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#31 smithers joe

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Posted 02 March 2012 - 12:28 PM

apparently edmonton is interested in getting schneider.....ist pick and eberle....probably won't trade within our division.

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Posted 02 March 2012 - 01:24 PM

apparently edmonton is interested in getting schneider.....ist pick and eberle....probably won't trade within our division.


Eberle is worth more than Schneider, nevermind the pick.

He's on pace for about 80 points as a sophomore and even on a loser team his clutchness is showing. Tambo would be stupid to move him - the future of the franchise (along with Hall & RNH).

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Posted 02 March 2012 - 02:28 PM

Tampa is in desperation for a goaltender and having Stamkos+Schneider would be the back-bone of their organization for yearsssss to come...Im already drooling. There are many more teams that will have significant interest too, which will force a team to overpay. Draftday will be more like "Cory Schneider auction day" and for the Canucks it will be like going to the bank cashing in a big cheque. PAYDAY!!!!!!!!

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Posted 02 March 2012 - 02:51 PM

Tampa is in desperation for a goaltender and having Stamkos+Schneider would be the back-bone of their organization for yearsssss to come...Im already drooling. There are many more teams that will have significant interest too, which will force a team to overpay. Draftday will be more like "Cory Schneider auction day" and for the Canucks it will be like going to the bank cashing in a big cheque. PAYDAY!!!!!!!!


And can you imagine what 3 first rounders would do for us? :bigblush:
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Posted 02 March 2012 - 07:35 PM

Screw their 2 first rounders.. Connolly and their top pick or no Schnieder.

I wouldn't be surprised if gillis decided to go with Schnieder in the end of this.. Lu's ntc will be easily lifted if he's playing behind the kid

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Posted 02 March 2012 - 09:36 PM

A better question... how much is Schneider worth with a cup ring on his finger?


About as much as Garon?

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Posted 02 March 2012 - 09:41 PM

About as much as Garon?


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Probably Connolly + Hedman

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Posted 02 March 2012 - 10:06 PM

Unless Gillis is blown away, Im going to call Schneider getting resigned

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Posted 02 March 2012 - 10:29 PM

Probably Connolly + Hedman

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I'd agree with this. Whether or not Gillis can get TB to dance is another question.

My meaning is that Schneider will likely (hopefully) get little to no game time and therefore a ring on his finger as a back-up will not really be worth that much, kind of like Garon's ring. On the other hand, if Schneider was the guy who actually won the 16 games needed to win the Cup, then that would drive up his price.

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Posted 02 March 2012 - 10:55 PM

There's no way I'd make the second trade. If Bogosian has that big of a price on his head, I'm out.


So basicly your saying.

Schnieder and Ballard for Bogosian and a 2nd.

No Way, Schnieder is way more valueble than Bogosian and im sure there are alot of teams who would trade a 2nd for Ballard.

Also Im surpirsed Hedmen hasnt been Mentioned in this thread. Although I havent read all of it yet.

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Posted 02 March 2012 - 10:56 PM

This offseason, (assuming we DONT win this year)

- salo probably wont retire, but would sign at maybe $1m
- trade Raymond/2nd together because raymond himself is garbage...maybe trade to MTL for Pacioretty?
- trade Ballard for possibly any picks
- probably not resign Manny

That would free up 7-8million.

Then sign Weber to a long term deal about $6m per.

Sedins - Burrows
Booth - Kesler - Higgins
Pacioretty - Schroeder - Hansen
Kassian - Pahlsson - Lappy

Edler - Weber
Hammer - Juice
Grangnani - Salo
Tanev

Lu
Lack

That's pretty awesome.


If you could pull this Off I would make sure you get a ring when we win.

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Posted 03 March 2012 - 12:38 AM

Why do so many people in CDC think that Manny is a FA this summer?

Well he is not and he is a pretty big role player on this team, especially by being one of the leaders in the locker room and solid in the face-off circle.
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Posted 03 March 2012 - 10:59 AM

A better question... how much is Schneider worth with a cup ring on his finger?


Well depends on if he has anything to do with the Cup win? If Luongo is lights out for 4 rounds, why would Schneider's value go up?

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Posted 03 March 2012 - 11:14 AM

Well depends on if he has anything to do with the Cup win? If Luongo is lights out for 4 rounds, why would Schneider's value go up?


Experience. Leadership.

How many other future #1's (Bernier, Harding, Markstrom, etc etc) can say they got to go deep in the playoffs and win the Cup? Plus if Luongo is lights out for 4 rounds and Schneider is his back up... Don't you think that would add something to Schneider's value? Backing up the best goaltender in the league?

