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Poll: Is Pahlsson just another dud? (149 member(s) have cast votes)

Is Pahlsson just another dud?

  1. Yes, he's past his prime and will disappoint us fans immensely. (4 votes [2.88%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 2.88%

  2. Voted No, he just needs to regain his old form on a good team. (111 votes [79.86%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 79.86%

  3. Voted Not sure. But if he is a dud, and Coho lights it up, I'm gonna cry. (24 votes [17.27%] - View)

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#1 jonnycanuck46

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Posted 28 February 2012 - 11:01 AM

Just something I am worried about:

Gillis has been known to pick up players past their prime: (Sundin, demitra, Sturm, all the tryouts, now Pahlsson)

This guy has 2 goals this season. Marco Sturm has scored as many goals as he has. And on a crap team like Columbus, Sammy should have had a more important role. If he can't score where he is much more valuable, what make MG think he can now.

All I know is that all the TSN/Sportsnet/ESPN guys were talking about how this guy is well past his prime, and they are skeptical of whether he even does anything.

I feel we could have gotton a Moen/Ott type guy for a couple 2nd's and Ellington. That to me would have been a better use of our $$$. Pahlsson is not even worth a conditional pick, nevermind two 4th's AND Ellington!

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Posted 28 February 2012 - 11:05 AM

No. Sturm has been injured seriouely a couple time while Pahlsson is relatively healthy in comparison.
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Posted 28 February 2012 - 11:09 AM

well if pahllsons' a bust we can always trade him to florida in the off season for another great player like booth:O)

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Posted 28 February 2012 - 11:11 AM

The guy isnt here for scoring.

Pahlsson is the guy CBJ sends outvs the Sedins. He is Manny Malhotra 2.0.

CBJ replaced Manny with Pahlsson.

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Posted 28 February 2012 - 11:19 AM

Pahlsson shut the Sedins down when we faced Anaheim years ago. I believe he was in the rumblings of a Conn Smythe too

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Posted 28 February 2012 - 11:23 AM

Pahlsson shut the Sedins down when we faced Anaheim years ago. I believe he was in the rumblings of a Conn Smythe too


This. That is all. He is a shut down player made for the 3rd or 4th line. Better to have shut down guys than a third scoring line.
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Posted 28 February 2012 - 11:30 AM

Are you kidding me? Not every player in the league is a scorer.

Pahlsson is a defensive specialist. He is what Manny Malhotra WAS last year before the eye injury. He almost won the Conn Smythe in 2007. He will be used to shut down top lines of Detroit, San Jose, St. Louis and Boston.

Please don't ever compare him to a player like 'Sturm'. It just makes you look stupid.

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Posted 28 February 2012 - 11:34 AM

Do you even watch hockey?

I would assume a real hockey fan would tune into at least the Stanley Cup Final, Pahlsson was an absolute force in 2007.

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Posted 28 February 2012 - 11:35 AM

i love sami pahlsson.....what he has left, i don't know, but he gives us more depth for the playoff run...he has made his living as a shut down specialist, but he can skate and has some offensive skills....good pick up.

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Posted 28 February 2012 - 11:53 AM

No sami pahlsson won't be a bust for the reason he was brought here. He is here to provide shut down checking and kind of be the player malhotra was last season. That being said I don't think bringing in another checking center has improved our third line.
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Posted 28 February 2012 - 11:58 AM

Are you kidding me? Not every player in the league is a scorer.

Pahlsson is a defensive specialist. He is what Manny Malhotra WAS last year before the eye injury. He almost won the Conn Smythe in 2007. He will be used to shut down top lines of Detroit, San Jose, St. Louis and Boston.

Please don't ever compare him to a player like 'Sturm'. It just makes you look stupid.


Marco Sturm was a really solid offensive player that could score 20 plus goals, the problem was he was past his prime and was too old for the canucks line up. The same could apply to Pahlsson, although he is a premier shut down center and yes did contend for the conn smyth, that was five years ago. The question here is what if Sami Pahlsson is past his prime and doesn't have enough left to help the significantly help the canucks line up.
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Posted 28 February 2012 - 12:00 PM

Another silly thread from a fan that does not actually watch hockey. <_<
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Posted 28 February 2012 - 12:02 PM

Pahlsson was a -6 on a very bad Columbus team..He has been on a "rebuilding" Columbus team for 3 years now. Once he gets settled as a Canuck he will flourish.

