't win it without making some big, good trades.


This is absolute rubbish. He is giving us every opportunity to try to win it now...he just isn't willing to trade unless he feels it's a move toward improvement. He has faith in this group, with good reason to. Sure, it's been identified that it's still not perfect and he'll be looking to see how we can improve for the playoffs (mostly, guys staying healthy last year would have sufficed). What you "OMG BIG TRADE" guys don't realize is there just aren't many to be had...and, when there are, everyone and their dog is interested, so you overpay.

I don't think your post is worth a grain of salt without proposing those big moves you'd like to see happen. If you can't, then you like are aware of the fact that it's not as easy as pulling a trigger. So, Mr. New GM...help me UNDERSTAND how you'd do it better.
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Posted 05 February 2012 - 02:11 PM

MG is too conservative....or scare to make trades. He does not seem to understand that we need to win NOW, and he is not doing whatever it takes to win it NOW. You can always say he is trying to be patient and build for long term success...with that approach, you will never win the cup and just building for long term forever.....

We can go to the final, but that's all.....can't win it without making some big, good trades.


wrong......you dont understand that it is difficult to make these so called "big trade" They rarely happen in the trade deadline and good teams like Detriot will not give up young players for one player who may or may not impacted.....big trade does not always end up being sucessful.......PATIENCE DO YOU UNDERSTAND DEAL WILL COME AS NOW THE PRICE IS HIGH! UNDERSTAND? :picard:
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Posted 05 February 2012 - 02:12 PM

LOL you think Luongo contract is bad have you seen philly's goalie signed 9 years and overpaid and hasn't done sh!t
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Posted 05 February 2012 - 02:14 PM

Bad troll is bad.
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In my eyes drouin is overrated he can score in the qmjhl but did nothing in last two gold medal games that canada lost. Fox will be better pro than him talk to me in five yrs


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Posted 05 February 2012 - 02:25 PM

you're [sic] analysis here in the first line doesn't mean a lot either.


It's time to cut your losses and admit you had a brain cramp .. and maybe change your name (sic) so no-one judges you in the future? .. (P.S. Super Mario would be a dead give-away) .. :P
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Posted 05 February 2012 - 02:27 PM

We have our first line making 14.2M. And its an amazing first line.

GM of the year?

Seems about right
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Posted 05 February 2012 - 02:28 PM

So if all the main pieces were here before he came, how come we didn't make it into the final back then?
Sure he may not have built the team's core from scratch, but what he has done is made sure the core stuck around, and then enhanced what we have by adding secondary pieces and depth. He took us from a good team to a contender. Plus, he didn't even sign the Booth and Ballard contracts, they were already under contract when he traded for them.
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Posted 05 February 2012 - 02:31 PM

it's threads like this that make me miss the minus.

Lapierre, Malholtra, Higgins, Hamhuis, Burrows, Ehrhoff, Booth, Re-signing the Sedins and Shneider cheap...

Yeah definitely didn't deserve the GM of the season award last year.
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Posted 05 February 2012 - 02:39 PM

This guy is grossly overrated.

He has come up with bad contracts after bad contracts.

Overpaying Ballard, Booth, Sundin (thank goodness he did not take the 2-year $20mil contract), Demitra (RIP), and Luongo. These are good players, but definitely not at the salary that they are making. Now they are really stuck with Luongo, an older goalie with more and more mileage. This guy was overused in Florida, and you just don't see him playing at the same level 2 or 3 years down the road. This situation has caused the whole Schneider thing. Schneider looks like a young solid number one that could carry the Canucks into the next decade. He has solid moves, unlike the Sieve Cloutier. He's a calming presence. Because of the no-trade clause to Luongo, Schneider has to be moved.

People defend Gillis and say that he had got the Canucks into the finals. The main pieces, i.e. Kesler, Sedins, Edler, Bieksa, Salo, Burrows were all pieces from the past regimes. The only guy that Gillis could truly claim to be a valuable asset was ehrhoff.

Gillis is really sacrifing the future of the team for immediate gains. It's really sad to see.


You dumb?

He didn't sign Ballard to that contract, nor did he sign Booth to his. Gillis has constantly offered great contracts for his players. 5M for Kesler and Sedins at 6.1M is a steal if you actually looked around the league.

Sundin was offered the 10M contract but there was obviously a plan put into place if you ever even followed what Gillis did. Sundin had a bigger effect on this team than you think. Is it a coincidence that after Sundin was signed, the Twins and Kesler became the superstars they are today? They saw how professional Sundin was game in and game out and how he prepared himself. For 10M, it was definitely worth the experience.

What's bad about Luongo's contract? Would you rather Gillis have shortened up the length and increase the cap hit? Would you want a goaltender making 6.5-7M over the next little while? The cap hit is more important than the length and it's a reason why most GMs who are brighter than you decide to sign these players to such long term contracts. If you want a deep team, you need players who sign for low cap hits.