Going deep in playoffs (as Schneider has already done once) brings alot of intangibles alot of teams would love their goalies to have.

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Posted 03 March 2012 - 12:41 PM

I think we should use Cory just like we have been this season.. Give him maybe a game in each round? Like if we win the first 2 home games with Lu playing lights out, play Cory in the first away game anyways. It could save us from potential meltdowns and keep Lu fresh for the long run... It's not like it's a risky move as we're very confident with schniederman in net. Also he's a major reason we've been so successful the past 2 years and the biggest reason luongo is well rested and prepared for the run. so in my mind the kid deserves to be a part of this cup run.

Imagin his value if he is used that way.. He'd be the most properly developed goalie of all time if we won the cup. 2 seasons behind the best in the world playing a decent amount of games. Winning bigger games against the best in the league in his second season. Then a second playoff run getting to start a game in each round... Talk about preparing a kid to be an allstar.

On the other hand if it works and we win the cup maybe he can be convinced to resign for a couple seasons with him getting more games each year and we could have a dynasty on our hands... 8mill in goaltenders is kinda crazy, I know but if we're still dominating the league who cares?

The last bit would probably never happen but if he's played fairly through the playoffs and it results in a cup, the kid might just consider it


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Posted 03 March 2012 - 01:05 PM

Experience. Leadership.

How many other future #1's (Bernier, Harding, Markstrom, etc etc) can say they got to go deep in the playoffs and win the Cup? Plus if Luongo is lights out for 4 rounds and Schneider is his back up... Don't you think that would add something to Schneider's value? Backing up the best goaltender in the league?

Going deep in playoffs (as Schneider has already done once) brings alot of intangibles alot of teams would love their goalies to have.


I completely understand. I have no clue, but how does that work at the bargaining table with another GM?

"This top prospect is actually a starting goaltender, but is also really good at sitting on the bench...". This league is all about "what have you done for me lately" and even if Schneider has all these intangibles, putting up WINS is what's key. Not saying he can't, just might not get the opportunity (hypothetically if Luongo is lights out).

HOPEFULLY, other GMs will see the value he actually has, but I doubt he'll get the value that he has to the Canucks.

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Posted 03 March 2012 - 01:09 PM

I think we should use Cory just like we have been this season.. Give him maybe a game in each round? Like if we win the first 2 home games with Lu playing lights out, play Cory in the first away game anyways. It could save us from potential meltdowns and keep Lu fresh for the long run... It's not like it's a risky move as we're very confident with schniederman in net. Also he's a major reason we've been so successful the past 2 years and the biggest reason luongo is well rested and prepared for the run. so in my mind the kid deserves to be a part of this cup run.

Imagin his value if he is used that way.. He'd be the most properly developed goalie of all time if we won the cup. 2 seasons behind the best in the world playing a decent amount of games. Winning bigger games against the best in the league in his second season. Then a second playoff run getting to start a game in each round... Talk about preparing a kid to be an allstar.

On the other hand if it works and we win the cup maybe he can be convinced to resign for a couple seasons with him getting more games each year and we could have a dynasty on our hands... 8mill in goaltenders is kinda crazy, I know but if we're still dominating the league who cares?

The last bit would probably never happen but if he's played fairly through the playoffs and it results in a cup, the kid might just consider it


I don't know much about goaltending but isn't "getting into a groove or rhythm" really important for goalies? How would Luongo handle this? I recognize the shared time Luongo/Schneider has in the regular season, but the Stanley Cup Playoffs are a different beast. If I recall correctly, Schneider only played in last year's playoffs when Luongo faltered.

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Posted 03 March 2012 - 01:36 PM

This offseason, (assuming we DONT win this year)

- salo probably wont retire, but would sign at maybe $1m
- trade Raymond/2nd together because raymond himself is garbage...maybe trade to MTL for Pacioretty?
- trade Ballard for possibly any picks
- probably not resign Manny

That would free up 7-8million.

Then sign Weber to a long term deal about $6m per.

Sedins - Burrows
Booth - Kesler - Higgins
Pacioretty - Schroeder - Hansen
Kassian - Pahlsson - Lappy

Edler - Weber
Hammer - Juice
Grangnani - Salo
Tanev

Lu
Lack

That's pretty awesome.


if this were to happen I would be more interested in trying to sign Parise, does anyone remember how well Kesler and Parise played in the Olympics together.
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Posted 03 March 2012 - 01:44 PM

I hadn't really been thinking about this too much but recently I read a blog by Ian Esplen seen here:

http://www.hockeybuz...p?post_id=42494

Essentially, for those of you who don't care to follow the link and read it, he goes on to explain that both Columbus and Tampa have acquired a second first round pick heading into this years draft. These two teams are both in desperate need of a goaltender and in the case of the Blue Jackets, they likely even had a shot at one in Bernier when making the deal with the Kings. This suggests that they are truly fixed on someone else to fix their problem. Perhaps it's our Cory Schneider?

