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#241 CanucksJay

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Posted 19 March 2013 - 02:28 PM

Groundhog day?
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Posted 19 March 2013 - 02:30 PM

Every prospect that struggles at winning faceoffs you mean. That doesn't make it right however, I wouldn't mind seeing Schroeder tried on the wing instead of taking draws, although that would mean a stint in the AHL to get used to the new position. Schroeder needs time to perfect his game to be a top 6 player. He isn't there yet. AV is actually doing him a favour by not putting him in a position to fail (unlike other players who will remain unmentioned).


By playing him on the 4th line with plugs?


If the Canucks keep a coach like AV who is basically pushing the future of the Canucks out the door, how could you blame COHO if he wanted leave I sure couldn't. He deserves more minutes and when you have a stuck up coach who is and has said he is compairing Codys minutes in a rookie year to Henrik, which was over 12 years ago in a complete differen't era you know your coach doesn't know how to coach when he is doing that. HORRIBLE COACHING. COHO=CLUTCH.


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Posted 19 March 2013 - 02:47 PM

There is one significant difference in these two situations: Schroeder (to the best of my knowledge) wants to be here.

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Posted 19 March 2013 - 02:49 PM

Yeah, not for long...
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Posted 19 March 2013 - 02:52 PM

There is one significant difference in these two situations: Schroeder (to the best of my knowledge) wants to be here.

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Having read enough of your posts to have the sense you're a rational thinker, I find it surprising that even you would persist in repeating rhetoric as if it were proven fact. It's normally only blind sheep who aren't inclined (or able, of course) to think for themselves who imagine that a thing is fact merely because it's repeated oft enough.
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Posted 19 March 2013 - 03:43 PM

Having read enough of your posts to have the sense you're a rational thinker, I find it surprising that even you would persist in repeating rhetoric as if it were proven fact. It's normally only blind sheep who aren't inclined (or able, of course) to think for themselves who imagine that a thing is fact merely because it's repeated oft enough.


So you're saying that what I wrote was a baaaaa-d thing? Ewe believe that someone has pulled the the wool over my eyes?


I do think Hodgson wanted out of Vancouver.

I don't see this as him being a selfish jerk but merely him recognizing that his best possible future lay with another team, where he could play top-6 minutes, something he was likely not going to see here for a goodly number of years. To my mind, Hodgson's situation wasn't all that different from Jordan Staal's when he was with Pittsburgh. I believe it is pretty much common knowledge that Staal wanted top-6 minutes but what chance did he have for that with Crosby and Malkin being around? He expressed his concerns and aspirations to the Penguins management and he got his wish to be moved.

If Hodgson hadn't been traded when he was, I do believe he would have leapt the fence at his earliest opportunity. Once again, I don't see this as being ego-driven in a negative way (as in "I deserve better"). It is just business.

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Posted 19 March 2013 - 04:44 PM

So you're saying that what I wrote was a baaaaa-d thing? Ewe believe that someone has pulled the the wool over my eyes?


I do think Hodgson wanted out of Vancouver.

I don't see this as him being a selfish jerk but merely him recognizing that his best possible future lay with another team, where he could play top-6 minutes, something he was likely not going to see here for a goodly number of years. To my mind, Hodgson's situation wasn't all that different from Jordan Staal's when he was with Pittsburgh. I believe it is pretty much common knowledge that Staal wanted top-6 minutes but what chance did he have for that with Crosby and Malkin being around? He expressed his concerns and aspirations to the Penguins management and he got his wish to be moved.

If Hodgson hadn't been traded when he was, I do believe he would have leapt the fence at his earliest opportunity. Once again, I don't see this as being ego-driven in a negative way (as in "I deserve better"). It is just business.

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Nope, I was not "saying that what [you] wrote was a baaaaa-d thing" (guess I was wrong about you, though: a rational thinker would not have needed to manufacture cause for deflecting from what was in fact said).

And FYI, the fact you are of the opinion that Hodgson wanted out of Vancouver does not equate to the same being a fact - and more than repeating the claim he wanted out makes it true. And that, of course, is all my comment was intended to argue.