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Posted 28 February 2012 - 12:04 PM

Pahlsson is just another Malhotra.

Don't know if you know this....but thats kinda a good thing..
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I think Columbus would move him for significantly less than Raymond.

I think you could get him for a B-Level prospect (Yann Sauve) or maybe NYI 4th + Vancouver 4th.

Pahlson was actually Malhotras replacement in Columbus (you could even argue Pahlson > Malhotra).


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Posted 28 February 2012 - 12:06 PM

Do you even watch hockey?

I would assume a real hockey fan would tune into at least the Stanley Cup Final, Pahlsson was an absolute force in 2007.


Let me ask you, if you even watch hockey.Sturm scored 27 goals in 2007 and was on pace for over 30 and was a offensive threat. Marco sturm did the same in 2008 and scored over 20 goals in 2010., but guess what he is no longer able to play at the NHL level.Pahlsson was a huge reason the ducks won in 2007 and was a solid shut down center for the seasons following 2007, but does he have the ability to play at that level once again. Pahlsson isn't here to be an alright win faceoffs semi shut down guy. He is here to replicate his play in the 2007 playoffs.
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Posted 28 February 2012 - 12:07 PM

Another silly thread from a fan that does not actually watch hockey. <_<


Don't think so. Question was can a very good player in past still deliver. Sturm couldn't anymore.

But we don't have to pay the full 2.5 mio like we did for Sturm:

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Posted 28 February 2012 - 12:08 PM

Marco Sturm was a really solid offensive player that could score 20 plus goals, the problem was he was past his prime and was too old for the canucks line up. The same could apply to Pahlsson, although he is a premier shut down center and yes did contend for the conn smyth, that was five years ago. The question here is what if Sami Pahlsson is past his prime and doesn't have enough left to help the significantly help the canucks line up.


He has the lowest offensive zone start % on CBJ, moves the puck into the offensive zone efficiently (14% more offensive finishes than starts), his on ice save % is .929 (on a team with Mason).

Hes doing things like that in Columbus. I would think those numbers would trend positively in Vancouver.
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I think Columbus would move him for significantly less than Raymond.

I think you could get him for a B-Level prospect (Yann Sauve) or maybe NYI 4th + Vancouver 4th.

Pahlson was actually Malhotras replacement in Columbus (you could even argue Pahlson > Malhotra).


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Posted 28 February 2012 - 12:12 PM

Are you kidding me? Not every player in the league is a scorer.

Pahlsson is a defensive specialist. He is what Manny Malhotra WAS last year before the eye injury. He almost won the Conn Smythe in 2007. He will be used to shut down top lines of Detroit, San Jose, St. Louis and Boston.

Please don't ever compare him to a player like 'Sturm'. It just makes you look stupid.


Exactly. People never seem to be able to understand that, especially on CDC. Different players have different roles, it's as simple as that.
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Posted 28 February 2012 - 12:15 PM

In short. No.
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Posted 28 February 2012 - 12:18 PM

Third line face-off numbers will improve with Pahlsson.

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Posted 28 February 2012 - 12:22 PM

This guy has 2 goals this season. Marco Sturm has scored as many goals as he has. And on a crap team like Columbus, Sammy should have had a more important role. If he can't score where he is much more valuable, what make MG think he can now.


Another way to look at it is that Columbus might be such a crap team precisely because they are not using their assets correctly.

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Posted 28 February 2012 - 12:23 PM

Fail by the OP.

pahlsson is brought in to prevent goals, not to score them. Not everything works in goals and assists as Americans would want you to believe.

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Posted 28 February 2012 - 12:33 PM

Do you even watch hockey?

I would assume a real hockey fan would tune into at least the Stanley Cup Final, Pahlsson was an absolute force in 2007.


I used to be young in 2007.....lol...it is funny to hear ppl kept saying what happened in 2007....Bobby Orr used to be great too, let get him now! haah

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Posted 28 February 2012 - 01:05 PM

Pahlsson isn't horrible.. but people have been bagging on Manny this year and Manny has been better or as good in every facet (more points, about the same in face-offs, +/- is fairly close ignoring teams as both checking lines should be against top forwards) so I would not be surprised to see him on the 4th line behind Manny.