Undoubtedly there is going to be a market for Schneider and the price is not going to be cheap. What I want to know is this:

1) Would you be satisfied (or even excited) if CS was traded for a pair of first rounders (at least one of which being a top ten)?

and

2) What exactly would you like to see as far as a return from him if not picks?


I would not be in favour of trading Schneider for picks. I would prefer Gillis to target a specific need. It would be a different story if, for example, Tampa Bay is on the clock with their first round selection, and Gillis covets a player that could be taken with that pick. But I doubt their is an 18-year old out there who would qualify.

Through the Hodgson trade, Gillis satisfied our need for a power forward. I believe our greatest need is now a long-term replacement for Sami Salo. We need a top-4 defenseman for the right side. And this team demands a lot from its top-4. They need to be mobile, all-around defenseman, who are good in both ends of the rink and in all situations.

Of course, Chris Tanev could be that guy. But I'm skeptical about his ceiling. He is too light (185 pounds) to be a shut-down guy, and he has not yet shown the ability to replace Salo's production. I would be happy to be proven wrong.

So I'm hoping Schneider returns a right-side defenseman. I'm not sure who out there could replace Salo. But I didn't know about Kassian either.

EDIT: of course, there's Weber. If Gillis expects Weber to be a Canuck by July 2013, then he should do his best to convince Salo to re-sign for one more year. If so, a young forward would be appreciated.

Edited by Mookie Wilson, 03 March 2012 - 01:47 PM.


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Posted 03 March 2012 - 01:46 PM

I don't know much about goaltending but isn't "getting into a groove or rhythm" really important for goalies? How would Luongo handle this? I recognize the shared time Luongo/Schneider has in the regular season, but the Stanley Cup Playoffs are a different beast. If I recall correctly, Schneider only played in last year's playoffs when Luongo faltered.


I get what your saying but they've shared the ice all season and were seeing the best Lu since 2007.. I think Lu's heads a little more in check this year. He seems alot more humble than years past..

were not in the position of some Teams in the past that are riding the hot hand. We have 2 lights out goalies that could each start the run if needed to..

I really don't the rythem is the issue as theyve been preparing to play this way all season and each time its worked out.. Last year we played this way and gave Lu the full driver seat and we witnessed 2 meltdowns.. I say we shake it up this year and give the kid some games. It's not a risk to the team and Cory has Definately earned it

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Posted 03 March 2012 - 03:06 PM

I get what your saying but they've shared the ice all season and were seeing the best Lu since 2007.. I think Lu's heads a little more in check this year. He seems alot more humble than years past..

were not in the position of some Teams in the past that are riding the hot hand. We have 2 lights out goalies that could each start the run if needed to..

I really don't the rythem is the issue as theyve been preparing to play this way all season and each time its worked out.. Last year we played this way and gave Lu the full driver seat and we witnessed 2 meltdowns.. I say we shake it up this year and give the kid some games. It's not a risk to the team and Cory has Definately earned it


I think he has earned the right to play multiple games in the first 2 rounds beyond that we have to give the steering wheel to Luo
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Posted 03 March 2012 - 03:42 PM

MG would probably want 2 first round picks , top d-man or solid forward so if tampa wanted shneids they would have to give up:


To Vancouver: 1st round pick, Connolly, Hedman or detroit 1st rounder 2 first rounders and a player is a pretty good deal we could ask for more if we wanted.


They would be okay with giving a first rounder or 2 im guessing but two of they're top future players unlikely but Mike would have to be forceful and tell them to decide between hedman or connolly going with the 2 picks.
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Posted 03 March 2012 - 06:36 PM

In any case, the Varlamov deal would have to be the starting point.
1) yes I would be happy with 2 first round picks if 1 of them was a top 10, and this would be the ideal situation if the nucks win the cup. 4-5 years down the line we will need to have a change in some of our core, and if we are truly trying to go the Detroit route, getting them now so we have timeto properly develop them.
2) can not think of a name on the top of my head, but ideally a young top 4 defenseman who shoots right who can be deployed on our PP


cough cough... Shea Weber?
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Posted 04 March 2012 - 07:14 AM

I believe the cup would have been Vancouvers last year if Schnider had of started game 6. What would be the harm, Louie could not win in Boston for what ever reason, game 7 I understand but game 6 let Schinder try, if he wins you the game then you look like a genious, if he looses the you play game 7 with a rested allstar goalie.
So, this year, if we get up in a series I'd give Schnider a game, like game 5 if we're up 3-1 or game 6 if we're up 3-2. It would be no risk all reward.