This last part that's in bold is even more ridiculous. A lot of GMs go into a team and they don't trade for the sake of trading just to make the team theirs. Ever heard of the saying "Sometimes the best move is no move?". Let me ask you this, if you became the GM of Detroit, would you trade Datsyuk and Zetterberg just for the sake of making the team yours?

As for your last sentence, it just shows how clueless you are about Gillis and the current team. The team has a small window to win. The time to win is now. Sometimes you make sacrifices as a GM in order to make that push for a cup.

Also I have no idea what you're talking about when he's selling his future for the present. This team is more deep than it has been for years. We actually have a farm and we're developing slowly just like Detroit.

So instead of bashing Gillis for all the great moves he's done, maybe you should stop hating and realized what a great team he's built.
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Posted 05 February 2012 - 02:42 PM

I think every one here has proved that he's not as overrated as you say.
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Posted 05 February 2012 - 02:44 PM

OP has plus 9 on this post. subtract 9 from 48 and you get 39. If the Minus button were here, the OP would have -39 not +9
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Posted 05 February 2012 - 02:52 PM

You guys also forgot about the little things that Gillis did to this team. Acquiring Higgins and Lappy
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Posted 05 February 2012 - 02:53 PM

Ironically, Mario Lemieux is one of the most over-rated players of all time.


Yeah, I pretty much stopped reading your post after that.
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Posted 05 February 2012 - 03:10 PM

This guy is grossly overrated.

He has come up with bad contracts after bad contracts.

Overpaying Ballard, Booth, Sundin (thank goodness he did not take the 2-year $20mil contract), Demitra (RIP), and Luongo. These are good players, but definitely not at the salary that they are making. Now they are really stuck with Luongo, an older goalie with more and more mileage. This guy was overused in Florida, and you just don't see him playing at the same level 2 or 3 years down the road. This situation has caused the whole Schneider thing. Schneider looks like a young solid number one that could carry the Canucks into the next decade. He has solid moves, unlike the Sieve Cloutier. He's a calming presence. Because of the no-trade clause to Luongo, Schneider has to be moved.

People defend Gillis and say that he had got the Canucks into the finals. The main pieces, i.e. Kesler, Sedins, Edler, Bieksa, Salo, Burrows were all pieces from the past regimes. The only guy that Gillis could truly claim to be a valuable asset was ehrhoff.

Gillis is really sacrifing the future of the team for immediate gains. It's really sad to see.



who are you to say anything at all? wow! my gut hurts laughing so hard at this post! you are not even smart enough to know who he signed and who was signed elsewhere!

This post is beyond pathetic, it's really sad to see!

Edited by Gage, 05 February 2012 - 03:14 PM.

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Posted 05 February 2012 - 03:11 PM

You may want to get your facts straight.

Ballard and Booth weren't signed by Gillis.
Sundin's contract was so worth it. He developed Kesler and the twins into who they are today.
Demitra was a bit of an overpayment, but he was a free agent.
Luongo's contract is a bit long, but when he signed it he was a top 3 goalie in the league. His cap hit is still very great though. It's sad that we're losing Schneider because of it, but we'll be trading him for assets to use in the future.

And Gillis didn't inherit Art Ross twins, 41 goal scoring second liner, defensively amazing offensively great Nashville cast off, a top 2 and still young defenceman, or a young centre with huge potential.
He drafted, or developed, or signed these players that are the core. So shut your face about Burke/Nonis building this team. They laid the foundation, but Gillis built the powerhouse.


To be fair, its not like Gillis doesn't know how much their salary and cap hit is prior to acquiring them.
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Posted 05 February 2012 - 03:21 PM

OP's small mind can't see the big picture.
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Posted 05 February 2012 - 03:22 PM

Your thread and and arguement is stupid just like you.
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Posted 05 February 2012 - 03:27 PM

Gills' worst move is making Bieksa the highest paid D after Nonis made the same mistake
Plus he tagged on a NTC
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Posted 05 February 2012 - 03:33 PM

you got to be kidding me... Gillis is really sacrifing the future of the team for immediate gains? when he traded for booth he traded two 30+ player for a young power forward... so that's ruining our future? When everyone said to trade HOdgson, he didn't and look where is Hodgson now? Didn't he also drafted Connauton, Sauve and signed Tanve? Aren't they the top three D prospect in our system? Why don't you look at all the amazing contract that is actually done by Gillis. Both Sedins for only 6.1m, Kesler for 5m. How are these contracts considered bad? Plus is MIke Gillis, time to get your facts straight.
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Posted 05 February 2012 - 03:37 PM

gillis is a god
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Posted 05 February 2012 - 03:38 PM

Anyone who says Sundin was a bust is an idiot.

Not only was he one of our best forwards in the playoffs, but it was pretty much about a month or two after he got here that Kesler broke out in a big way. Not to mention pretty much everyone else on the team credits Sundin with teaching them so much.

