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Posted 29 February 2012 - 06:16 PM

He's thinking "Damn, Canucks dressing room was way nicer"


Their facilities actually aren't too bad. They're exercise room is better than the one at Rogers Arena.
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Posted 29 February 2012 - 06:22 PM

Will be really interesting to see how this trade affects Jordan Schroeder now that Hodgson is gone. He is the most NHL ready prospect the Canucks have in their system right now with Hodgson's departure.

He has had a good year in Chicago and should get called up in the playoffs and play some games possibly.

Gillis talked about the flexibility of the third line with the addition of Pahlsson and having Schroeder. They can have a 3rd line checking line or they can have a more skilled type third line in order to have 3 lines that can score.

It makes the lineup more flexible and gives Vigneault options. I don't think that Schroeder can play center in the NHL though because of his size.

He seems more suited to the wing. Another option the Canucks have is playing Steven Reinprecht on the third line if they want a more offensive look to it in the playoffs.

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Posted 29 February 2012 - 06:28 PM

He seems more suited to the wing. Another option the Canucks have is playing Steven Reinprecht on the third line if they want a more offensive look to it in the playoffs.


Reinprecht will be up for sure in the playoffs, management pretty much made this crystal clear.
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Posted 29 February 2012 - 06:33 PM

Reinprecht will be up for sure in the playoffs, management pretty much made this crystal clear.


This must have been part of what Gillis meant with flexibility. If they feel Pahlsson is not getting it done as a shutdown guy and that they need some offence from the third line to take pressure off the the top 2 lines they can easily put Reinprecht there with Higgins and Hansen.
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Posted 29 February 2012 - 06:39 PM

This must have been part of what Gillis meant with flexibility. If they feel Pahlsson is not getting it done as a shutdown guy and that they need some offence from the third line to take pressure off the the top 2 lines they can easily put Reinprecht there with Higgins and Hansen.


Yeah, for sure. I haven't seen Pahlsson play since '07 really, haha. Hopefully he's somewhat of the player he was back then!
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Posted 29 February 2012 - 06:52 PM

Kess is clearly not the same player he was last year. Kess looks broken down and tired. But AV keeps on driving Kess into the ground. Instead of alleviating some of the pressure that was on Kess AV refused to give Cody more ice time out of spite.


I think you are missing the forest for the trees here. Kesler looks broken down because he had no long offseason to train given the late summer due to the long Cup run and the late labrum surgery. Pahlsson's addition eases up Kesler's defensive workload, especially on the PK which will, I don't know, leave Kesler with more energy to expend on offence? Cody Hodgson's sparkling 40% faceoff rating wasn't taking any pressure off of Kesler any which way you cut it and Kesler's 51% Dzone starts with Cody on the roster prove that but now with Pahlsson? I bet Kesler jumps up to 66% Ozone starts and that means his production ought to jump up (hit the crossbar lastnight and that was a shot we saw go in a bunch of last year).

What happened to following the detroit model? What happened to "Gillis" character type guys? They've been preaching this crap since taking the reigns and then they do this. Makes no sense and we're a worse team because of it, If you think otherwise you're just plain wrong.


Gillis still is following the Detroit model: "heavy bodies" (as Babcock calls them) that can control the boards, protect & cycle the puck down low, create traffic in front and get shots through from the point with big body screening the goalie. Go look a the wingers in Detroit, they're all big bodies with skill: Franzen, Bertuzzi, Holmstrom, Cleary (plays a big game), Abdelkader, Miller, and even Zetterberg plays a big game in spite of his size. They are also all faster skaters than CoHo (save for Holmstrom).
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Kassian.... Taylor Pyatt 3.0

Lies. He's more of a Steve Bernier. Hopefully his talent level goes up so he can become like a Taylor Pyatt.


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Posted 29 February 2012 - 07:08 PM

I think you are missing the forest for the trees here.  Kesler looks broken down because he had no long offseason to train given the late summer due to the long Cup run and the late labrum surgery.  Pahlsson's addition eases up Kesler's defensive workload, especially on the PK which will, I don't know, leave Kesler with more energy to expend on offence?  Cody Hodgson's sparkling 40% faceoff rating wasn't taking any pressure off of Kesler any which way you cut it and Kesler's 51% Dzone starts with Cody on the roster prove that but now with Pahlsson?  I bet Kesler jumps up to 66% Ozone starts and that means his production ought to jump up (hit the crossbar lastnight and that was a shot we saw go in a bunch of last year).

I'm not sure how Cody Hodgson leaving the team could affect Ryan Kesler's faceoff stats. But you're right in saying we may be able to expect an offensive rejuvenation with Ryan Kesler. He doesn't have to "babysit" Hodgson anymore.
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Posted 29 February 2012 - 08:36 PM

I'm not sure how Cody Hodgson leaving the team could affect Ryan Kesler's faceoff stats. But you're right in saying we may be able to expect an offensive rejuvenation with Ryan Kesler. He doesn't have to "babysit" Hodgson anymore.