In all reality the team makes more money for every game played in the post season, I know you don't loose intentionally in the playoffs but teaching someone is a different story.

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Posted 04 March 2012 - 04:12 PM

I would not be happy with just picks for Schneider. If I were GMMG I would be looking at acquiring a 1st round pick (top 15), top 4 defenseman, and a top 6 forward or a very solid prospect.


Picks aside, Schneider, Ballard & Alberts to Philadelphia for Bobrovsky & Coburn.

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Posted 04 March 2012 - 04:17 PM

So I'm hoping Schneider returns a right-side defenseman. I'm not sure who out there could replace Salo. But I didn't know about Kassian either.

EDIT: of course, there's Weber. If Gillis expects Weber to be a Canuck by July 2013, then he should do his best to convince Salo to re-sign for one more year. If so, a young forward would be appreciated.


While Ehrhoff's offence from the left side will be missed, another offensive-minded blueliner isn't necessarily what the Canucks need to replace Salo. I'd be happy with a physical right-handed D to pair with Edler, who is more than capable of contributing at both ends. Cory Sarich will be a UFA this summer and would fit the bill perfectly.

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Posted 04 March 2012 - 05:13 PM

Personally, i'd offer Schneids one more year. Take it, or leave it. But i don't see that happening, so we might as well get the most bang for our buck. I wouldn't be making any major changes because the reality is, Burrows and Edler are gonna need raises. Personally, i don't wanna lose them. We don't NEED other draft picks from other teams, we've still got Jensen and Schroeder who know doubt could be solid for us. If we spend to the cap, make sure we're getting them only for a year. We're not gonna get rid of Ballard, so get used to seeing him. He's not that bad and seems to be coming into decent form (aside from the injury).

In all honesty, the only way we're gonna get rid of Ballard is through a buy out. Is it worth it? We're not gonna get Weber this summer, but it could be possible next summer.

So with all that said and done, we look like this.


CAPGEEK.COM CAP CALCULATOR

FORWARDS
Daniel Sedin ($6.100m) / Henrik Sedin ($6.100m) / Alexandre Burrows ($2.000m)
David Booth ($4.250m) / Ryan Kesler ($5.000m) / Zack Kassian ($0.870m)
Chris Higgins ($1.900m) / Manny Malhotra ($2.500m) / Jannik Hansen ($1.350m)
Maxim Lapierre ($1.000m)

DEFENSEMEN
Kevin Bieksa ($4.600m) / Dan Hamhuis ($4.500m)
Marc-Andre Gragnani ($0.550m) / Alexander Edler ($3.250m)
/ Chris Tanev ($0.900m)

GOALTENDERS
Roberto Luongo ($5.333m) / Eddie Lack ($0.900m)

BUYOUTS: Keith Ballard ($1.400m)

CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled using the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $64,300,000; CAP PAYROLL: $52,503,333; BONUSES: $0
CAP SPACE (17-man roster): $11,796,667



Almost 12 Million to spend on 3 players, no need to spend it all. We're gonna need that money in the next off-season. I'm not sure where to start, but i wouldn't spend just for the sake of spending. Like everybody else, I really do think Weber is the guy we need to move forward.

For the sake of filling in roster spots, this is what i'd do.

- Sign Brandon Prust at a cap hit of 1.6.
- Trade Cory Schneider to New Jersey in exchange for Adam Henrique and a 2nd. (doubt Jersey would do it, oh well)
- Resign Salo for 1 million.

And we look like this;



CAPGEEK.COM CAP CALCULATOR

FORWARDS
Daniel Sedin ($6.100m) / Henrik Sedin ($6.100m) / Alexandre Burrows ($2.000m)
David Booth ($4.250m) / Ryan Kesler ($5.000m) / Zack Kassian ($0.870m)
Chris Higgins ($1.900m) / Adam Henrique ($0.854m) / Jannik Hansen ($1.350m)
Maxim Lapierre ($1.000m) / Manny Malhotra ($2.500m) / Brandon Prust ($1.400m)

DEFENSEMEN
Kevin Bieksa ($4.600m) / Dan Hamhuis ($4.500m)
Marc-Andre Gragnani ($0.550m) / Alexander Edler ($3.250m)
Sami Salo ($1.500m) / Chris Tanev ($0.900m)
Andrew Alberts ($1.225m)

GOALTENDERS
Roberto Luongo ($5.333m) / Eddie Lack ($0.900m)

BUYOUTS: Keith Ballard ($1.400m)

CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled using the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $64,300,000; CAP PAYROLL: $57,482,499; BONUSES: $262,500
CAP SPACE (21-man roster): $7,080,001

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Posted 04 March 2012 - 06:48 PM

CONSIDERING HODGESON IS GONE, AND EVERYONE IS MAKING A BIG STINK. WE HAVE SCHNIEDER IN THE BANK TO TRADE FOR A POTENITAL YOUNG UP AND COMING STAR. NOT SURE IF OPPOSING TEAMS WOULD DO THIS BUT GUYS LIKE GUDBRANSON, ELLERBY, BRETT CONNELLY, GNORMLEY

OR TRY TO PACKAGE SCHNIEDER + RAYMONDS RIGHTS (IF WORTH ANYTHING)


No need to yell about it.
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Posted 04 March 2012 - 07:21 PM

Wow, people still think we will get rid of Ballard. The only way he gets traded is if Gillis has a ace in his back pocket to play. Like Suter, Weber or any other clear cut #1-#2 guy out there. Unless that happens Ballard is staying put; period.....

Now as for Manny. He is signed until the end of next season. Plus he has a Limited NTC. So I think he will most likely stay put and help whoever our next center protege is.

As for Raymond; if a team offers him over I think 1.4m - 1.7m (compensation numbers are being guessed withabout an 8.5% increase over last year)we would be getting a second rounder in return because he is a RFA. Saying that if someone offers him under 2m Gillis will probably match the offer. Com'on Raymond for under 2m is decent although I would love the pick. If the offersheet is for more than 2m he is gone and on top of that if some team was to offer him something like 3.5m we would get a 1st and a 3rd; but I doubt that's going to happen.

Now to Schneider. I would love to see GMMG be able to keep this guy around; but I don't see it in the cards. We are better off trading him before july 1st; because I could see a team come in and offer just enough over so they only give up a 1st and a 3rd. you would have to look at the last goalie in Halak who was going to be RFA and showed great promise. He got 3.75m. Which is not enough to get more than what I mentioned above. So we have to look at teams who are going to actively be looking for a goalie in the offseason.

Possible trading partners

Edmonton
Toronto
Columbus
New York Islanders
Tampa Bay
New Jersey

There could be other teams after the 1st round of the playoffs are over who you may add to this list that feel they need an upgrade; but they would probably not have the spare picks and assets to make a deal. So with these teams in mind who could make us the best offer?

Edmonton: 1- 1st / 1- 2nd / 1- 3rd
Sam Ganger
Jordan Eberle

Toronto: 1- 1st / 1- 2nd
Cody Franson
Jake Gardiner
Nazim Kadri
Joe Colbourne
Carter Ashton

Columbus: 2- 1st / 2- 2nd / 1- 3rd
Ryan Johansen

NYI: 1- 1st / 1-2nd / 1-3rd
No RFA's or prospect worth looking at

Tampa: 2-1st / 4-2nd / 1-3rd
Brett Connolly
Ted Purcell

NJ: 1-1st / 1-2nd / 1-3rd
Adam Henrique
Adam Larsson

If I where to look for prospects along with a 1st it would have to be Toronto because of the defencman we could get. Although if Edmonton was to offer Eberle and a 1st and second for Schneider and a 1st I would do this instead.

But if it was me I would take Columbus's two 1st if L.A. is unable to make the playoffs (wow that would be two lottery picks). If L.A. makes the playoffs I would take Tampas loterry pick and there first three picks in round #2.

I know there are some other great secnerios here; but these are my favorites.

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Posted 04 March 2012 - 11:45 PM

rumour had it Gillis was asking for hedman from tampa for Schneids..

Gillis wants an nhl ready player to step in.

options:

1) Tampa- Brett Connolly & 1st round pick

2) New Jersey- Adam Larsen

3) Columbus- Ryan Johansen & 1st or 2nd round pick

Yes some of you may think these trades are way too much and unrealistic but Schneider is ready for prime time.
He is heralded and praised by all the hockey minds as the best backup in the nhl and yes better than rask

He has also been seasoned for a couple of years in the nhl now while guys like Larsen, Johansen & connolly have only played one season. Theres a reason why Tampa is loading up on these picks and why Columbus didnt want bernier. Everybody wants Schneids and scouts from teams know he's the real deal now!

Personally i'd go for Ryan Johansen & a pick. BC BOY- This guy is going to be the next getzlaf and is a true playmaker with size that can learn the game on the 3rd line like Jordan staal did. It'd suck to face schneids in the west but we get a future star ourselves.

Edited by tonimator#19, 04 March 2012 - 11:49 PM.





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