Also, we had the cap room and gave up nothing for him. Seriously, is the OP retarded or something? Getting Sundin is probably one of the best things Gillis has done.
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Posted 05 February 2012 - 03:39 PM

you got to be kidding me... Gillis is really sacrifing the future of the team for immediate gains? when he traded for booth he traded two 30+ player for a young power forward... so that's ruining our future?

lmao sammys like 35 and has a cup ring he was the most expendable guy on our roster , hes a great player but gillis made a good move

how anyone could look at that trade as a bad one i dont know
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Posted 05 February 2012 - 03:39 PM

Last I checked Mike Gillis won the GM of the year award because of last season so I think he is doing something right.
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Posted 05 February 2012 - 03:45 PM

This guy is grossly overrated.

He has come up with bad contracts after bad contracts.

Overpaying Ballard, Booth, Sundin (thank goodness he did not take the 2-year $20mil contract), Demitra (RIP), and Luongo.  These are good players, but definitely not at the salary that they are making.  Now they are really stuck with Luongo, an older goalie with more and more mileage.  This guy was overused in Florida, and you just don't see him playing at the same level 2 or 3 years down the road.  This situation has caused the whole Schneider thing.  Schneider looks like a young solid number one that could carry the Canucks into the next decade.  He has solid moves, unlike the Sieve Cloutier.  He's a calming presence.  Because of the no-trade clause to Luongo, Schneider has to be moved.

People defend Gillis and say that he had got the Canucks into the finals.  The main pieces, i.e. Kesler, Sedins, Edler, Bieksa, Salo, Burrows were all pieces from the past regimes.  The only guy that Gillis could truly claim to be a valuable asset was ehrhoff.

Gillis is really sacrifing the future of the team for immediate gains.  It's really sad to see.


First off, nothing says he HAS to keep Luongo. You don't think Luongo would waive his NTC to go to an eastern contender? He'd still have a chance to win and he'd be a lot closer to his family during the season.Secondly, I'll be the first to agree that Gillis has made some questionable moves. The Ballard trade was one of the worst deals in club history, and that's saying something for this team. Now, he did overpay on a few free agent signings like Sundin and Demitra, but 95% of the time, when you dip into free agency, you have to overpay to beat other offers. Just about every GM in the league had overpaid to land the services of a UFA at one point or another.However, let's not throw the baby out with bathwater, here. The trade that brought Ehrhoff here from San Jose was a great trade, and was due exclusively to MG's patience. While the Malhotra signing was viewed as an overpayment at the time, until Manny was hurt last year it was be touted as one of the best UFA signings of that summer.I criticize Lou as much as anyone, but getting him for a 5.3 million dollar cap hit given what he could have earned on the open market was a great signing. As was getting the Sedins for 6.1 per each, and Kesler for 4.9.And while the jury may still be out on the Booth deal, you can't possibky say it was a bad move. Gillis surrendered two aging players who are both UFA at the end of the season and who are both coming off major injuries for a younger player who is signed for a few years and a depth centremen with plenty of experience who could still major a mjor factor for Vancouver moving forward.MG has his warts...everyone does. But as long as he keeps this team pointed at the Stanley Cup, he has my vote. He's certainly better that any of the jokers and clowns we've had to this point, save maybe Pat Quinn. Then again, Quinn didn't have to operate with the restrictions of the salary cap.
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Posted 05 February 2012 - 03:48 PM

I see your Ehrhoff, and raise you a pair of Sedins, a Hamhuis, a Higgins, a Lapierre, and a Booth, and oh, I'll throw in a Torres as well.
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Posted 05 February 2012 - 03:54 PM

the minus button should be brought back for original posts only

Edited by Vigneault's Stache, 05 February 2012 - 03:55 PM.

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Posted 05 February 2012 - 04:01 PM

the minus button should be brought back for original posts only

This.
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In my eyes drouin is overrated he can score in the qmjhl but did nothing in last two gold medal games that canada lost. Fox will be better pro than him talk to me in five yrs


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Posted 05 February 2012 - 04:05 PM

Dude, if it wasn't for the Sundin, the Sedins would have never won a Hart/Art Trophy. He helped other players too.
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Posted 05 February 2012 - 04:12 PM

Mitchell averaged 72 games in the 3 years before the concussion year, so I don't see how he wasn't reliable. That's a pretty good number for a defensive d who plays a physical game. One concussion and you treat him like sh*t? That's not a good move. The Canucks made an average of $2-3mil cash per playoff home game. Sources say that they made 40-50mil in playoff receipts alone last year. If they were concerned about the cap, they would've been able to bury his contract in the AHL. It would've been a good insurance policy.

my nine year old has a better idea of how the cap works than you! What do box office records have to do with cap space! And please explain how a gm can bury a contract in the AHL I'm sure all the GMs out there would love to know your secret! And how is offering a free agent with a head injury that he may or may not recover from 1.5 mill ,"treating him like sh*t ", In today's cap era? All it means is that means is that the other team had more cap space to take the risk of signing him!
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