He's going to fill a role much better than Sturm did, but they are cut from the same ilk in that time could have passed them by, only time (hur hur) will tell for certain.

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Posted 28 February 2012 - 01:14 PM

Sundin groomed Kesler into the 2nd line centerman that he is now. Demitra was a very serviceable player here. Sturm eventually turned into Booth. Tryouts are tryouts, so if we didn't sign them, it doesn't matter.

Pahlsson will help prevent goals and allow Kesler to focus more on the offensive side of the game. Kesler was a dominant offensive force when Manny last year was our 3rd line center. Manny has not been the same since his eye injury, so hopefully Pahlsson can fill that role.
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Posted 28 February 2012 - 01:17 PM

Pahlsson isn't horrible.. but people have been bagging on Manny this year and Manny has been better or as good in every facet (more points, about the same in face-offs, +/- is fairly close ignoring teams as both checking lines should be against top forwards) so I would not be surprised to see him on the 4th line behind Manny.

He's going to fill a role much better than Sturm did, but they are cut from the same ilk in that time could have passed them by, only time (hur hur) will tell for certain.


I think it's hard to compare Manny this year to last year. He was used in a bigger role last year against better opposition. He's doing a good job on the 4th line, but at 2.5 million, he's hurting our team more than benefitting. I don't know if we can afford to carry him next year at his cap hit if he continues to be a 4th liner.
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Posted 28 February 2012 - 01:17 PM

Pahlsson is a great defenceman. He's 6'5 and can slap it at 79 MPH. what are you complaining about?

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Posted 28 February 2012 - 01:34 PM

where to start?
the examples you choose of his worst signings are even bad examples
Demitra was a great player and a class act - in his first season as a Canuck he had a 20 goal - 53 point season in 69 games - his next year he suffered an injury - hardly a bust of a signing.
Sturm also cost nothing - was a good risk to take - Florida wanted him and Gillis turned him into a trade chip. What more do you want?

If you were actually listening to the Sportsnet commentators etc you would also have heard some guys raving about Pahlsson - Mayday for example, who played with him - you would have also heard McSorley making a few points about what it is like to be a shut-down guy on a god-awful team. Pahlsson is another excellent risk to take - not a whole lot to potentially lose, a whole lot to potentially gain.

You apparently have very little idea of what type of player Pahlsson is (referring to scoring) - so aren't really in a position to be questioning MG's reasoning - not to mention that Ott would have cost a lot more than Pahlsson - I would much rather have Pahlsson for a forgettable price - than a loose cannon like Ott for Raymond and a first as everyone was lobbying for - that would have been a horrible deal.

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Posted 28 February 2012 - 01:37 PM

Pahlsson is just another Malhotra.

Don't know if you know this....but thats kinda a good thing..


Yeah but...

Pahlsson > Malhotra

Atleast from his past experiances.

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Posted 28 February 2012 - 01:38 PM

Just something I am worried about:

Gillis has been known to pick up players past their prime: (Sundin, demitra, Sturm, all the tryouts, now Pahlsson)

This guy has 2 goals this season. Marco Sturm has scored as many goals as he has. And on a crap team like Columbus, Sammy should have had a more important role. If he can't score where he is much more valuable, what make MG think he can now.

All I know is that all the TSN/Sportsnet/ESPN guys were talking about how this guy is well past his prime, and they are skeptical of whether he even does anything.

I feel we could have gotton a Moen/Ott type guy for a couple 2nd's and Ellington. That to me would have been a better use of our $$$. Pahlsson is not even worth a conditional pick, nevermind two 4th's AND Ellington!

Thoughts?

PS: As much as we are all pissed about the SIGNIFICANT downgrade this TD, lets not talk about our Golden boy anymore, because we need to move on. (somehow)


You know what the problem is though? Ott wasn't going to be moved unless they got a GREAT deal as stated for the entire duration of the TDL coverage on TSN/SNET.

Moen wasn't going to be moved. They stated it. TSN just kept showing Moen on the screen because they lacked material this year. The GM already stated they wanted to keep Moen.

Pahlsson is a true shutdown forward. He isn't about points.

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