Pahlsson, Malhotra & Lapierre will eat up most of Kesler's defensive faceoff duties now. That's what I meant by Cody not being able to ease Kesler's workload (AV isn't going to put out a 40% faceoff guy for defensive zone faceoffs) and hence partially why Kesler has looked so "subpar", offensively speaking, this season.

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Posted 29 February 2012 - 08:38 PM

nuh-uh. we're unbeaten in regulation with kassian in the lineup. :P


Woo... right back at me, nice one.
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Posted 29 February 2012 - 08:42 PM

Pahlsson, Malhotra & Lapierre will eat up most of Kesler's defensive faceoff duties now. That's what I meant by Cody not being able to ease Kesler's workload (AV isn't going to put out a 40% faceoff guy for defensive zone faceoffs) and hence partially why Kesler has looked so "subpar", offensively speaking, this season.


Yep.

That is a dramatic change in the quality of the minutes that Kesler will be getting. He won't have to spend the first half of every shift trying to get through the neutral zone for a scoring chance.
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Posted 29 February 2012 - 08:45 PM

Pahlsson, Malhotra & Lapierre will eat up most of Kesler's defensive faceoff duties now. That's what I meant by Cody not being able to ease Kesler's workload (AV isn't going to put out a 40% faceoff guy for defensive zone faceoffs) and hence partially why Kesler has looked so "subpar", offensively speaking, this season.

Aah, now I gotcha.
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Posted 29 February 2012 - 08:50 PM

Yep.

That is a dramatic change in the quality of the minutes that Kesler will be getting. He won't have to spend the first half of every shift trying to get through the neutral zone for a scoring chance.


Yep. Given Pahlsson's prowess on the PK also means there's less PK minutes for Kesler which in turn means even more energy to expend 5on5, as well.
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Kassian.... Taylor Pyatt 3.0

Lies. He's more of a Steve Bernier. Hopefully his talent level goes up so he can become like a Taylor Pyatt.


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Posted 29 February 2012 - 08:56 PM

The Pahlsson trade was a perfect one. There's no chance of downside to it at all.
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Posted 29 February 2012 - 09:45 PM

Still a little saddened by the fact we traded him. Sure he is in the Shadows of Kesler and Henrik, however, we all know, The Sedins will not be here for ever. By the time they move on, Hodgson will be 26 or so, and thats when I was thinking he will take over the offensive role of our go to guy. 26 years old also happens to be the year the SEdins broke out. With us losing Hodgson, right now, theres very little in terms of our own up and commers. Right now its Schroeder and Jensen.
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Posted 29 February 2012 - 09:49 PM

Still a little saddened by the fact we traded him. Sure he is in the Shadows of Kesler and Henrik, however, we all know, The Sedins will not be here for ever. By the time they move on, Hodgson will be 26 or so, and thats when I was thinking he will take over the offensive role of our go to guy. 26 years old also happens to be the year the SEdins broke out. With us losing Hodgson, right now, theres very little in terms of our own up and commers. Right now its Schroeder and Jensen.


and Kassian.
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Posted 29 February 2012 - 10:23 PM

I'm pretty sure people will come to see this as a great trade for the organization. Where was Cody Hodgson gonna play, 3rd line his whole career? If Kassian ends up with the Sedins, that could be the most dominant line in hockey for a while.

People, understand one thing; Mike Gillis is better at running an NHL organization than you. I mean, come on.

And where are all the fans that were calling for more toughness, after watching the Sedins get bobble-headed in the playoffs?! Coward idiots.
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Posted 29 February 2012 - 10:42 PM

Well Hodgson got his hat trick tonight because of finally getting the top 6 ice time that we were barricading him from (because of a clear personal vendetta by AV by the way).

His utter domination of a weak Anaheim team and their inferior opposing forwards of Getzlaf and Perry who cannot hold a candle to his skill and mental acuity... we can see that it has ruined our team to have traded Cody and he has immediately vaulted himself into the undisputed Calder winner for the year because of finally being out from under the thumb of Canucks management.

That happened right?
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Posted 29 February 2012 - 10:48 PM

Well Hodgson got his hat trick tonight because of finally getting the top 6 ice time that we were barricading him from (because of a clear personal vendetta by AV by the way).

His utter domination of a weak Anaheim team and their inferior opposing forwards of Getzlaf and Perry who cannot hold a candle to his skill and mental acuity... we can see that it has ruined our team to have traded Cody and he has immediately vaulted himself into the undisputed Calder winner for the year because of finally being out from under the thumb of Canucks management.

That happened right?


He's going to win the scoring race next year.
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Posted 29 February 2012 - 11:26 PM

In my heart of heart I truly feel Hodgson is the next Joe Sakic. Insult me all you want but just wait and see. Next year he's ready.
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If you like looking at statistics to determine who's better, you're just a casual fan.

2.41 season GAA isn't very impressive. Let's not get into playoffs and his SV%.

Cory Schneider is the next Patrick Roy.


