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#391 Tangerines

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Posted 01 April 2012 - 08:54 PM

You're only looking on the surface. Do you remember last years playoffs? Two things caused us problems. Overplaying Kesler in both offensive and shutdown roles, and getting manhandled.

Malhotra's eye injury changed the game plan. The third line was supposed to be the shutdown line and Keskers line used in a more offensive role. The acquisition of Pahlsson puts last years game plan back into effect. Once again we have a 3rd line made up of three quality penalty killers who can take over the shutdown role while chipping in offensively. This allows Kesler's line to be used in a more offensive role while logging a little less ice time. Weigh that against having Cody on the third line with limited minutes. The entire 2nd line in an offensive role or Cody's production on the third line with the second line in a shutdown role. I'll take the former thanks.

So with the acquisition of Pahlsson where would that leave Cody? The fourth line where he'll have limited ice time (and production) and providing no physical presence. Or the pressbox providing nothing while hoping for an injury. And honestly, I think the 3rd line has looked more dangerous since Cody left.

How about Cody in the long term? With Kesler and Henrik ahead of him for likely four or more years he's stuck on the third line. Yet he's complaining about his ice time in his rookie season. How long could that situation possibly last?

Sorry Cody fans but it made sense to move Cody. Even ignoring Kassian, I think the current roster has a better chance of winning it all with Pahlsson centering our third line. Assuming the team does a better job of staying healthy through the playoffs. Kassian adds a physical presence this year while having the potential of being a monster of a top six power forward. Unlike Cody at center, that's something we actually do need down the road. Sure any of those you mentioned could supply a physical presence (although Oreo did a crappy job last year). Do you believe any of them have the offensive potential that Kassian has? This trade wasn't only about now, it was also about the future.

On top of getting something we need for something we didn't, we also obtained Gragnani. I see him as a definite upgrade over Sulzer.


We added three pieces, not just Kassian.


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and besides that fact that Kassian is a better skater, better hitter, more physical, can fight, and better defensively I don't understand how we sacraficed and offensive player for one that isn't so offensive when in actuallity Kassain's AHL statistics are far more superior than Hodgsons in 2010-11 season. Kassian played 56 games, scored 26 goals, 51 assists, 77 points and was a + 10 for the Windsor Spitfires. He had 6 goals, 10 assists, 16 points in 16 playoff games and went on to win the memorial cup also. Cody played 52 games for the Moose had 17 goals, 13 assists, 30 points, and was a -12. Kassian is a year behind Hodgson but I think eventually he will be a better overall player than him.

Edited by JohnLennon, 02 April 2012 - 08:37 PM.

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Posted 01 April 2012 - 11:29 PM

I watched the Boston game today and I can honestly say kassian played better yesterday then lucid did today. I know I have extreme bias being a Canuck fan. But I closely watched lucic the whole game and I think if lucic has off games like this maybe we should be easy on the rookie.
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Posted 28 February 2013 - 01:00 AM

so far hodgson > kassian
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Posted 28 February 2013 - 01:10 AM

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and besides that fact that Kassian is a better skater, better hitter, more physical, can fight, and better defensively I don't understand how we sacraficed and offensive player for one that isn't so offensive when in actuallity Kassain's AHL statistics are far more superior than Hodgsons in 2010-11 season. Kassian played 56 games, scored 26 goals, 51 assists, 77 points and was a + 10 for the Windsor Spitfires. He had 6 goals, 10 assists, 16 points in 16 playoff games and went on to win the memorial cup also. Cody played 52 games for the Moose had 17 goals, 13 assists, 30 points, and was a -12. Kassian is a year behind Hodgson but I think eventually he will be a better overall player than him.

The Windsor Spitfire are in the OHL.
Kassian has 26 points in 30 games in the AHL. Still better than Cody's number but you'd have to be blind to think Kassian has a higher offensive ceiling than Cody. I'd wager Cody being the better defensive player in his career as well, even if he's struggling now (as is Kassian). Kassian will, of course, be the tougher, meaner player.
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Posted 28 February 2013 - 01:16 AM

This is a year old....fuggedaboudit..!
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Posted 28 February 2013 - 01:23 AM

I think this is the point missed often, and the truthful answer is no. Now, I don't mean no, not at all, but I do mean no, not at the same level of proficiency. Kesler plays wing, but certainly not as well as he plays center. Malholtra plays wing, but it is obvious he is better suited to a center role.

Raymond plays center, but there is no doubt he is a winger.

Cody Hodgson is an upo and coming potentially talented center, and could have turned into an ok winger. Zack Kassian is a natural winger and potentially a talented power forward. Rather than trying to fit a round peg into a square hole,,,,,,get a square peg??

Barring catastrophic injury, we were going to have figure out how to fit CoHo in, Kassian will fit right in, working his way up the lineup. Not only that, but he is a natural Right Winger.

Burrows is an LW playing right side, MayRay LW, Booth LW, Higgins LW, Hansen is the closest to skilled natural RW, then we get to Bitz and Weise.

Seems to me we needed a power forward, natural right winger, rugged, net presence, soft hands.