As for whether Hodgson has benefited from the trade or would have ultimately desired one, that's about as much conjecture as is the opinion he wanted out last season. Who knows. I'd personally like to believe that the kid would have leaped to stick with his drafting team, but of course that would have required an equally willing partner going forward... That is, mgmt would have wanted him to stay long term, and so taken a route more like Detroit, which apparently has the capacity to attract, develop and retain youth even while vet stars are above in the pecking order.

Detroit is a good example of how it's possible for a team to multiple stars at various stages of their development and careers all on the same team. Vancouver was a good example of this once too (see: Naslund/Bertuzzi/Morrison era while the Sedins were being groomed to one day replace their elders). Unfortunately the current Canucks mgmt regime doesn't seem as well suited to building such a model.
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Posted 19 March 2013 - 04:55 PM

dont bring up these painful memories=(
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Posted 19 March 2013 - 06:45 PM

Watching Cody against Montreal tonight .. weak on the puck along the boards and woeful in his own zone .. but very skilled when no-one touches him ..
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Posted 19 March 2013 - 07:36 PM

He is 100x the player Kassian and it's not even a real debate. Whatever the situation with him wanting out was, we traded a good young player for a fourth line forward.
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Posted 19 March 2013 - 09:52 PM

Nope, I was not "saying that what [you] wrote was a baaaaa-d thing" (guess I was wrong about you, though: a rational thinker would not have needed to manufacture cause for deflecting from what was in fact said).


Deflecting from what was said? That I believe Schroeder wants to be here more than did Hodgson? I re-state that Hodgson wanted out, for the previous given reasons, and I believe Schroeder wants to be here. I believe it is pretty obvious. Schroeder's star fell rather precipitously at the draft. He was pegged as the #5 guy for North American skaters (Hodgson was pegged at #9). The Canucks picked him up at 22nd. If he is going to make it anywhere in the NHL I see his best shot is to do it here. (Good pass by Schroeder on the Weise goal!)


And FYI, the fact you are of the opinion that Hodgson wanted out of Vancouver does not equate to the same being a fact - and more than repeating the claim he wanted out makes it true. And that, of course, is all my comment was intended to argue.


And the belief which some have, that Hodgson was happy here, or that he wanted to stay here, also does not equate to the same being a fact. Funny how that works. :)

I put forward my view of why I believe Hodgson would have wanted out. Being here would be detrimental to his career. Can you provide proof, other than perhaps your own opinon on the subject, that he was happy with the prospect of spending the next 3 - 5 years here as a 3C? I put forward what I see as a very reasonable scenario for Hodgson wanting to leave his situation with the Canucks. I can't say that I've seen a lot contrary argument to the "Hodgson wanted to leave" camp beyond, "Cody never said he wanted to be traded!"

Show us where Hodgson has said that he looked forward to stifling his career while playing a role for which he was inadequate.


As for whether Hodgson has benefited from the trade or would have ultimately desired one, that's about as much conjecture as is the opinion he wanted out last season. Who knows. I'd personally like to believe that the kid would have leaped to stick with his drafting team, but of course that would have required an equally willing partner going forward... That is, mgmt would have wanted him to stay long term, and so taken a route more like Detroit, which apparently has the capacity to attract, develop and retain youth even while vet stars are above in the pecking order.


I believe Hodgson has gained pretty much nothing but benefits from the trade. He's getting top-6 minutes in Buffalo (I suppose it's top-3 more often than not), and he's playing with better offensive-oriented linemates than he'd likely be skating with here in Vancouver. Heck, I suspect he'll likely get a bigger contract from Buffalo because of his offensive production there, rather than what would likely be lower offensive results here. Pretty obvious rather than conjecture.

It might be nice to believe that Hodgson would want to stay here, I wouldn't have minded if things worked out differently and Hodgson was still here (despite a lack in certain parts of his game), and that the Canucks had still managed to acquire a guy like Kassian.

So can you script out a realistic scenario where Hodgson would have been happy here being the 3C? He'd likely be scoring less, and likely not succeeding at the role the team has for their third line. And he'd likely not get offered as much money as I believe he will from Buffalo.