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Posted 29 February 2012 - 11:55 PM

Trading Hodgson was nice boost to CDC boards. It pretty dull for a few weeks.
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Posted 01 March 2012 - 12:31 AM

Well Hodgson got his hat trick tonight because of finally getting the top 6 ice time that we were barricading him from (because of a clear personal vendetta by AV by the way).

His utter domination of a weak Anaheim team and their inferior opposing forwards of Getzlaf and Perry who cannot hold a candle to his skill and mental acuity... we can see that it has ruined our team to have traded Cody and he has immediately vaulted himself into the undisputed Calder winner for the year because of finally being out from under the thumb of Canucks management.

That happened right?


I thought you were serious for a second, checked the boxscore just in case <_<
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Posted 01 March 2012 - 12:43 AM

I must say that I do hope that Corey Perry for CoHo, Raymond, and Ballard rumour really was just a drug induced fantasy because if that was indeed on the table and we didn't bite... man, would that have been one helluvan opportunity missed!
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Kassian.... Taylor Pyatt 3.0

Lies. He's more of a Steve Bernier. Hopefully his talent level goes up so he can become like a Taylor Pyatt.


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Posted 01 March 2012 - 05:55 AM

But....

Schneider package > Hodgson.

He's a monster piece and could get us either an impact player or a blue-chip prospect. That's why MG isn't overly concerned because if we need another young talented offensive center he'll use Schneiderman to get him.


Rumours are that Tampa will offer two first rounders for Schneider in the summer.
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Posted 01 March 2012 - 11:59 AM

In my heart of heart I truly feel Hodgson is the next Joe Sakic. Insult me all you want but just wait and see. Next year he's ready.

Hopefully you'll give Kassian that same chance (until Kassian hits age 23 like CoHo will be next year).

Insult me all you want but just wait and see what type of all around monster Kassian will be when he hits his prime around 26/27. If you feel Hodgson is the next Sakic that is just as far fetched as me saying that I feel Kassian is the next Brendan Shanahan.
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Kassian.... Taylor Pyatt 3.0

Lies. He's more of a Steve Bernier. Hopefully his talent level goes up so he can become like a Taylor Pyatt.


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Posted 01 March 2012 - 12:35 PM

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In my heart of heart I truly feel Hodgson is the next Joe Sakic. Insult me all you want but just wait and see. Next year he's ready.


Joe Sakic scored 62 points in 70 games in his rookie season - as an 18 year-old, on the worst team in the league. This is coming off of 60/133 and 78/160 goal/point seasons in the WHL when 16 and 17, respectively. In his second year in the 'dub, as a 17 year-old, he scored 11 goals and 24 points in 10 playoff games.

Cody Hodgson never made it to 100 points in Junior, nowhere near Joe's 160 (Cody's best year came after being drafted, while Sakic joined the NHL immediately). His highest goal total in junior was 43 - 35 less than Sakic's peak. He turned 22 last month, and only had 3 points all February, playing on the top and highest scoring team in the league.

Cody Hodgson is a good young player. But he is not, and never will be, Joe Sakic.

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Posted 01 March 2012 - 12:52 PM

What's driving me crazy are all these Lucic-Kassian comparisons..

Kassian (so far) has been better at every level, he is showing to be a faster skater already and his passing ability seems to be at a higher level - on top of that one is a left handed left winger and one is a right handed right winger.
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Posted 01 March 2012 - 12:56 PM

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You mad, Vancouver?


Don't forget the other piece to this. Gragnani won the Eddie Shore award for best defenseman in the AHL last year. Usually, a veteran player wins it. The last guy as young as Gragnani to win it? Niklas Kronwall.
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Posted 01 March 2012 - 02:41 PM

Rumours are that Tampa will offer two first rounders for Schneider in the summer.


I would be soooo insanely angry if this happened. Yeah it is 2 first rounders but TBY will not be that far down to garner any worth from those pics. Corey has been developed into a obvious NHL starter and will be that most likely in the new season....but I want a insanely developed young winger or D-man that shows ability to be on the first paring or the first line anything less would be a total waste of this teams effort and time invested into Corey. To just give away talent like that for unproven pics would be lunacy.
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Posted 01 March 2012 - 02:56 PM

I would be soooo insanely angry if this happened. Yeah it is 2 first rounders but TBY will not be that far down to garner any worth from those pics. Corey has been developed into a obvious NHL starter and will be that most likely in the new season....but I want a insanely developed young winger or D-man that shows ability to be on the first paring or the first line anything less would be a total waste of this teams effort and time invested into Corey. To just give away talent like that for unproven pics would be lunacy.


I'm sure it will be more than that. MG's not stupid and there will most definitely be a bidding war among a huge amount of teams. :)
It's gonna get crazy. The best thing we can hope for is that Luongo doesn't meltdown in the playoffs so that we'll be able to trade schneider with his value at what it is right now.
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Posted 01 March 2012 - 05:26 PM

dont want to go back reading everything.

is it known who the other team in the East interested in Hodgson was?
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