Seems to me we got one.


Reading this made me realize that this team is so heavily weighted to the left side at forward and defence that it is shocking the arena is not tilted to the left when they play.....:P
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Posted 28 February 2013 - 01:44 AM

Sick of the captain hindsight threads. We traded him because he was whining about ice time and not a character player, and we had ample centers at the time. We also needed toughness like all the fans were crying about, so we got Kassian for him. Does that clear it up for you?
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Posted 28 February 2013 - 02:12 AM

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and besides that fact that Kassian is a better skater, better hitter, more physical, can fight, and better defensively I don't understand how we sacraficed and offensive player for one that isn't so offensive when in actuallity Kassain's AHL statistics are far more superior than Hodgsons in 2010-11 season. Kassian played 56 games, scored 26 goals, 51 assists, 77 points and was a + 10 for the Windsor Spitfires. He had 6 goals, 10 assists, 16 points in 16 playoff games and went on to win the memorial cup also. Cody played 52 games for the Moose had 17 goals, 13 assists, 30 points, and was a -12. Kassian is a year behind Hodgson but I think eventually he will be a better overall player than him.

I have come terms with the trade and realize it was for the best for everyone involved which is always great - Though I have always maintained that there should have been a little more coming back to the Canucks in the form of a draft pick or extra mid level prospect if only because of the fact that we were trading something more refined for more raw potential. I still stand by that.

With your post I think it is an unfair compare OHL stats to AHL stats. They are completely different and imo can't be used as a comparison to one another. OHL may have a great talent pool but ultimately most players are still just kids.

I don't disagree with what you are saying I am just stating that those stats don't prove your statements either.
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Posted 28 February 2013 - 09:05 AM

With Kes out, Hodgson would look a lot better as our 2nd line C than Ebbett :towel:

There's no doubt he will be a very good NHL player one day. Good for him.

It appears that most fans like the trade for Kassian. He has lots of potential, but will probably take longer than Cody to reach it. It's meaningless to compare these players, as their games are totally different.

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Posted 28 February 2013 - 09:07 AM

To get to the other side....
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Posted 28 February 2013 - 09:15 AM

I opened this to see how there were 14 pages of posts in just the first half of today... and then i read the year on the OP and lol'd
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Posted 28 February 2013 - 10:26 AM

Sorry Kass, but this trade just looks awful right about now, really it has since it happened. While hind sight is crystal clear, nothing really unexpected has happened. Everything that has soured this deal was well known before the trade.

We knew Cody was gonna be an offensive force

We knew Kesler was hurting and likely to re-injure

We knew Phalsson wasn't gonna stick around

We knew Kassian struggled with consistency

We knew we lacked scoring from the second line down and on the 2nd PP

No wrench has been thrown in the gears of this team, this current sticky situation was always a possibility.
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Posted 28 February 2013 - 10:49 AM

I still shake my head at that trade.
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Posted 28 February 2013 - 11:00 AM

Cody and his daddy were a pain in the ass, he wanted more ice time, MG spent most his time dealing with Hodgson camp.
He didnt want to be a third line center but thats what he is.

Kassian needs to get back on the first line with the twins and get his confidence back up.

Playing with new linemates every shift isnt helping. I still like the trade even tho Zack has looked lost lately.
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Posted 28 February 2013 - 11:07 AM

ok, i think there is alot more to this deal than meets the eye. first the fact that when mike gillis was asked if cody asked for a trade he said no comment. which would make us think he did. but im sure we all heard cody's interview with james duthie the kid sounded really shocked. meaning most likely he didnt ask for one. rumour is cody's agent and dad pushed for this trade. now people saying he was never going to play before henrik and ryan acting like he is chained to only be a centerman. can he not just play on the second line wing?
sedin sedin burrows
booth kesler hodgson
higgins pahlson hansen

this kid was sopposed to be our future captian when kesler and sedin were gone. nothing against zack kassian i love the kid but i really strongly beleive we could have adressed our toughness issue without trading hodgson like cmon. i would much rather overypay raymond and a 1st for moen or ott.

coach v never liked cody he never liked shirokov he never liked grabner. i have a hard time picturing niklas jensen playing on this team same with schroader. and with kassian i think he is going to be treated like ballard. he is going to make him a healthy scratch in the playoffs only playing him when we have injuries. which would make this trade look extremely bad. cody could have played wing with kesler everyone would have been happy we would have the defence/checking 3rd line. cody hodgson dosn't have one negative thing to his game, he has all the traits to be a great team leader. the truth is we could have adressed our toughness issue without trading cody.
i also think coach v is a terrible coach on an amazing team.
one more thing this trade really worries me for what we can get for schnieder






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Posted 28 February 2013 - 11:12 AM

Cody is playing on the top line in Buffalo (which is in last place in the East), is a minus 4 and has no powerplay points which means he has been on the ice for more goals against then goals for. :towel:
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Posted 28 February 2013 - 11:37 AM

Cody is playing on the top line in Buffalo (which is in last place in the East), is a minus 4 and has no powerplay points which means he has been on the ice for more goals against then goals for. :towel:


You forgot to mention that he's also sits 2nd with points over all, 2nd with even strength points (only one back of Vanek and 6 ahead of Pomminville), leads his team in ES goals, all while playing against other teams top lines and d pairings now, is used more on the PK than the PP (like the Canucks, Sabres swap players around for special teams), has more than double faceoffs draws than the next Sabre with a steadily improving faceoff %, and is a goto guy in any game situation.