As to the Detroit route, they haven't really done that much which a number of other teams aren't doing. Since the 2005 draft (the last one where they had any kind of success), what young talent has Detroit attracted, developed and retained? The retained part is a bit funny as considering Detroits reputation for trading picks for vets.

They do have some young talent which will likely become NHL'ers. So do a lot of other teams, including the Canucks. Tatar looks like he isn't doing too badly.Emmerton is playing, but not really producing much. Would you take any of these guys over Tanev? You know Tanev, right? Young, talented, and likely getting a pretty good contract which will retain his services for the Canucks for a number of years to come.

Matthias looks to be one of the better picks Detroit has had and he's doing quite well, in Florida. This being said, he was only a 2nd round pick.

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Posted 19 March 2013 - 10:24 PM

Watching Cody against Montreal tonight .. weak on the puck along the boards and woeful in his own zone .. but very skilled when no-one touches him ..


But, but, those things don't matter - he makes such pretty plays when no one touches him... that's all that matters, right?
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Posted 19 March 2013 - 10:34 PM

Didnt Hansen, Kesler, Burrows and Raymond all start on the 4th line too?
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Posted 04 April 2013 - 06:53 PM

04/04/13
The lines at today’s practice were as follows:
Ott-Hodgson-Gerbe
Foligno-Ennis-Stafford
Adam-Porter-Flynn
Scott-Hecht-Kaleta
Defense pairs: Pardy-Pysyk, Ehrhoff-Myers, Weber-Sekera
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Posted 04 April 2013 - 06:55 PM

04/04/13
The lines at today’s practice were as follows:
Ott-Hodgson-Gerbe
Foligno-Ennis-Stafford
Adam-Porter-Flynn
Scott-Hecht-Kaleta
Defense pairs: Pardy-Pysyk, Ehrhoff-Myers, Weber-Sekera

Why are you bumping a very old topic and post the lineups for a team that's 3000 miles away from us?
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Posted 04 April 2013 - 07:03 PM

Why are you bumping a very old topic and post the lineups for a team that's 3000 miles away from us?


Because I can and I want to.I actually follow Canucks that leave Vancouver but still play in the NHL.
Note the fact that between Daniel Sedin and Corey Perry you can find Cody (the 4th liner) in the points race:

http://www.nhl.com/i...ort=points&pg=2
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Posted 04 April 2013 - 07:10 PM

04/04/13
The lines at today’s practice were as follows:
Ott-Hodgson-Gerbe
Foligno-Ennis-Stafford
Adam-Porter-Flynn
Scott-Hecht-Kaleta
Defense pairs: Pardy-Pysyk, Ehrhoff-Myers, Weber-Sekera


Stop posting Buffalo Sabres rosters on the Canucks Talk forum. I'm highly offended by this offence and think this individual should be banned permanently.
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Posted 04 April 2013 - 07:15 PM

General Hockey Discussion.
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Posted 04 April 2013 - 07:16 PM

Because I can and I want to.I actually follow Canucks that leave Vancouver but still play in the NHL.
Note the fact that between Daniel Sedin and Corey Perry you can find Cody (the 4th liner) in the points race:

http://www.nhl.com/i...ort=points&pg=2


you're in the wrong forum. follow the soft selfish "1st liner" in the forum where he currently plays. you should probably get off of his **** too.
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Posted 04 April 2013 - 07:21 PM

Because I can and I want to.I actually follow Canucks that leave Vancouver but still play in the NHL.
Note the fact that between Daniel Sedin and Corey Perry you can find Cody (the 4th liner) in the points race:

http://www.nhl.com/i...ort=points&pg=2

I do too and it's good that you follow ex-Canucks. But it's the wrong forum, wrong thread
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Posted 04 April 2013 - 07:26 PM

You know Tanev, right? Young, talented, and likely getting a pretty good contract which will retain his services for the Canucks for a number of years to come.

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Interesting you mention Tanev. A rookie that is biding his time starting as the 6th defenseman. Now he's getting a shot up further at times and even on the PP. If Tanev, (and Schneider for that matter) is capable of biding his time and waiting for the opportunity, why do you assume that Cody wouldn't have a similar mindset? Someone highly regarded in the OHL, captain of his team, voted smartest player by OHL coaches. Doesn't seem to be someone that would be demanding to play NOW or never. But you heard it on the radio so it must be true?