The Sabres, as a team, are struggling - their top line, which Hodgson centers, along with their goalie, are the only pieces typically keeping them in games. Their d core has been notably poor, so even while Hodgson (for one example) has actually become much stronger on the defensive side in the last 5-8 games, the -/+ doesn't look so hot.

But then the Canucks have the likes of Kesler and Kassian at -4 too, and that is on a much stronger defensive team. Go figure :towel:
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Posted 28 February 2013 - 12:06 PM

I think it was because Kesler felt threatened.
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Posted 28 February 2013 - 12:10 PM

Sorry Kass, but this trade just looks awful right about now, really it has since it happened. While hind sight is crystal clear, nothing really unexpected has happened. Everything that has soured this deal was well known before the trade.

We knew Cody was gonna be an offensive force

We knew Kesler was hurting and likely to re-injure

We knew Phalsson wasn't gonna stick around

We knew Kassian struggled with consistency

We knew we lacked scoring from the second line down and on the 2nd PP

No wrench has been thrown in the gears of this team, this current sticky situation was always a possibility.


It's sad how lots of the fans can see this but MG can't.

Seems like Kesler runs this team, if our 2nd line center wasn't Kes, Hodgson probably would still be here.

Even if Kassian develops into a top 6 in a couple years how does that help us now? Sedins will be declined a lot by then I'm sure.

I mean atleast keep Kassian in the top 9 to help him develop... they're just screwing with his confidence.

Edited by TheGame., 28 February 2013 - 12:11 PM.

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Posted 28 February 2013 - 07:44 PM

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Posted 28 February 2013 - 07:48 PM

Cody and his daddy were a pain in the ass, he wanted more ice time, MG spent most his time dealing with Hodgson camp.
He didnt want to be a third line center but thats what he is.

Kassian needs to get back on the first line with the twins and get his confidence back up.

Playing with new linemates every shift isnt helping. I still like the trade even tho Zack has looked lost lately.


Gillis is a classless punk who threw Cody under the bus to justify his bad trade.

Cody still has taken the high road and never said anything bad about the Canucks.

As a lifelong Canucks fan I can tell you Gillis is a pain in my ass.
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Posted 28 February 2013 - 08:05 PM

Kind of ironic all this Cody love has re-appeared.

Cody just lost a key draw with 1:30 left in the 3rd, off the draw Campbell blasted one in to tie it 3-3 for Florida.
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Posted 28 February 2013 - 08:14 PM

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Posted 28 February 2013 - 08:17 PM

Gillis hates his arch rival Winters and was reminded on a regular basis just how bad the Gillis .org handled Cody.

Hodgson sits between Sedin and Kovulchuk in the scoring race.

It is what it is and that ain`t ever gonna change.

Vancouver is stuck with no 2c,3c or 4c that scores and Cody is lighting it up.
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Posted 28 February 2013 - 08:18 PM

Gillis all class,just lose a couple of letters for accuracy.
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Posted 28 February 2013 - 09:10 PM

:rolleyes:

The future captain of this team according to WHO, exactly? You? Fans? Here's a scoop........neither you or the fans of this team pick any captains, future or otherwise. A lot of people here are guilty of putting the horse before the Cody cart........and by the way, capitalizing the beginning of your sentences & player names, proper punctuation etc., would make your drivel here a tad more readable.......

Not to mention that this could have gone in any of the Cody threads that are already in existence.


you didn't tackel the real argument he made at all, i dont know why people upvoted your post
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Posted 28 February 2013 - 09:15 PM

Kind of ironic all this Cody love has re-appeared.

Cody just lost a key draw with 1:30 left in the 3rd, off the draw Campbell blasted one in to tie it 3-3 for Florida.


Oh well. Gotta put youngsters in situations where they might lose if they are to learn anything.

If AV wasn't so short sighted to gun for the President's Trophy every year we might have a more balance and rested team going into playoffs.
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Untouchables: Tanev, Jensen, Kassian
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Drive to airport: Bieksa, Edler

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Posted 28 February 2013 - 09:15 PM

Still hate this trade like crazy. Buffalo won it, hands down.

Hodgson is a frontline player having a great season.
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Posted 28 February 2013 - 09:31 PM

It hurts to think of the lineup we could very easily have if not for some particularly bad moves. Something along the lines of...

Sedin-Sedin-Burr
Booth-Hodgson-Kes
Raymond-Schroeder-Hansen
Higgins-Lappiere-Torres

Still have an extra goalie to make a move for a top winger or D-man. That's a contender, and a team that's far more resilient to unexpected injuries.
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Posted 28 February 2013 - 09:33 PM

He broke the chain of command...he went outside the unit...
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