AV was a huge keg in the wheel. Even when Malhotra went down AV still wouldn't play Hodgson decent minutes on the third line. And he still was subject to sudden benching for the smallest mistakes. Don't you think he might have been happier here if he was respected enough to be given consistent minutes as the third line center? Especially when they knew Kesler was playing injured? Henrik will eventually retire, but before that maybe there'd be a chance that Kesler got injured and was out...you think? Maybe even traded for a big piece and Hodgson would step in on #2 line.

Maybe AV could have been creative and tried Kesler on the wing with Hodgson as center. But no, we had to p off and trade away our 3rd highest scorer just when we needed his services the most.

There is zero proof that Hodgson demanded to be traded, especially for the bulk of the time he was here. Yes maybe near the end when he realized that AV would never accept his potential, but management botched the handling of this bright young star, with loads of character for the time he was here.
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Posted 05 April 2013 - 01:36 PM

Cody's daddy couldn't keep his nose out of Canuck business. He expected special treatment for cody which he did not earn. That is the main reason cody is not here. We are better off without him. His daddy probably had a hand in Ruff being forced out.


Cody's specialist, that he went to see, also missed his injury so blaming the Canucks and their medical staff is misleading.

I think the real reason the butt-kissers are still whining is that they missed an opportunity to see cody in recalled yoga pants.
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Posted 05 April 2013 - 02:13 PM

Just a message for some of you:

It's fine to miss Cody and still want Kassian to succeed.
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Posted 05 April 2013 - 02:25 PM

Cody's daddy couldn't keep his nose out of Canuck business. He expected special treatment for cody which he did not earn. That is the main reason cody is not here. We are better off without him. His daddy probably had a hand in Ruff being forced out.


Cody's specialist, that he went to see, also missed his injury so blaming the Canucks and their medical staff is misleading.

I think the real reason the butt-kissers are still whining is that they missed an opportunity to see cody in recalled yoga pants.


LOL. It's clear you're the type who hears a rumour of a theroy in one ear and doesn't actually think for himself before re-spewing the idea out of his mouth as though it's a proven fact. Please don't vote in our upcoming provincial elections. ;)
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Posted 05 April 2013 - 02:27 PM

Just a message for some of you:

It's fine to miss Cody and still want Kassian to succeed.


Yep. Very true.

I'd only add that for those who don't "miss" Hodgson, it's fine enough to hope he does well elsewhere while also wanting Kassian to succeed as a Canuck.

Hopefully Kassian will be treated to a bit more patience and sound player development tactics than some other former Canucks youth were! ;)
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Posted 05 April 2013 - 03:07 PM

Just a message for some of you:

It's fine to miss Cody and still want Kassian to succeed.


Totally agree.
Same goes for the Schneider/Luongo dynamic.
I don't get the attitude that if you like one you have to hate the other one.

Yep. Very true.

I'd only add that for those who don't "miss" Hodgson, it's fine enough to hope he does well elsewhere while also wanting Kassian to succeed as a Canuck.

Hopefully Kassian will be treated to a bit more patience and sound player development tactics than some other former Canucks youth were! ;)


Sure, I hope he does well.....unless we meet his team in the finals one year B)
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Posted 05 April 2013 - 03:40 PM

f off with the regurgitated thread ;)

just make a new one, please.... totally different context right now, I don't want to find the point in the thread where new thoughts come in... it's a waste of time.

I vote for an automatic lock on threads older than 1 month with no activity. Let there be new thought!
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Posted 05 April 2013 - 03:42 PM

I wonder how many giant tiaras Cody owns.
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Posted 05 April 2013 - 03:42 PM

WHY WAS SESTITO DEMOTED TO THE 4TH
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Posted 07 April 2013 - 02:48 PM

LOL. It's clear you're the type who hears a rumour of a theroy in one ear and doesn't actually think for himself before re-spewing the idea out of his mouth as though it's a proven fact. Please don't vote in our upcoming provincial elections. ;)

Actually, I'm the type who would take the word of our GM over stupid CDC butt-kissers. Check your facts before spewing garbage.
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